How can Jalal be redeemed & Jodha happy? - Page 9

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Maddy,

Great post - you have really put in a lot of thought into this otherwise illogical track. 👏

I will not comment in detail, as you know, I'm neither watching the show nor reading WUs. 😊

Jalal was my first love in this show - I have tried my best to continue to love him despite impossible odds kept in the way by the CVs. I have tried my best to defend him till the Khyber kidnapping Jo track. When I was even complimented for looking at only the roses and ignoring the thorns. 😆

But my tolerance is at an all-time low and I cannot even bear to look at Jalal any more! For that matter, I'm pretty cheesed off with Jodha too at the moment.

Jalal:

What's with him? Why does he take Jodha so much for granted? He thinks he can do anything, without telling her, and she will keep worshiping him as her pati parmeshwar?

First of all, there is no TE. If at all, there was one ever, he is dead and replaced by a Jalal clone who cannot add 2 and 2 to deduce 4.

How many tracks have we tolerated in the hope that the TE will be resurrected within or at the end of the track? Has it ever happened so far? No.

Even in the very early Jo FP track, it wasn't Jalal who really succeeded. It was Salima who helped him along. In the earlier Ruq MC track, when he came across MA look-alike, did he ever try to find out who was behind the plot? How a look-alike could get entry into the palace? Why the look-alike had tried to kill his baby? No. He just caught her, punished her and that was the end of it.

After that, in almost every track, it's been Jo all the way. From Tasneem to the recent Jo kidnapping tracks, Jo has shown more ingenuity and common sense than TE and his ministers combined.

In the war track, we had been led to believe that Jalal was acting and had plotted his own capture for some mysterious reason, that he had replenishments coming,... He ended up looking just ineffectual, requiring MS to save him and Jo to save his harem.

Then the Khyber kidnap drama was spun to "redeem" the macho Jalal. Again, it was Jo who showed presence of mind in almost escaping from Khyber's captivity and it was Khyber who stole the show right under Jalal's nose by saving Jo from MC's soldiers before Jalal could reach her.

At the moment, Khyber seems to have shown more sympathy for a pregnant Jo than her own husband and in-laws.

Let me assume for a moment that Jalal is indeed the TE and is acting to save Jo and his babies. Even if he doesn't take Jo into confidence, why doesn't he take Atga or TM into confidence? Is it because he suspects Ruq's hand and doesn't want to reveal her truth in front of anyone?

The hamam scene is actually too much of a coincidence to be a planned event. How does the plotter know that Jalal will go to the hamam at that time to flirt with Jo? How does the plotter know that Jo herself will come to look for Jalal in the hamam at the exact same time, instead of sending her maid, or waiting for him to come to her?

We cannot rely on Jalal's inconsistent mannerisms and expressions and read too much into them.

I remember in the Ben track, there was a scene in which Ben touches Jalal's hand and he washes his hand as soon as she leaves. At that time, amny people had jumped the gun and assumed he knew that she was a VK. Another time, he reads her letter to her "mother" in Kabul and we assumed that he had understood that it was all a coded message. Again, this was not so. He had no idea she was a VK till Jo drank the poison in front of him.

So, scattering red herrings here and there is a favorite pastime of the CVs and they don't add up to much in my view.

Here, if he is only acting, why stretch the torture for Jo and us over so many days? Why doesn't he simply try to bed Atifa at the earliest and try to get to the bottom of things fast?

It may well be Ruq's plot, for she has tried earlier with Ben to separate JJ. But this time, how does she gain? Jo is already pregnant. Even if JJ are separated, Jo will still become the MUZ and her son will still become the heir. Ruq doesn't only want to separate JJ. She wants that Jo should not get the MUZ title and her kids should not be born.

So Ruq trying to separate JJ seems an incomplete plot. Yes, Ruq can very well send Khyber to Jo's room and get Jalal to thorw out Jo from Agra. That would serve her purpose better.

