Take 5: Top 5 countdown for June 30th; note on pg 7 - Page 4

Originally posted by: munnirony

@divya, ur right. But maybe since its TM evryone is getting emotional. As u said jalal is expected to be perfect so evrytime he becomes the punching bag. Yes ur right jalal cant consider TM's case or leave him coz he had done so much for him bcoz a shahenshah has to take harsh decisions. He decided on the basis of cirmcumstantial evidence which he had done before as well. By taking time I meant delaying the procedure. Maybe by ruku or salima's help he could have tried to observe shehnaaz secretly. If u remember in ruku's MC track where jodha was accused then also HB took 10 days time to investigate. Sumhow jalal should have managed sum time thts my only point. But yes jalal cant be lenient with TM bcoz in sujamal or BB he nd jodha were the victims but here a 3rd person is involved. Wht if sumone questions him why did he left a criminal? But having said tht he didn't gave a death sentence to adham in tasneem case, tht time also jodha was the eye witness.

Sorry Divya but maybe this is the first time I won't agree with ur post. And Divya don't keep even an 1% hope about all this being Jalal's plan. Cause this show is all about Jodha Mahan.
I m angry at Jalal. I can understand all the evidence was against TM. But Jalal knew he was innocent. He could have taken some time and send him to jail. And then investigate the matter. But he gave death sentence to TM only because of Jodha. Because of her bhasan's last day and if he would not she would have again started the bhasans today. Can't he use some brains.
And Jodha. Okay finally I was happy that they showed her do some mistake. But again its the same thing. She herself will create the problem and then solve it.
She put Ja's life in danger in tiger attack and then made the lape and became the hero. Everyone forget about what she did.
Same in the sujamal fiasco she lied to Jalal, hide things from her and then she became the abla nari bechari. Everyone blamed Jalal and forget her part in the MU.
And now again she brought the musibat SN in the palace, she defended her during Rahim and TM fiasco risking Rahim, TM and Jalal's life without thinking about others person's pov. And now just because the storm came, and diya bujh gaya she got TM is not guilty and will find the truth about SN and again became the hero of the day. Everyone will forget that she herself created the problem. What if TM died.
Today only because of Jalal and Jodha's stupidity am innocent was going to die. How would they face TM after this. Jalal brought TM in agra, he saved his life, TM is in trouble because of his ladli wife. It was Jalal's duty to do something for him.
Divya I m fed up with this show. I m expecting all the wrong things from this show. It will always be about Jodha Mahan. In every track Jo will create the problem and she will herself solve it, Jalal will be always dumb, And Jodha will always be the savior of the day. This show is not about Jodha-Akbar the so called epic love story its about Jodha the Mahan.
As Aunty said TM should leave agra after this giving a strong reply to Jo. But I know it won't happen.
And Jalal was right I wish he had not fallen in love cause he got a Heart but lost his brain. And An Emporer without a brain is no use. He should have both heart and brain. I wonder if Jo is doing everything how did the Mughal Sultanat survived before the marriage of Ja and JO.
I think its time for me to leave the show or atleast take a break.

Originally posted by: mishtidoi

@Bold: Tasneem didn't lodge a molestation charge...infact Adham turned the case into marriage alliance with underprivilage to gain points and Tasneem's parents also accepted the alliance and made tasneem accept it too...that was not a molestation case at all.

Ya ur right tht day adham was a better lawyer than jodha nd TM needed a gud defense lawyer. Anyways in tasneem case even though he the judgement responsibility to maham but still he managed to take out sumtime nd did further investigations. So I only wanted him to use sum teda method in this case also thts it.

Originally posted by: munnirony

Ya ur right tht day adham was a better lawyer than jodha nd TM needed a gud defense lawyer. Anyways in tasneem case even though he the judgement responsibility to maham but still he managed to take out sumtime nd did further investigations. So I only wanted him to use sum teda method in this case also thts it.

Yes in Tasneem time he did do the investigation secretly. I wanted him to do the same effort here too.

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Yes in Tasneem time he did do the investigation secretly. I wanted him to do the same effort here too.

Repent and learn from your mistakes sounds very nice, my dear, but what if Todar Mal HAD been blown up? Would you then too say that Jalal and Jodha should simply learn from their mistakes?

I was surprised that Todar Mal's wife did not curse Jodha with something really bad for having had her husband executed on false charges. She should have.

I cannot think of any ruler who would sentence a loyal official to death in cold blood, when he is almost sure that he is not guilty. And how many persons guilty of serious crimes has Jalal let off? The list is endless and I have mentioned many of them in my earlier post on this thread. Did he not have to think then of how the awaam would react?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: divyavm

Yes, both Jalal and Jodha have made a mistake ... But the question is how they both evolve from the situation

I hope to see a repentant Jalal and Jodha ... To err is human, to learn from it is the key ... Jalal for sure will ... And hope to see Jodha as well

Sunny girl, what a marvellous take on the whole mess! Simply superb, especially the parts in blue. Dil khush ho gaya, and believe me, I needed that!

