Birbal & JA Twins Entry, Ruq Downfall Sep 27 Updt Pg 60; DTNTPg15 - Page 27

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Lasya, pls translate for others... I don't know exact translation. 😆

Originally posted by: lasyap3

Abhay, what else can we do other than JWW?😕 Until then, better to stop scratching our heads as it may lead to hair loss😆

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay, Charu, Lasya,

I agree that Jodha is being her true, noble self in dealing with Maham.

You know, what they say, we hate that in others which we most hate in ourselves. This innate, natural-born goodness of Jodha bugs me sometimes when the recipient is a no-gooder or an ingrate. 😊

My mother inculcated this doctrine of doing good to others, even if they are boors of the worst order, from childhood to such an extent that even when I don't want to be good to someone, I subconsciously end up doing so, much to my consternation. Of course, I expect Jodha is much nobler than me and she would never have such unholy thoughts about doing good.

The whole idea behind Jodha being good to Maham, in spite of Maham's churlishness to her, is that one who is truly good will be good with anyone and not just with those who are good to them in return. This is a highly ideal situation. Many times, Jo has proved this to be true.

But what vexes me is practically, how far should one be good to a person who is on her deathbed but still unrepentant. (I know Maham will soon turn a new leaf and accept Jodha. But right now, this has not happened. The discussion precedes that scenario.)

Shouldn't one also think in terms of "punishing" that person for her crimes or reforming her?

Maham has done enough harm to Jalal and his family. Can Jodha alone forgive her on behalf of Jalal?

Does Maham deserve this kind of love and attention, after all her misspent life?

Why is it important to make Maham wish to live, by even lying for this purpose? I don't mind the lie, per se. That's a white lie spoken for a cause. It's the cause I am doubtful about. What good will come if Maham lives? Is it only because she is Jalal's foster mother?

Please help me out here in seeking these answers. 😊

PS: This post is NOT anti-Jodha. I love Jodha as much, if not more, as any other Jodha lover here on the forum. This post is only to understand if her attitude to Maham is practical.

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Mamanga is an evil person who always plotted evil, but she got the biggest punishment which is to watch her son die when she is alive. She became evil and selfish just for her son. She lost it all and became depressed and stopped eating. Jodha did try to avoid Resham initially but had to meet Mamanga because of repeated request from Resham. It was only natural for Jodha to feel sympathy for Mamanga after meeting her. In fact she told Jalal today that she wanted to help Mamanga on the basis of Humanity. Does this mean Jalal is wrong. Both are right at their own places.

Personally, I do not think Jodha is doing all this to see Mamanga live. I do not agree with this at all. Added to this Hakim Sahiba did say that Mamanga will be alive only for maximum 3 days. Jodha is doing what her heart is saying to do and Jalal understands it. Is Jodha showing compassion to Mamanga for her own selfish reasons. Definitely not. What will Jodha Gain out of this.

Yes I do despise Mamanga, but we should not forget that she took care of Jalal. Though Jalal says he has not forgiven Mamanga, will he be able to deny that he does not love her any more. He can never hate her. In fact what Jodha is doing now will only help Jalal later. He need not worry that she was not taken care of in her last days.

There is a famous quote and Jodha is just doing what her heart says.
Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Eleanor Roosevelt

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay, Charu, Lasya,

I agree that Jodha is being her true, noble self in dealing with Maham.

You know, what they say, we hate that in others which we most hate in ourselves. This innate, natural-born goodness of Jodha bugs me sometimes when the recipient is a no-gooder or an ingrate. 😊

My mother inculcated this doctrine of doing good to others, even if they are boors of the worst order, from childhood to such an extent that even when I don't want to be good to someone, I subconsciously end up doing so, much to my consternation. Of course, I expect Jodha is much nobler than me and she would never have such unholy thoughts about doing good.

