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Originally posted by: aashyagh

Nicely put Adi👏

Originally posted by: adianasr

Hi mandy, just saw your thread and all the comments on it.

Jeannie, sweetheart a big hug 🤗 for your post - bang on!!!!

As for the Q mandy - Jodha needed an impetus to believe Jalal - and belief is not faith - and Jodha may claim to Love Jalal but she is not 'In Love' with him - not yet - and not until belief dissolves into faith.

As for Jalal - if you remember from the time of the attempted suicide of Jodha, Jalal has had belief in Jodha - not faith - becoz faith cannot be on a person - Faith is Love - and Love comes from within, from the Self - and when one is 'In Love', one is 'In Faith' - and at this point belief dissolves into Faith - for Jalal that has happened - not when he got to know the facts of the Sujamal fiasco - it happened when he left Amer, after Jodha refused to return - that was the moment when his belief became Faith - and I did say this then that now he no longer needs her with him, becoz he has surrendered himself to Love - yes her being with him will give him happiness but her not being with him will no longer make him stagnant - and sure enuff he has been marching on his path making his journey - and nothing and no one will be able to stop him now.

Love cannot be measured, but then one has to be 'In Love' - and being 'In Love' is being 'In Faith' - Jodha has not reached here yet - and as of now I will not comment on whether she will or will not - I leave that for the Universe to decide.

Very well said! You are absolutely right. They have not depicted Jodha as a likable character. Akbar has constantly displayed his touching love for her again and again --- giving back her chamber when Rukkaiya wanted her to shift, learning to remove his sandals before entering her room, bringing her back to life with group prayers and a heart breaking appeal to God when she had consumed poison and many other instances.

On the other hand, she creates suspicion in his mind by going against laid down disciplines for royal Begums (secretly going out in the dark of night) and we hear her say that Jalal is filled with ahankar' and as you say she now wants to go back because of his actions. Once again it is Akbar who scores on love by bringing in changes in rules only to please his Hindu Begum.

I too don't understand how Jodha and Akbar's love went down in history.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

beautifully wriiten

you know many couples husband works abroad and wife stays in india for years 10-20-30 years

and still they remain in love they remain loyal despite meeting may be 15 days in a year or a month in 2 years. That is kind of true love where you are away for ages and stay in love and stay loyal.

so jalal has reached that kind of love already where jodha is there or not does not matter, she is in his heart, mind and soul. Just looking a flower or moon is enough for him and talking to them makes him feel he spoke to jodha

That kind of love is rare but is true pure love divine loveee

Originally posted by: thisisforyou

Very well said! You are absolutely right. They have not depicted Jodha as a likable character. Akbar has constantly displayed his touching love for her again and again --- giving back her chamber when Rukkaiya wanted her to shift, learning to remove his sandals before entering her room, bringing her back to life with group prayers and a heart breaking appeal to God when she had consumed poison and many other instances.

On the other hand, she creates suspicion in his mind by going against laid down disciplines for royal Begums (secretly going out in the dark of night) and we hear her say that Jalal is filled with ahankar' and as you say she now wants to go back because of his actions. Once again it is Akbar who scores on love by bringing in changes in rules only to please his Hindu Begum.

I too don't understand how Jodha and Akbar's love went down in history.

Originally posted by: JeannieJA

Hi Mandy 🤗

I did a big post again but it is kind of expected of me now to chalta hai 🤣

Firstly to I am so so so so tired of people bringing in past one year ka instances and 450 years pehle ka real people ka history to justify this reel Jodha ka actions. It getting too old now and childish to boot. Its like my school best friend (who I am really close to) and me having a big fight and me being immature enough to bring in something that happened in school to justify my stand in the fight. Silly right 🤪 Past is gone, future has not happened, lets talk about the present shall we??? 😆

The only point in the serial where I felt Jodha was beginning to fall in love with Jalal is during the Ben track and Badal Kajri track. Right now in this present track looking at her actions, expressions and words?? No I do not feel Jodha loves Jalal or at least not the "adhik prem" or "bohot prem" that she keeps talking about, bolne ko to main bhi bohot bolun karke dikhao to log maanenge na. 😆 I believe in seeing and also listening to believe, assumptions na not for me 😆

Justifications given by some using past instances, so I answer with the past 😃

Jodha started believing Jalal had a heart but with him doubting her she again felt he has no heart.

