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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Excellent analysis of today's episode Abhay .

I have nothing more to add , you have said it all so beautifully .

I am seeing Jodha's own motherly feelings coming to the fore . This is helping her see the pain in the grieving and dying Mahamanga . She realizes that despite her horrendous actions towards Jalal , the motherly part in her still does love the infant prince Jalal that she had raised . It was the same motherly feelings for her biological child that pushed her to conspire against the son that she had nursed. The Creatives have done an awesome job showcasing the feelings of motherly love and bond , accompanied by sensitive , meaningful dialogues .
PARIDHI SHARMA WAS OUTSTANDING TODAY .👏 👏 👏 👏 . Cannot wait to see the interaction between Jalal and badi ammi tomorrow, when he will give her a teary send off .


As an afterthought , I am going to add these lines :

The feelings of 'mamta' that have risen in Jodha today are going to get stronger and help her rethink her decision of agreeing to part with one of the twins .

Rukaiyya may angrily question Jalal of his decision on agreeing with Jodha's request to meet with Mahamamga one last time , thereby fueling the existing suspicion in his mind about her sudden interest in Jodha's welfare .



Charu.



Nicely summed up Charu..PS was superb yesterday, and today we are going to witness another stellar performance by our leads..

The Ruqs track has been steadily picking up...The seeds of suspicion have been sown in the mind of Jodha, just need some watering + manure. 😉

The Creatives are rocking this week..😊


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Posted: 11 years ago

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I liked this Episode a lot. It was ALL i could DEMAND from the CV's in context of Jo-Ja..
So, it was REVERSE psychology by Jodha, in Play today...I liked the Dialogues of both Jodha-Jalal...Both made sense...

Jodha was MUTE before MA..
Jalal was MUTE before Jodha..
Yet, both were speaking CLEARLY by their Eyes..Jodha acted as a LINK between Jalal and MA.!!. She was a LINK between a mother and her Son..

I was thinking, would Jalal be able to forgive himself, had he NOT been able to see his Foster Mother before her death once.?. As far as i have understood the REEL Jalal, no matter how much he hates his enemy, BUT the CANDLE of "humanity" Kindles in HIM...When he can show humane behavior with his enemy after wars(like Paronkh), then yeh to uski Badi Ammi hai...!!!!.

No doubt MUZ is given a place comparable to a Gem-Studded Rock in Akbar's life..!!!
This is how i always wanted the relation of Jo-Ja to be...And, i am getting this since, the Takhth burning scene...Jodha-The Empress and Wife + Jalal...


Jodha

She was a Queen who talked of "Raj-Dharma" with Jalal , AND also a wife, who knew and understood her husband well, and better than anyone...I liked the fact that TODAY she was counting the sins as well as virtues of MA...She knew as a State-Offender, MA does NOT deserve any slack treatment, but but but, there is something called HUMAN bond as well..She was given well written dialogues

Jalal

"I am THE King, but i am A SON too..!!!!.. "...

Jodha and Jalal are different, and this is what i could see today...They are Royals, and at the same time they have human relations like any other common person...The Episode brought forth the Strong REBELLING Human Emotions into Play...The Emperor was NOT ready to BEND, but the SON in HIM was clearly extending it's stronghold over the Emperor...!!!!!

Precap:

The Son prevails ... The Emperor leaves his identity behind, and proceeds towards his Mother...
I bet, it's going to be a power-packed Episode..Don't Miss it..

Future Plots:

About Ruqs, the less said is better...We also saw a glimpse of Sharif...Come Monday, and we are going to witness the Dual Track of Sharif and Ruqs, as far as i feel...