Right now, I detest both Jalal and Jodha, and him more than her.She is what she is,but he is the emperor with the duty of dispensing justice for all, and this is a man who has saved his life. What does he do? Goes to the battlements and weeps for his dil. Well, I do not want to be set off again, so I shall call a halt to this here.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: sun29

divi...jalal and jodha are not novice teenagers anymore..the past one year has been a bucket full of harsh and hard core lessons for both of them and even after that if a person refuses to learn ...they are to be completely blamed and as Shyamala has put it..drown themself in chullu bhar paani

let us see exactly what happened...both jalal and jodha saw shehnaaz battered hurt and she blamed TM...jodha took shehnaaz's side and jalal believed TM

so what happens next...jodha fought tooht and nail for something in which she believed...she had faith that she was right and she stood up and fought

now what does jalal do...brace urself..he drags himself and his aching heart to the tarazu and laments on the heart,feelings,moon,sun and the entire solar system and today some more...and icing on the cake he goes one step more and sentences the man to death within a day ..the one whom he had belief was innocent...

jodha is a lot of things...but the one thing that makes you admire her even if you want to whack her is her determination and strength...the same we saw in benazir track the point at which jala was furious at her...even then she did not move an inch from what she set out to do...

if jalal had to praise any hunar ..it was this..and this is what he should have learnt from her...stand for what you believe...stand strong even if a storm comes...do not waver...

TM is the man who saved his life...does even that not hold??

what Jalal should have done?

after his talk with HB the next day in DEK walks in a determined Emperor...he takes his seat and the accused and the victim are summoned...he takes opinion from the maulvis and then he speaks

"i have heard both the sides of this case and the issue is grave ,the sentence of which is nothing less than death...every circumstantial evidence speaks against TM...and based on evidence it is proved shenaaz is speaking the truth...but...i have learnt from my experience that everything that is seen is not the truth and everything that is heard is not the fact...hence i will be handling this case till my doubts are cleared...untill then TM will be imprisoned and will await my final verdict exactly seven days after today...till then this case is adjourned ..."

without waiiting to see or hear any reaction ..he gets up and walks out of the DEK issuing atgah khan to meet him in private...

and what jodha should have done

when she decided to advocate shehnaaz ..she should have walked over to TM and with utmost respect folded her hands and said...that she is ever thankful for everything he has done for them and her lifelong gratitude shall remain with him for saving ehr husband;s life...today it is her misfortune that she has to take a stand where he is on the other side...the case has been put forth in DEK and she shall put forward shehnaaz voice and her accusation based on the evidence provided...she apologizes if she crosses her maryada with him and then with calm and composure put forward all her points

jodha believing shenu is not unexpected or wrong..in her place if i was there i would have done the same..even today when a woman points a finger at the man for man handling her ..99% believe the woman and only 1% believe that man and that too only his family...this is the first and second thought...it always is the last thought that just maybe the man is innocent and even then how many of us have the courage to voice it out without any evidence and how many will believe that the woman is lying ,she shamed herself in public to take revenge??? and what jodha feels for shenu is not trust or faith but sympathy not only coz she is awoman but she is a mentally challenged woman with the emotional growth of a 5 yr old...this is how jodha knows her and this is how she treats her...so when she sees her abused her maternal instincts tend to rise and then you become emotionally blind to anything other than your child alone and this obsession to protect her at whatever cost...the first and second thought ..i had just hoped that her last thought would be that the man who gave her shelter and respect and many other woman in his ashram ,saved her husband's life could be innocent...

why do you need a bhujtha hua diya to tell you what is right and wrong..God gave man a conscious for that...this is where she majorly disappointed me ...and as for her manners in the court...i never had any hopes on that front from episode one...EK and her team had made a mockery of rajputana aan baan and shaan from day one so ..DEK ninja attack was no major shocker for me...humility ,mildness and conducting oneself with class never feature on the list of any EK heroine be it 16th or 21st century...rajputana women were and are the epitome of grace and royal princesses are all that and more..their true hunar...so no expectation on that front from a EK show...

the other major thing ,jodha was accused and on the verge of being killed by jalal in mc track..there evidence was stacked against her ...hence she knows that it can be manipulated ,hence he knows that it can be manipulated

in benazir track inspite of knowing she is a vishkanya all evidnece supported her innocence...once again both learnt that evidences can be manipulated

in MA track she provided witnesses ,in ruqaiyya FP she threatened the hakim..hence they both know witness can be manipulated

so did they learn anything???sadly no...and even after this will they learn??no

and yes why jalal can never have a plan B..coz then that would take away the chance of showing jodha's heroism...