I can very well believe that if there is to be another kidnapping of Jo, Ruq is very likely the person behind it. That would be in her best interest. Is Ruq then trying to get Jalal so disinterested in Jo that he doesn't care even if Jo is kidnapped? We have to wait and watch.

Jodha:

This is a strong-as-they-come girl. Then why does she waste her time crying over a casanova trying to seduce every moving thing in a skirt?

She has put up with watching him flirt with Ben and propositioning Ruq right in front of her eyes. At least, all that was before the Grand Confession and the Grander SR.

She has served Ruq dutifully when she assumed Ruq was pregnant. She has shared the spotlight with Ruq in her own baby shower. She has gifted her own wish to Ruq. She has borne the torture and trauma of being kidnapped by an orangutan. She has kept a smile plastered on her face despite HB not exactly being the excitedly clucking, motherly type we assumed she would be when Jo gets pregnant.

But all this pales into comparison with what she is putting up with from Jalal. How can she tolerate a husband who neglects her so pathetically? Who doesn't even have the decency to inquire about her health or see to it that Ruq waits hand and foot on Jo as much as Jo waited on her?

Even if we assume he is investigating Atifa, his neglect of Jo cannot be justified. True, he may want to keep some things secret from her. He may want to show that he is indifferent to Jo and attracted to Atifa. But surely, he would then ensure that there is someone as responsible as him to take care of Jodha's physical and emotional needs? He cannot rely on Moti alone for this purpose.

Can't he see that the emotional stress he is inflicting on Jo can have serious effect on their babies' health?

HB and MV

These used to be my favorite punching bags once upon a time and I'm so happy that they have returned to their original form so that I can vent my frustration a little by taking it out on them.

First, MV.

What kind of mother would stay away from visiting her daughter even briefly when the daughter is expecting a baby for the first time? When MV herself is expecting her first grandchild? When MV knows thru what highs and lows JJ have passed to reach this stage of expectant parenthood?

Now HB.

She, who has been knitting booties for her grandkids ever since the show started, is so unexcited about her favorite DIL, Jo, carrying the much awaited waaris - it's unbelievable.

She, who was hovering over Ruq like a helicopter over a flood-hit zone, is now so totally lacking in any feeling of anticipation or care for Jo - it's indigestible.

She, in spite of being the queen mother, is so unconcerned about Jalal's lack of concern towards Jo and his babies and his growing attraction to a married woman - it's incomprehensible.

The plot has to be much more than just Jalal being attracted towards a married woman and losing his takht because of that. Whether it is MC or MA who is behind the plot, the plot itself seems to suggest that Atifa's role is to seduce and kill Jalal when he is unable to defend himself. If indeed Ruq is trying to separate JJ, her role in this Atifa case is limited. She cannot be the complete mastermind.

Will Ruq be exposed and punished? I don't think so. At most, Jalal may censure her in private and / or give her a withering look. That's about it. The BEK can never be exposed in the DEK because she is the aan, baan aur shaan of the Mughal sultanate and clan.

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Confusing...i agree...i just hope that they provide a logical explanation at the end of this track...not something that leads to more questions than answers and completely shatters whatever is left of Jalal's image.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Maddy,

Great post - you have really put in a lot of thought into this otherwise illogical track. 👏

I will not comment in detail, as you know, I'm neither watching the show nor reading WUs. 😊

Jalal was my first love in this show - I have tried my best to continue to love him despite impossible odds kept in the way by the CVs. I have tried my best to defend him till the Khyber kidnapping Jo track. When I was even complimented for looking at only the roses and ignoring the thorns. 😆

But my tolerance is at an all-time low and I cannot even bear to look at Jalal any more! For that matter, I'm pretty cheesed off with Jodha too at the moment.

Jalal:

What's with him? Why does he take Jodha so much for granted? He thinks he can do anything, without telling her, and she will keep worshiping him as her pati parmeshwar?

