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Posted: 11 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

Hey Mandyg,

I am in no way in favor of jodha behaving the way she has been doing in the last few weeks but I do feel in general love takes time to grow. It goes thru stages and takes time to develop into unconditional love. It is true that she is at fault for taking her ego and not listening to him when he apologised but she did accept she loves him even when she left him and was alone on the streets of mathura or even after jalal left amer before all this teerthkar happened. She just wasn't ready to let go of her ego but she has accepted that she was at fault and wants to correct her mistake. I guess sometimes when we love someone we end up having higher n sometimes unreasonable expectations from that person and want him to trust us regardless of what the circumstances r. I know it's not fair but then love hardly ever is. He has already reached a stage of love which is devoid of ego as far as u conditional goes that we will see as story goes further but she is behind him and will reach there soon. Even in arranged marriages couples do fall in love but egos and lack of trust do play a part there too. So just wait for some time and I m sure she will be as much in love with him as he is now.



very well said👏..i hope that cvz do full justice to their scenes together..u have very well put the thoughts together in one paragraph..her love needs to grow and hopefully with time it will grow more and become unconditional...!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: peepu

Hey mandy,

See jodha here is saying I've realised my mistake. .I took my hath to charam seema.
Means she has realised that jalal has travelled all the way in love..she's too far behind lost in her own cow web of kartavya, decisions and indecisons.
Jalal is a straight forward man...if he errs in a grand way he has the guts to owe the responsibility and mend it in a grander way.
He has not forgiven tax due to jodha it was due to his intellect and now a very sensitive heart he took that decision.
Jodha is now coming as she has to travel faster than jalal in journey of love and she wants to catch him for sure.
If jodha is in this spirit its good...I can wait for an episode. .but now she has to be head over heels in love .
And yes she loves him but is sensitive about her position in jalals life..now she has to be assertive and possessive...who's stopping jalals always in..
This platonic version of love has to be dropped now...and believe me it drives me mad.




another beautiful piece of writing!..i think the real unconditional love should start now from jodha's side..and u r rt enough of platonic love😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#83
agree dear. 😊 i was waiting for these type of positive comment to reply. coz every time i see criticizing jodha without understanding her. but what u said is true ...
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unconditional love ?😆 there is no any unconditional love in reality. so y do we expect it in this serial ? 😕 and don't forget, jalal started more loving and caring her after she saved his life from ben. otherwise he wouldn't express his feelings like this. so where is jalal's unconditional love ? 🤢 i am not going to criticize jalal here. but just said that u cant expect it from jodha's side now. but becoz she didnt express her feelings yet and don't forget she is not fully in love with him. there is a long future for them. they will express nd show their love. but in this stage jodha doesn't understand her love nd duty. she is confused. and within a 1 year of their marriage, they slowly understand their good and bad points . thats better, bcoz this is not a normal arranged marriage. she get forced to marry him when she hates him. at that time jalal's name was enough her to kill him. but she dint. 😳😆 ...so how can we easily expect her to express her feelings like jallu did. ( jalal didnt hate her, he wanted to win her and again he wanted to win this women, not her heart) but slowly he understand what jodha means to him. he discovered his hidden heart... etc.. he is fast . thats true,! but jodha still in confused with his behavior bcoz he is a volcano type man.😆 so i don't blame jodha, coz she should understand , he is not the same person who used to be. and one thing i must say, we viewers can criticize their love bcoz we see both of them on screen, their feelings.. etc. but how the hell she knows/sees that jallu's tears, sadness nd whtever inner feelings . how can she believe his love for her? as viewers we know his love. (unconditional love of jallu ? no still i don't believe)😆 but jodha doesn't know his so called unconditional love..🤣 just wait and watch. yet to b come.may b u can see so called unconditional love.😆 but i dnt want unconditional one. i can enjoy their love with some conditions. thats reality😊 and finally don't compare rukku's love and jodha's love.. yuuk 🤢useless ...tim wasting. everyone knows her love. 😆 now dnt bash me. don't hit me. i just said what i wanted to say. its ma opinion . i m a silent viewer ( sometimes😆) this time i couldn't stop myself . thank u! ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: smile.sara