So, how was the Episode today .?.




nice depiction, abhay.
Maham has erect a bizarre logic abt her motherly fondness for her both sons. She thinks that she couldn't give proper affection to adham at his childhood time as she has given her whole times behind jalal's upbringing but when ever she has felt she hasn't spent time behind raring adham perfectly in his childhood now she has determined to fulfil adham's illegitimate dream to b emperor making sazesh against jalal so maham thinks this way she has kept balance her motherly love b/w her 2 sons n to do it she hasn't done any wrong! How ludicrous! Nonetheless there is no any meaning to raise finger on any deathbed lady's utterance or her sins n as human being maham has also r8 to get honorarium death.
I have heard a deathbed person gets the sign of her/his death is very close lying on bed. I have felt maham also may get any sign in yesterday's episode as she was comparatively soft with Jodha n to pour her inner talk before Jodha it was her indirect pleading to see Jalal for the last time.
Jodha was the apple of eyes in whole episode. Her trying heart n soul to construct bridge b/w a broken down mother-son's relationship was huge praise worthy. Jodha didn't request,plead,force to Jalal for a while meeting with maham but brilliantly used reverse psychology on Jalal n this was worked on Jalal quite that he even said he couldn't hear any badmouth abt maham. I applaud to Jodha for reminding ruq the only for her(jo) herself willing,ruq is gonna to get jo's child. Overall in this maham departure track Jodha is real hero who has succeeded to make final meeting b/w mother n son which wl b the termination of bitterness amid 2 relationships(mother &son , saas& bahu)
today wl b another power packed episode where we wl get to see an emotional crumbling down scene in mother n son. Leaving the slough of emperor, a son wl come to his foster mother. Eagerly waiting for tonite's epi.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Looking at a Dying Mahamanga


Please bear with me. This is not in defense of Mahamanga. If you still cannot bear to read about her, just skip this post. 😊



The last few days have seen Mahamanga wither gradually from an authoritative and manipulative politician to a lonely, broken woman, separated from the world where she had ruled centre-stage for many years. The final straw for her is to realize that she is to be sent away from Agra, where she had lived and breathed royal politics for aeons. To her, it is as if Jalal is cutting all ties between her and Agra forever and is casting her aside like an insignificant speck from his life.

Even when she was in confinement in Agra, she had the hope that one day, Jalal would come to meet her. In Delhi, there would be no such hope.

Why does Maham want to meet Jalal anyway? Like Jodha asks Jalal in mock derision, why indeed? Who is Maham in reality? The one who conspired against the emperor, desirous of making her own son the king. Or the one who nurtured and protected a young Jalal and showered him with love and guided him to his destiny till he found his identity?

Are the CVs really glorifying a vamp? But really, the harem did weep for her. So this woman could not have been just a psycho case or a criminal or a traitor. She may have contributed a good deal to the upbringing of Jalal, his ascension and growth as a king, and the expansion of the kingdom.

She must have had a good side and a bad side to her. We all know the bad side. No need to repeat it. But what about the good side?

When Jalal cut Maham off from his life after Jodha's return to Agra, I felt that Maham had never really loved Jalal and that she had merely used him as a stepping stone to accomplish her own and her son's ambitions. Last night, however, compelled me to think again. A person usually does not lie on death bed. (Usually, though there may have been exceptions)

I was disturbed by the way she mourned for the loss of her two sons. In a way, she had lost both through her own hands.

She had never tried to ensure that Adham grew up with the right values and love / loyalty for Jalal. She had fanned his ambitions till he could no longer control them and paid with his life. And she had let her own ego grow so much that she felt she was the king maker and not merely a mentor. She felt that Jalal had become an emperor because of her efforts; otherwise, he would never have made it. She felt the Mughal empire was running gloriously because of her sacrifices. She started believing in her own supremacy and invincibility. The more Jalal gave her slack out of respect, the more she felt that he existed only because of her and that she could make anyone a king, even her good-for-nothing son, Adham.

Her ego stoked her hunger for power and drove Jalal away from her. She kept trying to fool herself that Jalal the emperor didn't matter to her because she could always make Adham the king and enjoy the associated power. She forgot two things here:

1. She was attached deeply to Jalal on a personal level, far away from political powergames.

2. Adham could never become a king because he was never fit for it. Every person is born with a destiny that cannot be altered by anyone. Jalal was destined to become a great king and he did. He would have made it without Mahamanga and BK too - such was the strength of his destiny.

