Take 5: Top 5 countdown for June 30th; note on pg 7 - Page 5

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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Shyamala ,thank you so much...and yes more than jodha it was jalal who managed to frustrate me..even after his no act in tasneem track ,i still had a tiny hope especially since he knows the whole story from TM...but oh boy ..there he goes weeping

jodha and jalal of this show have turned into clowns but sadly for us we cannot even laugh at their antics because it hurts ...

love has made a conquering ruler into a sitting duck with a frozen brain ..this should be the new tagline...

or maybe..since the poison track got them maximum numbers..the cvs are planning to make jalal sit next to TM while he is waiting for the thop to blast him off and then howl so that his soul too refuses to leave and go 😆
Edited by sun29 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
I hate how its all Ram Bharose here... they will continue to weep as TM walks right into the 'tope' As of now I am assuming, I dont know history to know that TM indeed served a long respectful innings as a finance minister with jalal?
wait a minute, I had read he had once tried to resign and went on a life long pilgrimage, but Jalal had brought him back with moving words?
Can I be hopeful that Jalal and this time JO TOO(she better- I am grinding my teeth) will go to manao Todarmal and bring him back with full respect restored?.. Can i dream?
Edited by minnie2308 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
in one whole year this is the most crap track i have seen...making akbar the great sound like some senseless king...what the hell was that...how could CV show this to viewer, where the akbar's witty gone.?...coming to jodha i have no words for that queen she is ruled by heart and she does as her heart tell her to do...at least akbar should have thought twice before deciding that her beloved wife is not always true...akbar thought that whenever jodha told him something he disagreed and then at that time she was right so this time he believed her and gave decision regarding her proofs thinking that jodha is right in blaming TM...and now it is opposite of it...this time madam jodha is wrong......i just loved TM and his wife in this whole track...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
A very good attempt at salvaging our lead pair, Divya, but then you are a very clever young lady. Only, I do not buy any of it.

Jalal is the emperor, the supreme authority with power of life and death over everyone. So he has to be all of it - investigator, jury and judge, for the buck stops with him. That degree of overall responsibility goes with the territory.

If he cannot cope with it, he should quit and go and sit in an ashram with his beloved Jodha Begum. Watching him feel sorry for himself on the terrace brought out all my worst instincts. I hate lachrymose men who weep for themselves, and then an emperor weeping over his own weakness is the limit.

Don't nourish any false hopes about Jalal activating any grey cells he has left. I had been, foolishly, of course, dead sure that the sentencing was a put on job between Jalal and Todar Mal. The precap taught me otherwise, This is not Adiana's TE. This is a weepy jellyfish, not the one with stings.

What if Todar Mal had been executed? Would you then just say that Jalal and Jodha should learn from their mistakes? Mistakes??

An emperor has to be able to assess character. Why does Jalal not execute Jodha at once for infidelity in the fake pregnancy case? Because he feels instinctively that she is innocent and then he sets out to get the evidence for it, and he does get it.

Why, pray, can he not get similar evidence in this case? He only has to suspend the case till he is satisfied, and then have someone discreet shadow Shehnaaz. In 10 days, he would have found out a lot. A baandi can eavesdrop easily on her self-congratulatory outbursts and her colloquiums with Mahaam. Her room can be searched. Shehnaaz is not all that clever, and she has to keep snooping around all sorts of hoojre for that farmaan. Why can she not be caught on one of those expeditions and grilled? Don't say it is not possible, Divya, just to try and get Jalal off the hook.

As for your take on the mahaepisode, what would be left if you left Jodha playing lawyer for the defence out of it, not to speak of the so-called bedroom scene? My point is that these days, if one wants to rejoice about an episode, one has to go about with a magnifying glass to find the plus points.

This said, my dear, I read your Take 5s, and comment on them, for you. because I like you so much. Whether you do them or not, I would not have to read them if I did not want to, would I? Only I wish I could, as in the older days, agree more with you.

Anyhow, there was one point on which I did agree with you even here, and that was about the way Todar Mal conducted himself in the DEK. He was stoic and brave and noble.

Jalal looked hunted, incapable and cowardly; he literally ran away from the DEK and would not look Todar Mal in the face. The old Jalal was far more involved and concerned even for a baandi, Motibai, and this was when he has no soft corner for Jodha at all. Why does he do nothing like that now for this man to whom he owes so much?

And don't talk to me of relationships not being taken into account when Jalal dispenses justice, that is hogwash. He bends the rules all the time for his family and for Jodha. If anyone other than Abul Mali or Sharifuddin had done what they did, they would have been executed for high treason without a second thought.

Jodha was rigid, vengeful and graceless; as a true blue Rajvanshi, something she never fails to mention, why can Jodha not understand the stoic courage of Todar Mal's wife? That comment of hers to Moti was pathetic.