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mandy I m arguing on your thread at 2 am and u even not replying me... I m going to sleep ... if u want to, pls tell her tht we the jalal fans never say he was absolutely right in benz track , we always said he failed as king as administrator and as soldier in tht track ... we always said his spy system was n is ridiculous... we always admired jodha in tht track we just argued tht time tht Akbar is not any fictional character or property of CV to butcher this master mind great emperor to this extend how they did to him in tht bez track but she is keep arguing me on tht benz track rather talking about this track ...
the people who don't want to listen I cant do any thing for them ...SB is jodha friend or sister like figure but jalal in DEK is king he cant act with out proofs even now after so much LOVE if there is no proof against or for jodha it will be very difficult for him as a king to deny proofs in DEK ...
we cant deny the very fact tht this is not a story of ordinary husband wife ... jala is king she is not equal to him as his queen and wife ...she has to take this fact she is obliged to not hide any thing to her king and husband and as king he is not obliged to share every thing to her
from me thanx and good night ...who ever from my co jalal fans want to argue her pls feel free to do



sara, i had gone to feed my teenage baby, and i did reply yaar..this is also ur thread, tune reply kiya maine kiya ek hi baat hai...!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: varshaakulkarni


@mandy ...I agree ... But one more fiasco ... N boom... !!!! She will be back to ghrina mode ... With her hopeless expressions😡... Mark my words !!!!

@deepi04 - logic ??? In Ekta' serial...??? Forget it my dear ...???? Btw I need a very very big , clear cut explanation of jodha's version of "Prem" , "Bahaut Prem" & "Adhik Prem " from the cv's ... Seriously saying, m quite confused with jodha's conclusions, illusions n definition about her " Prem towards TE" ... Coz till now I have only seen her ranting "hum unse ghrina karate hain , n now she doesn't " 😡next is "humne apna patni hone ka kartavya nibhaya hai"🤢... I am sorry cv's , I don't remember any episodes where she felt a pinch of love towards jallu , till the letter episode in which she mentioned abt her ghrina ke khichad mein prem ka kamal khilne hi laga tha ki aapne_______ 😡 N I was like what the hell ... When on earth did her prem ka kamal khilgaya for jalal ... I never felt it in a single episode...😲 ...


na na, logic kabhi kabaar nikalta hai EK ki shows mein 😆 I thought Jallu's actions in the 4th April outburst were very logical. Any man with the slightest hint of knowledge about logic would be able to put two (midnight strolls to an unknown man in a hut) and two (bhaashans on kartavye, no love + lies about the midnight strolls) together and react like Jallu did, albeit for 16th century standards it should have been much worse.

Seee that's exactly what I'm saying, her dialogues and how she is portrayed are hardly ever in sync 😆 we are not shown any love, only kartavye dialogues on repeat and suddenly they change it to 'prem' 😕 why are we forced to listen to prem dialogues if this 'prem' was never shown 😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: varshaakulkarni


@ mandy ... 👏 To add , he trusted her in the Murti kaand ... Plus jallu's trust survived till her 4 consecutive midnight strolls with a stranger though we knw it was her cartoon bhaisa , but jalal didn't ... He kept his cool till bhaisa entered as khwaja sera ... Even in the fake pregnancy track , though they didn't have good relation but still jalal acted as a silent supporter for jodha ... Which was indeed commendable ... Gave sukanya his most favorite fort ...etc etc . N hemakeerti ...the list goes on n on ... To prove jala's unconditional love for jodha ... What else do u want ... Hmmm ...???



..and not to forget my most hateful scene the fake death scene..he was willing to do such a thing for her publicly..won't that be unconditional!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: munnirony

ok lets see it in sum other way. actually for jodha jalal is the most perfect person now. when jodha arrived in agra she had many misconceptions about jalal. but one by one jalal had removed all her misconceptions. on her b'day itself she had admitted tht jalal always proves her wrong of course in a gud way. jalal had done many things which no husband tht too in the 16th century will not even think off. so for her jalal is the one ultimate man who is different from all other men. so her expectations r higher as well from him thts why she is too critical towards him. we may argue tht whether its fair or not but the truth is tht even real jodha also took her time to accept jalal & even she also melted completely after the pilgrim tax abolition.



good points munni👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
#88
you have excatly on the point that is hurting to all the fans of jodha akbar
from starting of the show i am seen only jalal transforming for good
i have never seen jodha go through any change to adjust for anything that really good for nothing why ???
talking about love this is one sided epic love story from jalal side
my set of mind was that if god also come say to jodha then also she will not come for jalal at any cost
that have happened
jodha coming for her own interest coz jalal have repented shivani
tax is removed
want ask her are u coming for your husband jalal
or for that person that have change the system for ppl in kingdom
and hows a king of hindustan and and u r his begum not wife according to me from this track
when jalal was a loyal husband leaving everything for u just to say sorry what you did i fail to understand this
really

what at that tym
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Posted: 11 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: dush123

agree dear. 😊 i was waiting for these type of positive comment to reply. coz every time i see criticizing jodha without understanding her. but what u said is true ...