i am all for naaari shakti and support to each other..but i vehemently oppose the demeaning of a man to uphold any naari power...naari shakti for me was when todarmal's wife stood rock solid for her husband whom she has faith in like a rock...that was the rajputana wife in action ...

after giving him the title of Akbar .within a week you show him in such a weak state with no sense of action...this is nothing but their arrogance that they can get away with anything as long as numbers pour in...EK and her team should be ashamed of the mockery they have made of an Emperor and his queen ...

btw where was SB with her wisdom when both jodha and jala needed it the most and what is the use of discussing the pros and cons of the case over tea if you do not have the guts to stand up and fight the injustice...ruqaiyya did that in mc track but now i have no hopes from her as well...hence it makes no difference what she thinks of this if she cannot act on it...so the scene made no sense to me

and coming to todarmal jee...he is finally suffering from Agraism...a deadly disorder that renders one into an utter fool capable of being responsible for your own folly

he suspects shehnaaz..very good

then he stalks her ...very good

then he enusres that every tom dick harry and their eve see him following a woman ...very very bad

then he confronts the suspect and pours out in detail the itinerary for the next day ...subhan allah

and then he gets trapped and punished and all he can whine is jalal's life is in danger while waiting for the top to udhao him...masha allah

seriously toddy...how does all this lead to saving jalal and capturing shehnaaz...getting urself killed is going to help whom?? 🤔

and this is my venting out finally...😆😆

PS: do not raise your hopes on the precap..it maybe simply that jodha is swatting a mosquito on shehnaaz's cheek and may later apply lep ..remember precaps and promos are always misleading

also we saw naari shkati kapoor in action while she made the little boy hubby tremble in his frock...poor guy puppy eyeing his new daughters...kya se kya ho gaya 😆

That is very sweet of you, my dear, and I would love to have you read my posts as regularly as before. But I do not do separate episode analyses threads here any more; the way this place is run does not suit me. But you can read all my posts in my new abode, and I will make sure you get to know of all the ones I have written in the last 2 months since I stopped writing here. Ok?

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: konron

Oh Shyamalaji ..all this while i have been so sad that you do not post your take on the episodes.😭 Have you been writing on others thread your opinion on the episodes?😲 ( Very difficult to spend time searching all the threads to see where have you posted) Please do not do this to the poor souls like me waiting for posts everyday from You. I have been so so dissapointed about the absense of your threads...I hope you will consider the request from me to write your take on seperate thread...I have time to read very few posts and always make it a point to read posts from YOU, Divya,Mansi and lashy.

My dear girl,

A splendidly angry take that is better than mine. Your last para: my sentiments exactly. And the last line is the best of all.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Sorry Divya but maybe this is the first time I won't agree with ur post. And Divya don't keep even an 1% hope about all this being Jalal's plan. Cause this show is all about Jodha Mahan.
I m angry at Jalal. I can understand all the evidence was against TM. But Jalal knew he was innocent. He could have taken some time and send him to jail. And then investigate the matter. But he gave death sentence to TM only because of Jodha. Because of her bhasan's last day and if he would not she would have again started the bhasans today. Can't he use some brains.
And Jodha. Okay finally I was happy that they showed her do some mistake. But again its the same thing. She herself will create the problem and then solve it.
She put Ja's life in danger in tiger attack and then made the lape and became the hero. Everyone forget about what she did.
Same in the sujamal fiasco she lied to Jalal, hide things from her and then she became the abla nari bechari. Everyone blamed Jalal and forget her part in the MU.
And now again she brought the musibat SN in the palace, she defended her during Rahim and TM fiasco risking Rahim, TM and Jalal's life without thinking about others person's pov. And now just because the storm came, and diya bujh gaya she got TM is not guilty and will find the truth about SN and again became the hero of the day. Everyone will forget that she herself created the problem. What if TM died.
Today only because of Jalal and Jodha's stupidity am innocent was going to die. How would they face TM after this. Jalal brought TM in agra, he saved his life, TM is in trouble because of his ladli wife. It was Jalal's duty to do something for him.
Divya I m fed up with this show. I m expecting all the wrong things from this show. It will always be about Jodha Mahan. In every track Jo will create the problem and she will herself solve it, Jalal will be always dumb, And Jodha will always be the savior of the day. This show is not about Jodha-Akbar the so called epic love story its about Jodha the Mahan.
As Aunty said TM should leave agra after this giving a strong reply to Jo. But I know it won't happen.
And Jalal was right I wish he had not fallen in love cause he got a Heart but lost his brain. And An Emporer without a brain is no use. He should have both heart and brain. I wonder if Jo is doing everything how did the Mughal Sultanat survived before the marriage of Ja and JO.
I think its time for me to leave the show or atleast take a break.