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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am an ardent Akbar fan, and I mean no disrespect to the view points expressed here, but I think we are digressing a bit... Jalal like all leaders would not have ruled over Hindustan by fighting all the wars himself, he would have his generals execute his commands and follow through on this orders. Agreed he was undefeated and was never captured, agreed that he was brave and an excellent strategist, agreed he was the shrewdest politician and kindest of rulers, but to be all of these he had an army of supporters, well wishes and loyalists.
Can any one honestly say that Jalal was never injured in a war , can we claim that in any of the numerous battles he fought he was never saved by another brave loyalist from being captured( and I am not referring to begums or Jo in particular). Realistically, anyone would have had to defeat an army of soldiers and generals before coming close to Shahensha himself. And depiction of this fact would not have been a NR at all, it would have been the truth. As audience we would have been OK had EK and CVs shown Jalal being saved by TM or Adgah, but we just cannot digest the NR of Jalal being saved by his begum!

Having said this even I agree that showing Jalal falling to Shenu AM trap is an insult to him , am not sure we have seen the entire side of the story and am hoping Jalal twists this to his benefit. But to say that Jalal being saved by his begum would be insulting to Akbar is not appropriate either.


Somehow I feel in our search for portrayal that perfect Jalal we want to see him as a demi god, without factoring in the contributions others had in his success
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Posted: 11 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: chitterati


I am an ardent Akbar fan, and I mean no disrespect to the view points expressed here, but I think we are digressing a bit... Jalal like all leaders would not have ruled over Hindustan by fighting all the wars himself, he would have his generals execute his commands and follow through on this orders. Agreed he was undefeated and was never captured, agreed that he was brave and an excellent strategist, agreed he was the shrewdest politician and kindest of rulers, but to be all of these he had an army of supporters, well wishes and loyalists.
Can any one honestly say that Jalal was never injured in a war , can we claim that in any of the numerous battles he fought he was never saved by another brave loyalist from being captured( and I am not referring to begums or Jo in particular). Realistically, anyone would have had to defeat an army of soldiers and generals before coming close to Shahensha himself. And depiction of this fact would not have been a NR at all, it would have been the truth. As audience we would have been OK had EK and CVs shown Jalal being saved by TM or Adgah, but we just cannot digest the NR of Jalal being saved by his begum!

Having said this even I agree that showing Jalal falling to Shenu AM trap is an insult to him , am not sure we have seen the entire side of the story and am hoping Jalal twists this to his benefit. But to say that Jalal being saved by his begum would be insulting to Akbar is not appropriate either.


Somehow I feel in our search for portrayal that perfect Jalal we want to see him as a demi god, without factoring in the contributions others had in his success


I second your views, wonderfully said. I myself came to this forum because of my great appreciation of Akbar, after all how many men do you think come to this forum. I swallow the embarrassment of being the only male in this forum on occasions(when Abhay is not here). Why? Because I gobble up anything on Akbar. But, even I have been surprised at the Akbar Bhakti in this forum, I am a novice in front of these people in their appreciation of Akbar.

Nowadays, I am no longer pleased at this admiration we share, this fanaticism is getting on my nerves. I like to come to this forum to share some pleasant thoughts, and I get bombarded by fresh news that the God Akbar has been desecrated. Some people are not willing to accept that Akbar was a human being who made many foolish mistakes in his life interspersed by periods of brilliance.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: jaskaran.kaur08

hope she doesnt lose ther child in the war.. finger crossed😭😭


she wont dont worry ...if she has been made to fight with cvs ashish then she wont lose her child😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas


Every human being has good and bad points. As you mentioned above, Akbar did all of the above. But, he is also the one who banned the Gutenberg Press. That measure put back scientific research in India by decades, maybe even a century. Akbar was a great liberal as we all know, but he is the one who banned the marriage of Mughal princesses. Can any measure be more cruel?

A human being is complex, one cannot make generalizations. The same man is capable of both incredibly bravery and cowardice, of great insight and foolishness, of total lack of empathy and too much emotion.