Once Adham died, Maham knew she had lost both her sons. One could never come back to her. And the other would never come back to her. And she had also lost the power and position that she had enjoyed unhindered all these years. But now, on her death bed, power and politics were the last things on her mind.

What an irony it is! When we are born, our fists are curled tight, wanting to grasp everything within their hold. We spend entire lifetimes fighting for material and illusory things like fame and wealth. We fight with our loved ones and we make enemies along the way. We become sick in our quest for just that bit more. And then when we die, we leave with empty, stretched hands...

All we want when we are born is to be cuddled and loved and protected. All we want when we die is still to be hugged and loved and taken care of. Everything that happens in between is of no consequence, except for the legacy it helps us leave behind.

When Maham was crying in front of Jodha yesterday, this stark truth about the harsh reality of life and death struck me. This woman who had tried so hard to drive away Jodha, was now begging her to bring her son to her for one last glance. This woman who had always held Jodha in contempt found herself grieving in front of her, crying her heart out, without any compunction.

What an irony! How we perceive people when we are alive and how people actually are with us in our dying moments. Maham had all along conspired with Ruq against Jodha. And today it was Ruq who tried to stop Jodha from meeting Maham and comforting her in her final moments.

I had a fear that Maham may accept Jodha only because she brings Jalal to her. But when I saw them yesterday, I knew that Maham would accept Jodha for what she is and not because of Jalal. Finally the veil of ego and pride should fall from Maham's eyes, as she realizes that she has come a full circle. She had started by loving Jalal like her child and now, all she wants is to still love Jalal as her child and be loved by him like his badi ammi. Finally, she should realize how she had wronged Jalal by forgetting about this precious love and treating him like a king who could be used to increase her own power.

And she should realize that not all people live life, striving for power and auda and using everyone around them. There are some like Jodha who believe in loving all of humanity as their own family, irrespective of whether they get anything in return or not. I hope to see her acknowledge to Jodha that she had been wrong in her judgment of Jodha all along and had done her great injustice by trying to separate her from Jalal.



PS: The curtains should come down on the Maham saga today - wondering how it will all be wound up. 😊


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Nice Post Ayushi especially the last lines.. 😊



Thanks Abhay, Actually As A king Jalal punished, Maham which was his duty, +time Demand.
But it not means,their realtionship die in seconds.So he wants No body Right to touch that points,;;;;;;;;;;;;;But we know, & he will also know later, Its Jodha Treating Method, To Jalal.
Onething, Notice;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal knows, Maham is not feeling Well.? is he not knows, then Jodha will go to meet Maham, Sure He knows, Jodha will go, Again he permits Jodha,She can meet Maham.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Actually He is Own fighting, Son & King, Duties. But naturally
Son love is bigger then King duty. But this diiference, Maham Knows, Jodha knows, Now Jalal will Know;

if we see, Just ex,;;;;;;;;;;;;;Not discussing history, After Ravana death, Ram said, to Luxamana, Ravana Knows;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Four vedas,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So Gain Knoweledge,
From Foot side,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;It means, If Rama thinks,Ravana stole My Wife, He is Our big enemy, Why need to learn from him;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;he differenticiate Two things, same is here
Two things are different.Maham Crime, & Meeting as a son Has a difference.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Looking at a Dying Mahamanga


Please bear with me. This is not in defense of Mahamanga. If you still cannot bear to read about her, just skip this post. 😊



The last few days have seen Mahamanga wither gradually from an authoritative and manipulative politician to a lonely, broken woman, separated from the world where she had ruled centre-stage for many years. The final straw for her is to realize that she is to be sent away from Agra, where she had lived and breathed royal politics for aeons. To her, it is as if Jalal is cutting all ties between her and Agra forever and is casting her aside like an insignificant speck from his life.