As for the rest, I found sun29's take on the whole nearly perfect, much better than my own. As she has correctly pointed out, Jalal and Jodha have by now had more than enough experience with cooked up evidence and lying witnesses, and he should have been far less ready to believe such contrived circumstantial evidence.

To take only a most recent case, as I wrote on Ela's thread 2 days ago, the case of Jodha-Sujamal and Todar Mal-Shehnaaz are similar in the sense of what was seen not being what actually happened. Of course Jodha demands that Jalal not misuderstand her on the basis of what was seen, but here she does exactly the same thing as Jalal did then with far greater justification. And it never occurs to her to look back at her own case and wonder, at least for an instant, whether the so-called evidence was not what it seemed to be at all.

But as sun29 says, neither Jalal nor Jodha will ever learn anything, from those earlier cases or from this one. Even if Todar Mal had been blown up. Jodha has such a cast iron armour of self-righteousness that she would soon have convinced herself that it was not her fault at all, and Jalal would have agreed, and all would have been hunky dory.

Except for Todar Mal's wife of course, and she would have been out of their sight in Mathura, so that too would have been ok for our imperial couple who would have got on with manufacturing Salim's predecessors in the angoori bagh, for there seems to be nowhere else that they are even reasonably close! Or perhaps the stork brought them in the time honoured fashion.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: divyavm

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Some hopes!

Shyamala Aunty

i know high hopes 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: divyavm



Yes, both Jalal and Jodha have made a mistake ... But the question is how they both evolve from the situation

I hope to see a repentant Jalal and Jodha ... To err is human, to learn from it is the key ... Jalal for sure will ... And hope to see Jodha as well

i know jalal for sure will regret and repent
but i have 100 % doubt if jodha will do so
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well jalal couldn't have taken time in DEK itself if he was really suspecting shehnaaz bcoz then shehnaaz could have been careful. If he was really teda he should have given TM death sentence just to confuse shehnaaz. But if takes time in public then shehnaaz wont be caught at any cost. Suppose if jalal had taken the 7 days time shehnaaz will be in the best of her behavior bcoz there is nothing else to investigate except whether shehnaaz is mad or not. So he could have actually made a proper plan which unfortunately CVs will never show.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sorry Divya but maybe this is the first time I won't agree with ur post. And Divya don't keep even an 1% hope about all this being Jalal's plan. Cause this show is all about Jodha Mahan.
I m angry at Jalal. I can understand all the evidence was against TM. But Jalal knew he was innocent. He could have taken some time and send him to jail. And then investigate the matter. But he gave death sentence to TM only because of Jodha. Because of her bhasan's last day and if he would not she would have again started the bhasans today. Can't he use some brains.
And Jodha. Okay finally I was happy that they showed her do some mistake. But again its the same thing. She herself will create the problem and then solve it.
She put Ja's life in danger in tiger attack and then made the lape and became the hero. Everyone forget about what she did.
Same in the sujamal fiasco she lied to Jalal, hide things from her and then she became the abla nari bechari. Everyone blamed Jalal and forget her part in the MU.
And now again she brought the musibat SN in the palace, she defended her during Rahim and TM fiasco risking Rahim, TM and Jalal's life without thinking about others person's pov. And now just because the storm came, and diya bujh gaya she got TM is not guilty and will find the truth about SN and again became the hero of the day. Everyone will forget that she herself created the problem. What if TM died.
Today only because of Jalal and Jodha's stupidity am innocent was going to die. How would they face TM after this. Jalal brought TM in agra, he saved his life, TM is in trouble because of his ladli wife. It was Jalal's duty to do something for him.
Divya I m fed up with this show. I m expecting all the wrong things from this show. It will always be about Jodha Mahan. In every track Jo will create the problem and she will herself solve it, Jalal will be always dumb, And Jodha will always be the savior of the day. This show is not about Jodha-Akbar the so called epic love story its about Jodha the Mahan.
As Aunty said TM should leave agra after this giving a strong reply to Jo. But I know it won't happen.
And Jalal was right I wish he had not fallen in love cause he got a Heart but lost his brain. And An Emporer without a brain is no use. He should have both heart and brain. I wonder if Jo is doing everything how did the Mughal Sultanat survived before the marriage of Ja and JO.
I think its time for me to leave the show or atleast take a break.


Fabulous take, buddy...agree with every word of yours 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi All- Sorry, I have not been able to respond to all the posts individually. I have been feeling very sick this morning- likely courtesy the climate change from Bangalore to Chennai.

And, I also felt similar points were being raised across all posts so thought it would be better if I addressed them in one post.