First of all, there is no TE. If at all, there was one ever, he is dead and replaced by a Jalal clone who cannot add 2 and 2 to deduce 4.

How many tracks have we tolerated in the hope that the TE will be resurrected within or at the end of the track? Has it ever happened so far? No.

Even in the very early Jo FP track, it wasn't Jalal who really succeeded. It was Salima who helped him along. In the earlier Ruq MC track, when he came across MA look-alike, did he ever try to find out who was behind the plot? How a look-alike could get entry into the palace? Why the look-alike had tried to kill his baby? No. He just caught her, punished her and that was the end of it.

After that, in almost every track, it's been Jo all the way. From Tasneem to the recent Jo kidnapping tracks, Jo has shown more ingenuity and common sense than TE and his ministers combined.

In the war track, we had been led to believe that Jalal was acting and had plotted his own capture for some mysterious reason, that he had replenishments coming,... He ended up looking just ineffectual, requiring MS to save him and Jo to save his harem.

Then the Khyber kidnap drama was spun to "redeem" the macho Jalal. Again, it was Jo who showed presence of mind in almost escaping from Khyber's captivity and it was Khyber who stole the show right under Jalal's nose by saving Jo from MC's soldiers before Jalal could reach her.

At the moment, Khyber seems to have shown more sympathy for a pregnant Jo than her own husband and in-laws.

Let me assume for a moment that Jalal is indeed the TE and is acting to save Jo and his babies. Even if he doesn't take Jo into confidence, why doesn't he take Atga or TM into confidence? Is it because he suspects Ruq's hand and doesn't want to reveal her truth in front of anyone?

The hamam scene is actually too much of a coincidence to be a planned event. How does the plotter know that Jalal will go to the hamam at that time to flirt with Jo? How does the plotter know that Jo herself will come to look for Jalal in the hamam at the exact same time, instead of sending her maid, or waiting for him to come to her?

We cannot rely on Jalal's inconsistent mannerisms and expressions and read too much into them.

I remember in the Ben track, there was a scene in which Ben touches Jalal's hand and he washes his hand as soon as she leaves. At that time, amny people had jumped the gun and assumed he knew that she was a VK. Another time, he reads her letter to her "mother" in Kabul and we assumed that he had understood that it was all a coded message. Again, this was not so. He had no idea she was a VK till Jo drank the poison in front of him.

So, scattering red herrings here and there is a favorite pastime of the CVs and they don't add up to much in my view.

Here, if he is only acting, why stretch the torture for Jo and us over so many days? Why doesn't he simply try to bed Atifa at the earliest and try to get to the bottom of things fast?

It may well be Ruq's plot, for she has tried earlier with Ben to separate JJ. But this time, how does she gain? Jo is already pregnant. Even if JJ are separated, Jo will still become the MUZ and her son will still become the heir. Ruq doesn't only want to separate JJ. She wants that Jo should not get the MUZ title and her kids should not be born.

So Ruq trying to separate JJ seems an incomplete plot. Yes, Ruq can very well send Khyber to Jo's room and get Jalal to thorw out Jo from Agra. That would serve her purpose better.

I can very well believe that if there is to be another kidnapping of Jo, Ruq is very likely the person behind it. That would be in her best interest. Is Ruq then trying to get Jalal so disinterested in Jo that he doesn't care even if Jo is kidnapped? We have to wait and watch.

Jodha:

This is a strong-as-they-come girl. Then why does she waste her time crying over a casanova trying to seduce every moving thing in a skirt?

She has put up with watching him flirt with Ben and propositioning Ruq right in front of her eyes. At least, all that was before the Grand Confession and the Grander SR.

She has served Ruq dutifully when she assumed Ruq was pregnant. She has shared the spotlight with Ruq in her own baby shower. She has gifted her own wish to Ruq. She has borne the torture and trauma of being kidnapped by an orangutan. She has kept a smile plastered on her face despite HB not exactly being the excitedly clucking, motherly type we assumed she would be when Jo gets pregnant.