Even when she was in confinement in Agra, she had the hope that one day, Jalal would come to meet her. In Delhi, there would be no such hope.

Why does Maham want to meet Jalal anyway? Like Jodha asks Jalal in mock derision, why indeed? Who is Maham in reality? The one who conspired against the emperor, desirous of making her own son the king. Or the one who nurtured and protected a young Jalal and showered him with love and guided him to his destiny till he found his identity?

Are the CVs really glorifying a vamp? But really, the harem did weep for her. So this woman could not have been just a psycho case or a criminal or a traitor. She may have contributed a good deal to the upbringing of Jalal, his ascension and growth as a king, and the expansion of the kingdom.

She must have had a good side and a bad side to her. We all know the bad side. No need to repeat it. But what about the good side?

When Jalal cut Maham off from his life after Jodha's return to Agra, I felt that Maham had never really loved Jalal and that she had merely used him as a stepping stone to accomplish her own and her son's ambitions. Last night, however, compelled me to think again. A person usually does not lie on death bed. (Usually, though there may have been exceptions)

I was disturbed by the way she mourned for the loss of her two sons. In a way, she had lost both through her own hands.

She had never tried to ensure that Adham grew up with the right values and love / loyalty for Jalal. She had fanned his ambitions till he could no longer control them and paid with his life. And she had let her own ego grow so much that she felt she was the king maker and not merely a mentor. She felt that Jalal had become an emperor because of her efforts; otherwise, he would never have made it. She felt the Mughal empire was running gloriously because of her sacrifices. She started believing in her own supremacy and invincibility. The more Jalal gave her slack out of respect, the more she felt that he existed only because of her and that she could make anyone a king, even her good-for-nothing son, Adham.

Her ego stoked her hunger for power and drove Jalal away from her. She kept trying to fool herself that Jalal the emperor didn't matter to her because she could always make Adham the king and enjoy the associated power. She forgot two things here:

1. She was attached deeply to Jalal on a personal level, far away from political powergames.

2. Adham could never become a king because he was never fit for it. Every person is born with a destiny that cannot be altered by anyone. Jalal was destined to become a great king and he did. He would have made it without Mahamanga and BK too - such was the strength of his destiny.

Once Adham died, Maham knew she had lost both her sons. One could never come back to her. And the other would never come back to her. And she had also lost the power and position that she had enjoyed unhindered all these years. But now, on her death bed, power and politics were the last things on her mind.

What an irony it is! When we are born, our fists are curled tight, wanting to grasp everything within their hold. We spend entire lifetimes fighting for material and illusory things like fame and wealth. We fight with our loved ones and we make enemies along the way. We become sick in our quest for just that bit more. And then when we die, we leave with empty, stretched hands...

All we want when we are born is to be cuddled and loved and protected. All we want when we die is still to be hugged and loved and taken care of. Everything that happens in between is of no consequence, except for the legacy it helps us leave behind.

When Maham was crying in front of Jodha yesterday, this stark truth about the harsh reality of life and death struck me. This woman who had tried so hard to drive away Jodha, was now begging her to bring her son to her for one last glance. This woman who had always held Jodha in contempt found herself grieving in front of her, crying her heart out, without any compunction.

What an irony! How we perceive people when we are alive and how people actually are with us in our dying moments. Maham had all along conspired with Ruq against Jodha. And today it was Ruq who tried to stop Jodha from meeting Maham and comforting her in her final moments.

I had a fear that Maham may accept Jodha only because she brings Jalal to her. But when I saw them yesterday, I knew that Maham would accept Jodha for what she is and not because of Jalal. Finally the veil of ego and pride should fall from Maham's eyes, as she realizes that she has come a full circle. She had started by loving Jalal like her child and now, all she wants is to still love Jalal as her child and be loved by him like his badi ammi. Finally, she should realize how she had wronged Jalal by forgetting about this precious love and treating him like a king who could be used to increase her own power.