- I think my poetic justice comment may have been misunderstood: all I was saying was this track was showing Jodha having the same faults as Jalal ... Misjudging character. I am not blaming her for Jalal's decision.

- But, to me , saying a character has a fault does not mean I do not like the character ... To err is human, to repent and learn from it is greatness. And Jalal always repents and reflects and maybe that is why I may have a soft corner for Jalal. And I would like Jodha do the same. And the past is not always a predictor of the future so I have hope. I also feel there is no point in getting angry about something that has not happened yet.

- To me consistency is very important - and yes, feel free to call me out If I am not consistent; some folks who were livid at Jalal for misjudging Jodha's character are much more tame in their criticism of Jodha , that she needs to learn to not trust blindly. The people who said Jalal deserves Maham Anga are not saying that Jodha deserves only Shehnaaz. I defended Jalal back then, and say again Jodha is a victim of a circumstances and as long as she shows learning I am fine with it just as I was fine when Jalal repented.

Similarly, those who have understood Jalal's circumstances in the past whether it was Ruq's MC or misunderstanding Jodha, suddenly have no sympathies for Jalal? In each of these cases he could have investigated more and he based things on circumstantial evidence. In Ruq's MC track he gave more time after Ruq's agreed to it. And there was a chance Jodha could have been killed every time.

What is different this time? Is it because he listened to Jodha? Is it because his heart tells him he is wrong and yet he went with the evidences? Is it because we feel for Todarmal?

- Jalal's investigation or lack thereof: First, I am not sure in this case if Jalal is sitting as a judge or a defense attorney. He is a judge, first and foremost.

It was Todarmal's responsibility to defend himself ... When Jalal came to Todarmal to say he didn't doubt him, but we need to find a way to defend this in the DEK, did Todarmal, who is equally intelligent, have any ideas? Why only blame Jalal?

What proof has Shehnaaz left behind? If Jalal had asked for more time, wouldn't she know she was being doubted and be extra careful. There are no psychologists to prove she was mentally sound. If Jalal left a spy, would Shehnaaz do anything silly? Even if she did, wouldn't Jodha argue the spy was planted or misheard the Shehnaaz? No photographs or video recordings possible. That is why, only Jodha or Jalal hearing Shehnaaz's truth would work.

That is why I have this hope that Jalal's plan is to make Shehnaaz lose her guard. But in which case, he should have postponed the sentence. Agreed, he has erred under pressure to do justice.

But, as a judge it is much harder to put your point of view strongly than as a defense attorney.

- Jalal's justice: In the serial has been flawed as ever. He forgives his relatives and the only difference is as the primary victim he is allowed to forgive them. He cannot forgive Todarmal on Shehnaaz's behalf.

But let's look at Jalal's history: He will let go of a family as he feels bad for a young boy ... He will have a pregnant woman stoned to death for infidelity as he was mad at Jodha during the fake pregnancy track but he will let one of his own women in his harem go for the same crime.

And the past few cases in the DEK have been for crimes against him, where Jalal has more leeway. Here he does not.

- On Hamida Bano, I continue to feel she gives the most conflicting advice. This is what she sounds like: When it comes to Jodha don't go by hard evidence, but everyone else like Todarmal consider hard evidence. And then with Maham Anga, also consider her service to the sultanate when he wants to focus on the hard facts.

- On Ruqaiyya, If you can praise her for recognizing Todarmal's service to the sultanate then Jalal deserves the same praise for not doubting Todarmal yesterday. The intention is there for both but neither could do anything to help him. Ruqaiyya is the head of the harem ... She is also concerned for Jalal's life, did she put a spy after Shehnaaz? First Moti, now Shehnaaz, these incidents happen on the harem she runs and she does absolutely nothing.

You can see have pulled flaws in all the characters from Hamida Bano to my favorite Todarmal. But flawed is life, and flawed is this serial. And I continue to watch this show for the bits and pieces I enjoy. You will never get perfect characters or perfect tracks in serial land.

There are certain laws of serials - where no evidence will ever be genuine , and evidence will need evidence. No innocent will ever die. The characters will always be flawed. So, the serial can drag on and on and on.

Ironically, I believe this is my most controversial take till date but I wanted to share what was on my mind. That being said,I always respect and consider all POV and welcome them on this thread. I hope you all feel welcome to share it as well.

The irony being this will be my last take ... Not due to frustrations with the show, but practical reasons- heading back to the US. And looks I didn't make anyone happy for my last take ... But on the flipside, maybe you won't miss the take much then.

But please continue your comments ... Guys, I am not saying Jodha and Jalal are brilliant but I am not sure what has changed. Your comments on them have definitely given me a good chuckle!

In the meantime, think I should become Todarmal's defense attorney! 😉

Edited by divyavm - 11 years ago

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