But all this pales into comparison with what she is putting up with from Jalal. How can she tolerate a husband who neglects her so pathetically? Who doesn't even have the decency to inquire about her health or see to it that Ruq waits hand and foot on Jo as much as Jo waited on her?

Even if we assume he is investigating Atifa, his neglect of Jo cannot be justified. True, he may want to keep some things secret from her. He may want to show that he is indifferent to Jo and attracted to Atifa. But surely, he would then ensure that there is someone as responsible as him to take care of Jodha's physical and emotional needs? He cannot rely on Moti alone for this purpose.

Can't he see that the emotional stress he is inflicting on Jo can have serious effect on their babies' health?

HB and MV

These used to be my favorite punching bags once upon a time and I'm so happy that they have returned to their original form so that I can vent my frustration a little by taking it out on them.

First, MV.

What kind of mother would stay away from visiting her daughter even briefly when the daughter is expecting a baby for the first time? When MV herself is expecting her first grandchild? When MV knows thru what highs and lows JJ have passed to reach this stage of expectant parenthood?

Now HB.

She, who has been knitting booties for her grandkids ever since the show started, is so unexcited about her favorite DIL, Jo, carrying the much awaited waaris - it's unbelievable.

She, who was hovering over Ruq like a helicopter over a flood-hit zone, is now so totally lacking in any feeling of anticipation or care for Jo - it's indigestible.

She, in spite of being the queen mother, is so unconcerned about Jalal's lack of concern towards Jo and his babies and his growing attraction to a married woman - it's incomprehensible.

The plot has to be much more than just Jalal being attracted towards a married woman and losing his takht because of that. Whether it is MC or MA who is behind the plot, the plot itself seems to suggest that Atifa's role is to seduce and kill Jalal when he is unable to defend himself. If indeed Ruq is trying to separate JJ, her role in this Atifa case is limited. She cannot be the complete mastermind.

Will Ruq be exposed and punished? I don't think so. At most, Jalal may censure her in private and / or give her a withering look. That's about it. The BEK can never be exposed in the DEK because she is the aan, baan aur shaan of the Mughal sultanate and clan.

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Confusing...i agree...i just hope that they provide a logical explanation at the end of this track...not something that leads to more questions than answers and completely shatters whatever is left of Jalal's image.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Radhika thanks for posting!

I will read again and reply tomorrow. However, just one correction - Ruk is not JUST trying to separate Jodha from Jalal. Ruk actually said after she got news of Jodha's pregnancy that she will not let Jodha's baby be born and Jodha become MUZ. So Ruk is not just into separating Jalal from Jodha but after Jodha's pregnancy also.

There was a spoiler on SBS news also that Ruk might make an attempt on Jodha!

So yes Ruk can be the mastermind. I fail to see what MahaC would gain separating Jalal and Jodha, won't Jodha be just as much pregnant?

Why would Jalal pretend to be attracted to Atifa is the plot is to trap him in sin and he KNOWS!
Why won't he just send them packing?

WHO gains if Jalal is attracted towards Atifa and away from Jodha?!

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Thanks for making this post Maddy.

I really hope that they redeem Jalal . I always respected Akbar the great and found this screen Jalal absolutely irresistible. It was so much easier to understand and love this a flesh and blood human being with flaws who survived against all odds to become the great Emperor Akbar. Even the Jallad Jalal commanded respect because I could justify some of his actions by seeing him as a human being and not someone who was great from day one. I want to continue loving this character and am eager to see him redeemed. Also want it done for Jodha's sake, who deserves nothing less than a great man in her life.

Your theory makes a lot of sense. Ruk is beyond redemption. So they can pin it on her. A woman shown as a potential child killer is beyond redemption for non-sadist viewers. Please pardon me if I am inaccurate or repetitive...I am on a break from the show and rarely visit the forum these days. I try my best to follow the storyline but it is not the same as watching the show or reading different POVs on the forum.