Bhai heart hai ki jaadugar, abhi there then not and then there it is. Jodha is the only one who can lose faith?? Is Jalal not allowed to lose faith in Jodha with proofs? Was he not listening to his heart when he went from Agra to Amer to Ajmer to Mathura to Amer to get Jodha to come back with him to Agra? Why does it take him forgiving her sister and removing the tirth kar for hindus and listening to jayjaykar from people to get her faith back in him? What's the connection? 😕

Jodha loves him so much that she wants him to be the best king and best emperor, she wanted him changed coz she loves him.

People Jodha was after him for her reforms even in her ghrina mode. It has nothing to do with him, it is to do with the good of the people which she has always fought for. Wanting the best for the person u love or with love changing the person u love is a very different matter than realizing u love someone because they did good for the people ignoring all the good they did for you. Its like the policy keep your professional and personal life separate. We want Jodha to be a wife to Jalal when together and the Queen when in front of people.

Jodha not being able to love Jalal bcoz of the tax he levied on her people.

Well we were never shown her having any problems with Jalal for the same in the past, even in the flashback she did not seem to have a problem ulta badal kajri track it was Jalal who was more shocked or angry bcoz of this track.

This is not a normal marriage, polygamy and all.

Well this was not an exception in the 16th century. Did no one in Jodha's family have a polygamous marriage? Had she not seen them?

She drank poison for love

Well when u keep saying it was kartavya, it was patnidharm again and again and again people will believe it. When you never act like you are in love but always keep harping about kartavya people will believe it. But he still keeps on questioning her why she did it coz he believes she did it bcoz she loves him but the poor guy till date only got the kartavya jaap.

Jalal's love is unconditional coz like he said in Amer Jodha better remember that this MU happened coz of her, he is completely aware of her part in this MU , her mistakes but he loves her, cries for her, blames himself for all despite of that. He is not sitting around for her to do reforms for him to forgive her. He holds love higher than her apology or grand gestures from her.

Even when Jalal was in his ego in the Ben track, all his attention, all his thoughts, all his plans were on and for Jodha, nobody unless they have some serious khunnas with Jalal could doubt his love or beginning of love for Jodha then. He still believed her in the Shivani fiasco, he still listened about Ben and tested Ben, he still got her her hojra back. He said I wont see you even if u died, we all saw what he did when she was on her death bed. None of Jodha's well wishers like HB or SB did even .1% of what Jalal did then unlike Jodha who sees Jalal hurt in her room in this track, pouts and goes and asks her dad why is he in her room. 😆

Jalal needs to confess his love for Jodha to get confident and reciprocate his love?? yeh kya hota hai?? you dont need to have confirmation of love from the other side when u fall in love, that's just too funny to even think about. You just fall in love and with your love maybe the other would fall in love with u too, u dont wait for the other person to confess it first 😆

16th century mein vachans are valued more than life??? ummm weren't shaadi ke vachans the biggest vachans a woman ever took in her life in the 16th century, wasn't her pati supposed to be pati parmeshvar? didn't women touch their husbands feet then, didn't mainavati say main to hukum ke peeche chalu hoon in epi 2 or 3. u know to be a support system, a helping hand for ur husband when he falls. 16th century stuff all this na?? how many did Jodha nibhao??? 😆

Like I had said so far Jodha only accepted her bhool in being stubborn and not going with him when he begged her to, she still has not come out and apologized or realized her hand in the MU, so yea not there yet 😃

And yes with the way Jodha is going, this show is all about Jalal's Epic Love for me, fingers crossed Jodha gets there but if not I will keep seeing Jalal's Epic Love and be happy 😃❤️

Originally posted by: aashyagh

Jeanie, fantastic, fabulous, lovely👏. I know, still people will bring in other issues like Ruq, MA into this and argue😆. But, bottom line is Jalal is clear about his feelings and Jodha likes the idea of being in love with a perfect king, ( as of now, that's how it is portrayed). Jalal was in love with her even before Ben track and he did almost confess in Jodha's hojra on the Dhakka episode and the Dhakka affected his ego, feelings and why not? A man, who always had women behind him seeking attention, was pushed by a woman, he was in love with. After Ben track, his love reached another level. But I don't see much difference in Jodha, infact with every event, her feelings take her backwards. Hope, we get to see it moving forward from now onwards. If it does, I m ready to let go the reason she decided to to come back to Agra.

Originally posted by: amina1

As she said before he doent have a heart so its like for her he was as well dead remember the sword fight she said she cannot kill a heartless person,according to her one doesny have a heart he doesnt have feeling so thus she thinks he has a heart now,she has a love hate relationship with him he loves her for who she is but she loves not the man but this shahensha sad but true,but to me the real jodha must have loved him isnt she the only one buried next to him,to me she must have loved him