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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mandy 🤗

I did a big post again but it is kind of expected of me now to chalta hai 🤣

Firstly to I am so so so so tired of people bringing in past one year ka instances and 450 years pehle ka real people ka history to justify this reel Jodha ka actions. It getting too old now and childish to boot. Its like my school best friend (who I am really close to) and me having a big fight and me being immature enough to bring in something that happened in school to justify my stand in the fight. Silly right 🤪 Past is gone, future has not happened, lets talk about the present shall we??? 😆

The only point in the serial where I felt Jodha was beginning to fall in love with Jalal is during the Ben track and Badal Kajri track. Right now in this present track looking at her actions, expressions and words?? No I do not feel Jodha loves Jalal or at least not the "adhik prem" or "bohot prem" that she keeps talking about, bolne ko to main bhi bohot bolun karke dikhao to log maanenge na. 😆 I believe in seeing and also listening to believe, assumptions na not for me 😆

Justifications given by some using past instances, so I answer with the past 😃
Jodha started believing Jalal had a heart but with him doubting her she again felt he has no heart.
Bhai heart hai ki jaadugar, abhi there then not and then there it is. Jodha is the only one who can lose faith?? Is Jalal not allowed to lose faith in Jodha with proofs? Was he not listening to his heart when he went from Agra to Amer to Ajmer to Mathura to Amer to get Jodha to come back with him to Agra? Why does it take him forgiving her sister and removing the tirth kar for hindus and listening to jayjaykar from people to get her faith back in him? What's the connection? 😕

Jodha loves him so much that she wants him to be the best king and best emperor, she wanted him changed coz she loves him.
People Jodha was after him for her reforms even in her ghrina mode. It has nothing to do with him, it is to do with the good of the people which she has always fought for. Wanting the best for the person u love or with love changing the person u love is a very different matter than realizing u love someone because they did good for the people ignoring all the good they did for you. Its like the policy keep your professional and personal life separate. We want Jodha to be a wife to Jalal when together and the Queen when in front of people.

Jodha not being able to love Jalal bcoz of the tax he levied on her people.
Well we were never shown her having any problems with Jalal for the same in the past, even in the flashback she did not seem to have a problem ulta badal kajri track it was Jalal who was more shocked or angry bcoz of this track.

This is not a normal marriage, polygamy and all.
Well this was not an exception in the 16th century. Did no one in Jodha's family have a polygamous marriage? Had she not seen them?

She drank poison for love
Well when u keep saying it was kartavya, it was patnidharm again and again and again people will believe it. When you never act like you are in love but always keep harping about kartavya people will believe it. But he still keeps on questioning her why she did it coz he believes she did it bcoz she loves him but the poor guy till date only got the kartavya jaap.

Jalal's love is unconditional coz like he said in Amer Jodha better remember that this MU happened coz of her, he is completely aware of her part in this MU , her mistakes but he loves her, cries for her, blames himself for all despite of that. He is not sitting around for her to do reforms for him to forgive her. He holds love higher than her apology or grand gestures from her.

Even when Jalal was in his ego in the Ben track, all his attention, all his thoughts, all his plans were on and for Jodha, nobody unless they have some serious khunnas with Jalal could doubt his love or beginning of love for Jodha then. He still believed her in the Shivani fiasco, he still listened about Ben and tested Ben, he still got her her hojra back. He said I wont see you even if u died, we all saw what he did when she was on her death bed. None of Jodha's well wishers like HB or SB did even .1% of what Jalal did then unlike Jodha who sees Jalal hurt in her room in this track, pouts and goes and asks her dad why is he in her room. 😆

Jalal needs to confess his love for Jodha to get confident and reciprocate his love?? yeh kya hota hai?? you dont need to have confirmation of love from the other side when u fall in love, that's just too funny to even think about. You just fall in love and with your love maybe the other would fall in love with u too, u dont wait for the other person to confess it first 😆

16th century mein vachans are valued more than life??? ummm weren't shaadi ke vachans the biggest vachans a woman ever took in her life in the 16th century, wasn't her pati supposed to be pati parmeshvar? didn't women touch their husbands feet then, didn't mainavati say main to hukum ke peeche chalu hoon in epi 2 or 3. u know to be a support system, a helping hand for ur husband when he falls. 16th century stuff all this na?? how many did Jodha nibhao??? 😆

Like I had said so far Jodha only accepted her bhool in being stubborn and not going with him when he begged her to, she still has not come out and apologized or realized her hand in the MU, so yea not there yet 😃