And she should realize that not all people live life, striving for power and auda and using everyone around them. There are some like Jodha who believe in loving all of humanity as their own family, irrespective of whether they get anything in return or not. I hope to see her acknowledge to Jodha that she had been wrong in her judgment of Jodha all along and had done her great injustice by trying to separate her from Jalal.



PS: The curtains should come down on the Maham saga today - wondering how it will all be wound up. 😊



Radhika ,

I loved your thoughts . You have not defended Maham at all . You have said the truth .
She may have plotted and failed , but her love for Jalal never did . She hated the fact that the Hindu princess Jodha had made a place for herself in Jalal's heart and never missed an opportunity to demean her , yet she is pleading with the same person to help her change her son Jalal's mindset and address her as 'badi ammi' one last time . She has learnt her lessons , in the worst way possible .



Radhika , did you read the news of mandolin U Srinivas passing way ? Really sad . What fine talent . I am a huge fan . Grew up listening to him .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Can Jodha Alone Forgive her on Behave Of Jalal ?

Ques is Not Forgiving for Not forgiving.

Ques, is Only Humanity;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Ques Rise, Why Maham Type person treat With Humanity

So ( 15 sep episode your ques ans.) Read below, specially Peace, &Physcholigist points.

Jodha is what doing, A doctor does, But Doctor, not attach us fully, He Only attach, When we are taking treatment, Not fully, after Seeing patient, He sees Other patient, Suppose, Maham type personalites, More in Jail;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;She Will use This Method. Lookafter + Fully Attaching have a difference. She is not attaching her Bad deeds. But as a human she wants
she will not die, Cause of Illness.Or AK, Wishes in Heart.

She wants;;;;;;;;;;;;;;for her, she will Die Peaceful death;;;;;;;;;;;So her concious will not feel toughness in Last Time.

Yesterday Episode, I liked again Jodha Transperent, Vision. She is Aware, Also Her Childs, But As A Queen She is Tackling Maham Point also. Or As A Wife, She is Cleared, Jalal is feeling Pain Cause of Maham Bad Duva;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

HB, Ruk, Even Jalal all are Worried about Maham Bad Bellesings, & They Trying to Sort Out

,Through Different methods. So Bad DUVA, Will Not Effect.

Ruq is worried about the curse because she doesn't want it to affect the child she gets. Because then she will not be able to become MUZ.

Here Previous Episode Jodha Cleared, She is not Worring About Maham Curse, But she is praying For Maham Peace.;;;;;;;;;;;

Acc to Jodha Peace is Which Method, Which Consoles Us, Gives Power to Think Right &wrong, Then Automatically We think, What we Did in Past or Doing in Future Wrong or Right.;;;;;;;;;;;;;If Maham will feel Peace,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Then she will think,How she Fooled Everone, & Did Wrong;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;This Will change & come some Human Qualites,
in Maham;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;or XYZ, Maham type Prisioners, This Change Jodha Wants. Khyber Also changed in Past.

Jodha vision of Clearity, Mostely, Amzing. She Knows situations difference. this time, She knows Difference of Badcursing, +Maham illnessness.
She knows how to tackle this situation, & she tackled. Liked Jodha honestely shared it Jalal,
I am not fearing, Bad blessings of Maham. I am praying for her Peace;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Its, Great thought;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Here Couple Understaning Great;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal leaved, I not stop you,


She (JODHA )is using, Accurate Method (ZAVEDA ) Which will Work 100% sure This way, Maham Can Eat food. She got Hint From Reshum, & She tackled Situation, Kindfully,+She Understand, Situation Demand, Also As A Queen or As A GOOD HUMAN Being, Liked She said;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Maham what did Wrong,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But This situation How Can i Leave Humanity.


Agree, Queen duti is not Easy. Sometimes Acc to situation, decesion needed. Maham or XYZ, if getting Punishment;;;;;;;;;;;She has no problem. Problem is this, Prisioner is Leaving food, +not taking treatement;;;;;;;;;;;;;Or Going to Lack of Will Power near Death.If we see today in 21 cen;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Docotrs provids, to Prisioners;;;;;;;;;;;;;Doctores, treat prisioners.
Even Mazor criminal or Others cases, Physchologists Needed. Doctores not says they did Major crime we will not treat these patients.