In that case, if Akbar's weakness is portrayed as it were nobody would mind in the least. That press or whatever, the cvs can surely portray that too if true. But showing him dumb in the area that he was an expert at - warfare and strategy- is certainly not acceptable.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: chitterati


I am an ardent Akbar fan, and I mean no disrespect to the view points expressed here, but I think we are digressing a bit... Jalal like all leaders would not have ruled over Hindustan by fighting all the wars himself, he would have his generals execute his commands and follow through on this orders. Agreed he was undefeated and was never captured, agreed that he was brave and an excellent strategist, agreed he was the shrewdest politician and kindest of rulers, but to be all of these he had an army of supporters, well wishes and loyalists.
Can any one honestly say that Jalal was never injured in a war , can we claim that in any of the numerous battles he fought he was never saved by another brave loyalist from being captured( and I am not referring to begums or Jo in particular). Realistically, anyone would have had to defeat an army of soldiers and generals before coming close to Shahensha himself. And depiction of this fact would not have been a NR at all, it would have been the truth. As audience we would have been OK had EK and CVs shown Jalal being saved by TM or Adgah, but we just cannot digest the NR of Jalal being saved by his begum!

Having said this even I agree that showing Jalal falling to Shenu AM trap is an insult to him , am not sure we have seen the entire side of the story and am hoping Jalal twists this to his benefit. But to say that Jalal being saved by his begum would be insulting to Akbar is not appropriate either.


Somehow I feel in our search for portrayal that perfect Jalal we want to see him as a demi god, without factoring in the contributions others had in his success


Even in a cricket match the captain gets most of the credits for victory unless there has been some terrific contribution from another player. The organization needs more ability than the action. So even if generals win wars the emperor is the one who deserves the credits.

Again there is no problem regarding jo saving jalal but HOW it is done. Jalal is made to look like a total dunce in the attempt..., he is made to overlook even the basics.

And Donjas, Akbar now is a historical personality. But maano ya na maano he did have a divine status among his subjects during his rule. The hero worship or whatever you call it is a direct result of the heroine worship by the CVs.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#76
arre this is natkiya rupantar😆 😆

why to get hyper???😳😳😳



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sands, Akbar did not take the rajputs into active war till the Jaunpur rebellion in 1565. Before this the rajputs were not a very active part of Akbar's army.


This entire track sucks - CB existence was a falsification, we tolerated it in the name of NR - there is no sister of Akbar named Nigar, another falsification which we tolerated - AM lost every war and battle he waged with Akbar and was captured by Akbar twice and ran for life both times and here we have another falsification of Akbar being captured and tortured by AM and Akbar who managed to fool his enemies through his brilliant strategies is shown as an idiot to fall for the dumbest trick of all and this we are supposed to swallow in the name of NR????

EK and Zee have lost their sense of ethics and have become totally unprincipled to take the audience for a ride just to line their own pockets and we are supposed to take this?????
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas


I second your views, wonderfully said. I myself came to this forum because of my great appreciation of Akbar, after all how many men do you think come to this forum. I swallow the embarrassment of being the only male in this forum on occasions(when Abhay is not here). Why? Because I gobble up anything on Akbar. But, even I have been surprised at the Akbar Bhakti in this forum, I am a novice in front of these people in their appreciation of Akbar.

Nowadays, I am no longer pleased at this admiration we share, this fanaticism is getting on my nerves. I like to come to this forum to share some pleasant thoughts, and I get bombarded by fresh news that the God Akbar has been desecrated. Some people are not willing to accept that Akbar was a human being who made many foolish mistakes in his life interspersed by periods of brilliance.

Hi Donjas,
If you are a man and I admire you that you enjoy such shows.Else men I know think TV is meant for football ,cricket and hollywood films.
Edited by Rashmi81 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#79

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Hi Donjas,
If you are a man and I admire you enjoy such shows.Else men I know think TV is meant for football ,cricket and hollywood films.


Unfortunately, I am not an exception, I watch this show only because of Akbar. I will consume anything that has Akbar in it. I am yet to develop a taste for any other hindi program. Like almost everyone these days, I too am a football fanatic and yes I like big budget Hollywood movies.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas


Unfortunately, I am not an exception, I watch this show only because of Akbar. I will consume anything that has Akbar in it. I am yet to develop a taste for any other hindi program. Like almost everyone these days, I too am a football fanatic and yes I like big budget Hollywood movies.

Good.Happy planning with all your friends for Tomm's finals like most men are doing right now with their friends.

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