And yes with the way Jodha is going, this show is all about Jalal's Epic Love for me, fingers crossed Jodha gets there but if not I will keep seeing Jalal's Epic Love and be happy 😃❤️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: dush123

agree dear. 😊 i was waiting for these type of positive comment to reply. coz every time i see criticizing jodha without understanding her. but what u said is true ...
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unconditional love ?😆 there is no any unconditional love in reality. so y do we expect it in this serial ? 😕 and don't forget, jalal started more loving and caring her after she saved his life from ben. otherwise he wouldn't express his feelings like this. so where is jalal's unconditional love ? 🤢 i am not going to criticize jalal here. but just said that u cant expect it from jodha's side now. but becoz she didnt express her feelings yet and don't forget she is not fully in love with him. there is a long future for them. they will express nd show their love. but in this stage jodha doesn't understand her love nd duty. she is confused. and within a 1 year of their marriage, they slowly understand their good and bad points . thats better, bcoz this is not a normal arranged marriage. she get forced to marry him when she hates him. at that time jalal's name was enough her to kill him. but she dint. 😳😆 ...so how can we easily expect her to express her feelings like jallu did. ( jalal didnt hate her, he wanted to win her and again he wanted to win this women, not her heart) but slowly he understand what jodha means to him. he discovered his hidden heart... etc.. he is fast . thats true,! but jodha still in confused with his behavior bcoz he is a volcano type man.😆 so i don't blame jodha, coz she should understand , he is not the same person who used to be. and one thing i must say, we viewers can criticize their love bcoz we see both of them on screen, their feelings.. etc. but how the hell she knows/sees that jallu's tears, sadness nd whtever inner feelings . how can she believe his love for her? as viewers we know his love. (unconditional love of jallu ? no still i don't believe)😆 but jodha doesn't know his so called unconditional love..🤣 just wait and watch. yet to b come.may b u can see so called unconditional love.😆 but i dnt want unconditional one. i can enjoy their love with some conditions. thats reality😊 and finally don't compare rukku's love and jodha's love.. yuuk 🤢useless ...tim wasting. everyone knows her love. 😆 now dnt bash me. don't hit me. i just said what i wanted to say. its ma opinion . i m a silent viewer ( sometimes😆) this time i couldn't stop myself . thank u! ...


Hello there !
There are many more things which happen in serial but doesn't happen in reality 😆 so what's wrong in expecting it from a natakiya rupantar ? 😕 ...They promised us epic love story so there is nothing wrong in expecting them to show the unconditional love, it exists or not is a different issue ! But u also don't forget Jalal stopped hurting her deliberately after her suicide attempt which was much much before the ben track. His behavior in ben track was worst lets call spade a spade and how can you say Jodha is not fully in love with him ? It is her who said "Ham Shehenshah se bahot prem karte hai " and "Hame unse aur adhik prem ho gya hai" now what are you trying to say she is lying ? 😆 ...Just like you don't believe Jalal's love is unconditional, many here does not consider Jodha can ever love him with the depth he loves her. And pleaseee ! Ruqaiya is his FIRST legally wedded wife ! I will again say I see NO DIFFERENCE in the way Ruqaiya loves him and the way Jodha loves him and that's my opinion 😆.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Jeannie My dear you are bang on ! 🤗
Even I'm surprised at the polygamy and political marriage comment but chose not to respond ! This was not the ONLY political marriage alliance. Many princess from Rajputana were married into the Suri and other muslim king's household and that too much before this marriage. I avoid mixing history with fiction but couldn't stop myself when this polygamy and political marriage issue is used as a reason to defend this natakiya rupankar 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shweta16

Jeannie My dear you are bang on ! 🤗

Even I'm surprised at the polygamy and political marriage comment but chose not to respond ! This was not the ONLY political marriage alliance. Many princess from Rajputana were married into the Suri and other muslim king's household and that too much before this marriage. I avoid mixing history with fiction but couldn't stop myself when this polygamy and political marriage issue is used as a reason to defend this natakiya rupankar 😕


Thank you Shweta 🤗
That is what I keep saying na, people bring in all Jodha's past mahaanta's to justify this Jodha forgetting all the mistakes or misbehavior that she has done along the way and if that does not work than bring in bits and pieces of history to do the deed. Well history humne bhi padhi hai, monopoly nahi hai kisiki 😆 And bringing in Akbar MUZ history, the 2 people who i really really respect and admire and am in love with their love story just pisses me off. 😡
@Mandy aapne aaj kitne logon ko inspire kiya hai 🤣 looking at your post 2 more posts have popped up to vent 🤣 this is soo funny 🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Didnt jodha know that jalal is good shehnshah who keeps bringing reforms for awaam??whats new happened yesterday that made jodha think that jalal has heart?? Was his apology n pains were not enough?? N by the way she is not going back agra for her husband, but she is going to agra so that she can give shehnshah ''BADHAI'' for his achievements. N those who constantly brings benjo kand saying that sb n hb trusted jodha while jalal was in full ego mode, I have question for them that what kind of trust that was ki jodha ko vish pine ko de diya?? Agar full trust hota to aisa karne to kya sochne v nai dete jodha ko. I guess unhe yakin tha ki agar sewanya me vish nikla to somehow maut k muh se jodha vapas aa jayegi.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Jalal has brought even bigger reforms. Child marriage and slavery were much bigger problems that the tax. So she should have been 'touched' when he abolished those.
And she was touched btw.