I am most curious about the reason behind his behavior.

Is it a spell? Like black magic? I don't know enough about it ...so will refrain from commenting on it.

Is it an aphrodisiac? Hmm...that's interesting.

I would really like them to reveal the name of this compound for it to make sense. Ruk added it to Jalal's jaam...Aphrodisiacs are substances that increase sexual desire...there is an increase in libido, hyperarousability and increased( sometimes not) performance. There are some naturally occurring ones ... rhino horn, ghinseng and Spanish fly are the more famous ones. Most studies suggest a placbo effect...but Jalal doesn't know(right?)...then what is it that can make a man can drink it and get attracted towards a certain female...if Ruk gave him that drink, why didn't he do "it" with Ruk or even Jodha...CVs please tell me the name of this person specific aphrodisiac that makes him attracted to just Atifa( I'll use it on Brad Pitt next time he is in my city)...And, if Atifa is wearing something that attracts Jalal towards her, then again, it has to be person specific...it is clearly not working on her husband, Atgah or SD...I am assuming that Adham is out of town. We need to know the name of this discovery/invention by Ruk.😉

Besides that, CVs need to explain several other ugly aspects of Jalal's personality that were highlighted in this track.

He is shown to be a person who doesn't respect his religion...all the sins that he committed in the holy month need to be explained. How can viewers respect a man who doesn't respect his own faith? How can he make tall claims of respecting all religions when he doesn't respect his own religion? Beats me.

A very poor judge of character...and a poor judge..period...while Khyber is being punished for entering the harem, Nigar Aapa who brought soldiers to rape his harem ladies( including his beloved Jo and Ruk) is sitting in Agra Mahal enjoying the luxuries. He needs to pay that terrace Tarazu another visit.

An unfair husband...even if he is acting, his concern towards a pregnant Jo and a pregnant Ruk is very very different. If he suspects that Ruk is capable of hurting Jo, send her and Atifa on a pilgrimage...isnt that easier than torturing a pious pregnant woman who is about to give birth to his heir(s)? have Salima or someone else taste Jo's food. Didn't the Hakima sahiba with ultrasonic hands( the one who detected twin pregnancy in the first trimester) tell him that twin pregnancy is a "high risk pregnancy"? he could have played James Bond later(though we have all the elements...a seductress ...Ruks jaam, shaken not stirred, plethora of villains including the giant from 'the spy who loved me' and a lovely damsel in distress).

I really hope the CVs do justice to his character and explain all the whys" and "hows" in this skippable track.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Thanks Cleo for your post. I am glad to see you back with a long post.

WHO it can be and what the plot is - it is still a mystery. However, I think Jalal even now given something in food/drink does not seem to be. Maybe he was given something initially cos he had that self talk where he wondered why he is feeling attraction for Atifa?

Main thing is Jalal and Jodha were in a blissfully happy place and no cracks, expecting babies so WHY would Jalal suddenly turn so against Jodha who is loves passionately and now when she is going to give him what he has craved most his life, child.

So there has to be a very strong reason for Jalal to act like this. I hope the track closure gives very satisfactory answers. WHY Jalal is acting this way? WHO benefits if he gets away from Jodha? Why will he go to such extreme length? Ruk has the power, the network and the very close contact with them - so if it is her, can maybe understand why he had to pretend!

About Jodha's treatment in pregnancy or I should say mistreatment in pregnancy by everybody is shocking. She has suffered physical, emotional trauma to such an extent and even that she bore with a smile. However Jalal saying to Jodha that he feels she is not worth his love and he has fallen in love with someone else is what will shatter her heart.

Whatever, Jalal's reasons - I want to see my Teekhi Ameri mirchi back to give him hell. Jalal needs to do something or show her (and us) a valid reason for us to forgive his this treatment of Jodha.

Attraction to Atifa is small thing for me, how he treated pregnant Jodha by total lack of concern, care and abuse and indifference - that is horrible. I so want him to grovel!