The whole idea behind Jodha being good to Maham, in spite of Maham's churlishness to her, is that one who is truly good will be good with anyone and not just with those who are good to them in return. This is a highly ideal situation. Many times, Jo has proved this to be true.

But what vexes me is practically, how far should one be good to a person who is on her deathbed but still unrepentant. (I know Maham will soon turn a new leaf and accept Jodha. But right now, this has not happened. The discussion precedes that scenario.)

Shouldn't one also think in terms of "punishing" that person for her crimes or reforming her?

Maham has done enough harm to Jalal and his family. Can Jodha alone forgive her on behalf of Jalal?

Does Maham deserve this kind of love and attention, after all her misspent life?

Why is it important to make Maham wish to live, by even lying for this purpose? I don't mind the lie, per se. That's a white lie spoken for a cause. It's the cause I am doubtful about. What good will come if Maham lives? Is it only because she is Jalal's foster mother?

Please help me out here in seeking these answers. 😊

PS: This post is NOT anti-Jodha. I love Jodha as much, if not more, as any other Jodha lover here on the forum. This post is only to understand if her attitude to Maham is practical.

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Awesome thoughts , so beautifully written Sindhu .😛 You have ended your post with a meaningful quote by Eleanor Roosevelt . Superb . Thank you .

I am in complete agreement with your views . Jodha has forgiven a dying mother-like figure . She is magnanimous and large hearted , above all extremely human . She chose to see the positive mother-like contributions from Mahamanga for Jalal and ignore all her negatives . This is where the character of Jodha stands tall .

Charu.

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Jodha is curing Maham's hate with love . She has the strength of mind and large-heartedness to do so . She is choosing to ignore Maham's negatives and seeing only her positive influences in Jalal's life .This thought in her stems from the fact that despite having imprisoned Maham and severing ties with her, JALAL STILL DEEPLY LOVES HIS 'BADI AMMI'. Jodha is sensitive towards Jalal's feelings. She understands his inner most thoughts even without him having to express them . She knows that her pardoning Maham will pave the way for Jalal's forgiving his badi ammi , the one who nursed him , protected him , guided him in becoming the strong shehenshah that he is today .

She did not want Jalal to be remorseful and regret his actions later on, of not bonding with her prior to her passing away . Whatever selfish motives she may have harbored while raising the baby Jalal , she still is the figure that her husband had once addressed as 'badi ammi'. Jodha forgave her, for that one reason alone . Coming to whether Maham really deserved it , she is dying , really loves Jalal in her own way , one never wants to hold a grudge towards a dying person .

Jodha forgave Maham only for Jalal because she truly understands his mind , thoughts and feelings . She loves Jalal .She is fulfilling her duties as a 'humsafar' .

Charu.

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Mamanga is an evil person who always plotted evil, but she got the biggest punishment which is to watch her son die when she is alive. She became evil and selfish just for her son. She lost it all and became depressed and stopped eating. Jodha did try to avoid Resham initially but had to meet Mamanga because of repeated request from Resham. It was only natural for Jodha to feel sympathy for Mamanga after meeting her. In fact she told Jalal today that she wanted to help Mamanga on the basis of Humanity. Does this mean Jalal is wrong. Both are right at their own places.

Personally, I do not think Jodha is doing all this to see Mamanga live. I do not agree with this at all. Added to this Hakim Sahiba did say that Mamanga will be alive only for maximum 3 days. Jodha is doing what her heart is saying to do and Jalal understands it. Is Jodha showing compassion to Mamanga for her own selfish reasons. Definitely not. What will Jodha Gain out of this.

Yes I do despise Mamanga, but we should not forget that she took care of Jalal. Though Jalal says he has not forgiven Mamanga, will he be able to deny that he does not love her any more. He can never hate her. In fact what Jodha is doing now will only help Jalal later. He need not worry that she was not taken care of in her last days.

There is a famous quote and Jodha is just doing what her heart says.
Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Eleanor Roosevelt