Same Jodha Doing. Queen duty is to Blance+Proper decesion making also. Humanity is a Big factor;;;;; Tough situations she is blancing this Quality;;;;;;;;;;;Suerly she is appriciable.⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

@Rashmi: Here is the answer to your Q. 😊

But Maham is Not changing, She has no Guilt, What she did in Past Wrong

She is Happy for Zaveda, not For Jodha,I recalled a Story;

A, Sadhu is Bathing in River, & Bichoou, Cut His Hands, & Fall Down In River,Sadhu, Picked,

Otherwise He (Bichoou, Will be Drowned. ) He again Cut, Bleeding start in Sadu Hand, But He not Leaved his Kind Nature, Atleast, Someone Asked, Why Are you Doing Again Again
Sadhu Ans'ed;;;;;;;;;;;;;;If Bichoou, is Not Leaving His Nature, How Can I leave. So Its depends On individual Nature.

Agree. This was my mother's philosophy too. She always told me that let others behave according to their nature. That I should follow my values. If I also behaved like them, then I'd be similar to them. 😊

But Ques, Speaking Lie, i think, Jodha Moto is Only If Maham Will die, Cause of Hunger +Lackof will Power, Thats Not Right, But If she Will die, Natural, Then She Has No Problem.
Because She said Previous;;;;;;;;;;;;;She Can, not Do this Case, Nothing. But Reshum, Pressurise Her,

Actually jodha type Personalites belive, if a Bad Person little change, So this is Good thing for socity;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because Goodness is not a easy thing. Little goodness
also work better then More Bad work.

Jodha knows how much Jalal loves Maham. If Maham were to die of heartache, Jalal would feel guilty all his life. So Jodha is taking care of Maham for his sake. So that Jalal would be satisfied that something was done for Maham and she was not left to die.

See how much Jodha loves Jalal. She is taking care of a woman who had tried to separate her from Jalal and even now insults her. Just because that woman holds a special place in her husband's heart. This is pure love.


Ayushi,

Wonderful post! Thanks for sharing such wonderful views. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

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Radhika , did you read the news of mandolin U Srinivas passing way ? Really sad . What fine talent . I am a huge fan . Grew up listening to him .



Oh really charu . Shocking. I need go and read about this. I am as well a huge fan of his.
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Oh really charu . Shocking. I need go and read about this. I am as well a huge fan of his.



Yes Sindhu , my sister informed me early this morning . He was just 45 . His fingers created magical tunes , even as a child . Really sad . A writeup in "THE HINDU" said that he died of lung infection , following a liver transplant .
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Radhika ,

I loved your thoughts . You have not defended Maham at all . You have said the truth .
She may have plotted and failed , but her love for Jalal never did . She hated the fact that the Hindu princess Jodha had made a place for herself in Jalal's heart and never missed an opportunity to demean her , yet she is pleading with the same person to help her change her son Jalal's mindset and address her as 'badi ammi' one last time . She has learnt her lessons , in the worst way possible .



Radhika , did you read the news of mandolin U Srinivas passing way ? Really sad . What fine talent . I am a huge fan . Grew up listening to him .


Charu,


You are so right! 😊

I heard the news of Mandolin U. Srinivas passing away in the afternoon. So sad. He was just 45, not the age to die. 😕 Last night, I saw a documentary on M.S. Not completely, bits and pieces. Such a beautiful voice she had. You feel so sad when such legends pass away. They leave a void that can never be filled again.

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Yes Sindhu , my sister informed me early this morning . He was just 45 . His fingers created magical tunes , even as a child . Really sad . A writeup in "THE HINDU" said that he died of lung infection , following a liver transplant .


He had some kidney ailment too.

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