These cvs keep forgetting attention to detail. Ghajini effect
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Posted: 11 years ago
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excellent views everyone, will read and revert back later, pl keep sharing and all views r welcome!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi mandy, just saw your thread and all the comments on it.

Jeannie, sweetheart a big hug 🤗 for your post - bang on!!!!

As for the Q mandy - Jodha needed an impetus to believe Jalal - and belief is not faith - and Jodha may claim to Love Jalal but she is not 'In Love' with him - not yet - and not until belief dissolves into faith.

As for Jalal - if you remember from the time of the attempted suicide of Jodha, Jalal has had belief in Jodha - not faith - becoz faith cannot be on a person - Faith is Love - and Love comes from within, from the Self - and when one is 'In Love', one is 'In Faith' - and at this point belief dissolves into Faith - for Jalal that has happened - not when he got to know the facts of the Sujamal fiasco - it happened when he left Amer, after Jodha refused to return - that was the moment when his belief became Faith - and I did say this then that now he no longer needs her with him, becoz he has surrendered himself to Love - yes her being with him will give him happiness but her not being with him will no longer make him stagnant - and sure enuff he has been marching on his path making his journey - and nothing and no one will be able to stop him now.

Love cannot be measured, but then one has to be 'In Love' - and being 'In Love' is being 'In Faith' - Jodha has not reached here yet - and as of now I will not comment on whether she will or will not - I leave that for the Universe to decide.
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

Hi mandy, just saw your thread and all the comments on it.

Jeannie, sweetheart a big hug 🤗 for your post - bang on!!!!

As for the Q mandy - Jodha needed an impetus to believe Jalal - and belief is not faith - and Jodha may claim to Love Jalal but she is not 'In Love' with him - not yet - and not until belief dissolves into faith.

As for Jalal - if you remember from the time of the attempted suicide of Jodha, Jalal has had belief in Jodha - not faith - becoz faith cannot be on a person - Faith is Love - and Love comes from within, from the Self - and when one is 'In Love', one is 'In Faith' - and at this point belief dissolves into Faith - for Jalal that has happened - not when he got to know the facts of the Sujamal fiasco - it happened when he left Amer, after Jodha refused to return - that was the moment when his belief became Faith - and I did say this then that now he no longer needs her with him, becoz he has surrendered himself to Love - yes her being with him will give him happiness but her not being with him will no longer make him stagnant - and sure enuff he has been marching on his path making his journey - and nothing and no one will be able to stop him now.

Love cannot be measured, but then one has to be 'In Love' - and being 'In Love' is being 'In Faith' - Jodha has not reached here yet - and as of now I will not comment on whether she will or will not - I leave that for the Universe to decide.

beautifully wriiten
you know many couples husband works abroad and wife stays in india for years 10-20-30 years
and still they remain in love they remain loyal despite meeting may be 15 days in a year or a month in 2 years. That is kind of true love where you are away for ages and stay in love and stay loyal.
so jalal has reached that kind of love already where jodha is there or not does not matter, she is in his heart, mind and soul. Just looking a flower or moon is enough for him and talking to them makes him feel he spoke to jodha
That kind of love is rare but is true pure love divine loveee
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adianasr

Hi mandy, just saw your thread and all the comments on it.

Jeannie, sweetheart a big hug 🤗 for your post - bang on!!!!

As for the Q mandy - Jodha needed an impetus to believe Jalal - and belief is not faith - and Jodha may claim to Love Jalal but she is not 'In Love' with him - not yet - and not until belief dissolves into faith.

As for Jalal - if you remember from the time of the attempted suicide of Jodha, Jalal has had belief in Jodha - not faith - becoz faith cannot be on a person - Faith is Love - and Love comes from within, from the Self - and when one is 'In Love', one is 'In Faith' - and at this point belief dissolves into Faith - for Jalal that has happened - not when he got to know the facts of the Sujamal fiasco - it happened when he left Amer, after Jodha refused to return - that was the moment when his belief became Faith - and I did say this then that now he no longer needs her with him, becoz he has surrendered himself to Love - yes her being with him will give him happiness but her not being with him will no longer make him stagnant - and sure enuff he has been marching on his path making his journey - and nothing and no one will be able to stop him now.

Love cannot be measured, but then one has to be 'In Love' - and being 'In Love' is being 'In Faith' - Jodha has not reached here yet - and as of now I will not comment on whether she will or will not - I leave that for the Universe to decide.

Nicely put Adi👏

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