but we are trying to understand her POV na 😆 it's just that we don't want to understand her based on everyone's analysis and assumptions about what or how she's feeling every time, we should be able to see it for ourselves on screen like we do for Jallu
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unconditional love ?😆 there is no any unconditional love in reality. so y do we expect it in this serial ? 😕
because we were promised an 'epic love story' and historically the relationship between MUZ and Akbar is commendable, so why should we not expect it here??

and don't forget, jalal started more loving and caring her after she saved his life from ben. otherwise he wouldn't express his feelings like this. so where is jalal's unconditional love ? 🤢

Noo, Jalal was also caring and loving after Jo's suicide attempt. The only difference is that at that time Jo was in her 100% ghrina mode so Jalal couldn't go around being a goody two shoe, he handled her in the way he thought appropriate. But you're forgetting that he didn't purposely try to insult her after the suicide attempt, so he was caring towards her and he cared about her emotions and whether he hurt her. And Jalal's unconditional love has always been shown properly. No one would give their most prized and emotionally valuable possession to one of their many begum's sister without expecting anything from her, unless it was an act of unconditional love. True, Jalal did not know or fully realise at that time that he was falling in love. His love has always from the start been shown to be unconditional. Anyways, that's just one example of many.

i am not going to criticize jalal here. but just said that u cant expect it from jodha's side now. but becoz she didnt express her feelings yet and don't forget she is not fully in love with him. there is a long future for them. they will express nd show their love. but in this stage jodha doesn't understand her love nd duty. she is confused. and within a 1 year of their marriage, they slowly understand their good and bad points . thats better, bcoz this is not a normal arranged marriage. she get forced to marry him when she hates him. at that time jalal's name was enough her to kill him. but she dint. 😳😆 ...so how can we easily expect her to express her feelings like jallu did.

I agree 👍🏼 but our problem here isn't her not accepting or admitting her love straight away, it's the lack of emotions portrayed by Jo in her journey of love that's bothering everyone. Her execution in scenes which are meant to show her 'love' haven't been in sync with her 'kartavye' rants. We'll believe what we are shown, but you can't suddenly add a dialogue like "prem bohut adhik badh gaya hai" without any previous actions being shown to be out of love and not kartavye

( jalal didnt hate her, he wanted to win her and again he wanted to win this women, not her heart) but slowly he understand what jodha means to him. he discovered his hidden heart... etc.. he is fast . thats true,! but jodha still in confused with his behavior bcoz he is a volcano type man.😆

no he isn't 😆 if he was, he would have exploded the second he saw her meeting a gair mard, but he didn't explode until he was forced to by her silence and her previous lies about her midnight strolls along with the physical evidence in front of him as a khwaja shera 😆

so i don't blame jodha, coz she should understand , he is not the same person who used to be. and one thing i must say, we viewers can criticize their love bcoz we see both of them on screen, their feelings.. etc. but how the hell she knows/sees that jallu's tears, sadness nd whtever inner feelings . how can she believe his love for her? as viewers we know his love. (unconditional love of jallu ? no still i don't believe)😆 but jodha doesn't know his so called unconditional love..🤣 just wait and watch. yet to b come.may b u can see so called unconditional love.😆 but i dnt want unconditional one. i can enjoy their love with some conditions. thats reality😊

we're not criticising their love. If Jodha thinks she loves Jalal a lot, then fine, she is entitled to her own opinion 😆 the problem is, that why aren't we shown this love?? Where is this love from her side that has suddenly increased?? All we've been fed in this show is ghrina and then kartavye 😆 it's an epic love story, conditions nahi hona chahiye.

and finally don't compare rukku's love and jodha's love.. yuuk 🤢useless ...tim wasting. everyone knows her love. 😆 now dnt bash me. don't hit me. i just said what i wanted to say. its ma opinion . i m a silent viewer ( sometimes😆) this time i couldn't stop myself . thank u! ...

Ruks does love Jalal, whether we deny it or accept it doesn't change the fact that she does. It's definitely conditional love, and maybe at times she loves the Shahenshah more than Jalal. And Jo returning to Agra after the Shahenshah makes a decision that defines him as a good ruler, rather than for her husband Jalal who does love her unconditionally, well then her and Ruks are at equal level, and their love can be compared at this stage 😆

your welcome 😊

Edited by deepi04 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: mandyg



good points munni👍🏼

i agree with u here
that every wife think that her husband is perfect and worlds best man
and jalal is no doubt
but why after this only
what kinda of love is this that
u can accept the person with his good and as well as bad deed
make him to suffer is only the way to do so
no

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