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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

No, Jodha will not go back to Amer for sure as she has been clearly told by her mother after MC track that, she is not welcomed as a refugee... so, if she choose to stay away from Agra, she might go to Matura, the place of her beloved god Kanha where she might look for some peace.
Mansi don't look at the end result with a dreamy eye with eastman colour. even if Jalal prove her innocent, it is not so easy to come out of your missery of the fact that her own husband suspected her charecter. So it might take months if not years (in real sense not with so many episodes) for Jodha to come out of that hurt and to collect her heart and soul.
Sorry can never bring a dead person alive ... You stab a person after that if you say it was a mistake and you never inetnded to hurt fellow or if you say you were too angry to realise what you did or said, that doesn't erase the hurt or clear the wound mark. The pain may reduce or subsided but the mARk left by that wound is for the life time if not erased by cosmetic surgery and that also will cause some more pain to some other part of your body. (like in this case, her future pregnancy will for sure kindle all the memories of her current agony)

Jaya I slightly differ from you in this case of Jodha bearing such a deep scar that she may take months or even longer to come out of that hurt. If she had been the only victim of mistrust, yes, then I buy your point. But in this case, she has also mistrusted him. So it is relatively easier to forgive another person for the scars they unleash on you, if you can see that you too have done the same thing to them!
That's why I feel that by seeing the other person's mindset, they will see mirror-reflections of their own mindsets. I believe the healing will also be fast, because when you see that both have committed the same kind of mistake the egos don't come in the way of the fast healing!
Call it my optimism, if you will, but I believe in the human capacity to heal fast and change for the better. If we don't have even that hope from life that our mistakes and the mistakes of others on us are forgiveable and can be healed quickly, then all of life is just one large pain! If on the other hand we believe there is a potential for anyone to turn over a new leaf at any time, then life can be lived with enthusiasm and happiness.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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These are the lines which I myself thought of when I watched the episode. It was very sad to see Jodha break down like this. Being so young, she has to face so many problems. I really feel pity for her. First of all she gets married to a man she hates, then bear his continuous taunts, ignore the snide comments by others, get blamed for MC, be wretched away from family, have to bear so much pain that she tries suicide. I mean I agree that she is always very bitchy and always has some taunt ready for him, but being young I can understand her being for bitter. And now this. And to top it all Jalal won't calm down and unravel the mystery like earlier. They seriously need a break!
I really liked your post! Aptly and frankly written! I am sorry Skanda that I couldn't comment on your earlier posts which you so graciously updated me with. Please keep PMing me when there is a new one!
Hat's off 👏

Thanks for replying my post ... please do so whenever you can!
As for the lines you have picked above ... well, looks like all of us are in as much, if not more, pain that Jodha and jalal themselves!😭😭😭 Its always sad to see to see two people fighting over a misunderstanding that can be solved with a cool head! What a waste of energy and emotions!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks as always Nandini!😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya I love what you have written about the trust factor. I agree that there is often a double standard even with respect to trust. Why is it that we trust in certain situations but not in others, especially where a pregnancy is concerned (when even the so-called near and dear ones become the first line of enemies?)
Plus again, with respect to the diagnosis of this lady hakim, it is nothing but "blind trust" in her experience. Can hakims not be wrong? It doesn't strike anyone to question that though!
And yes, that head-hitting seemed so much like Javeeda's usual gestures!

Pregnancy is one such thing which is objective, where it is the proof, reality and hence everyone will doubt you since a lady can be preganct only if she had a relationship with a man (not unless it is artificial Insemination which was missing in those days). About trust, it is not only with pregnancy but even while fixing an allience by parents or choosing a parner by the children, it comes in to picture though not with that intensity. We trust our parents to give us better education, better cloths, all teh best facilities available in the world but when it comes to choosing our partner, we will tell them your tastes doesn't suite me and I will choose my own... where was that trust gone whihc we had when they choose our school, college, clothes, ornaments etc...
At teh same time even parents, they will allow the child to choose the colour for his/her room, vehicle etc. when it comes to choosing his wife or her husband, that trust fails...
It is not because they lost confidance in each other, but only because, it is believed that a life partner is for the life time and there should not be any mistake, you can't keep changing them as you do with the wall papers... So is the virginity of a girl...,
NO, it was not a wrong diagonise, it was a wrong verdict given by the Hakim as she had been bribed and warned of teh later consequences...and why will ethey suspect the lady unless there is some scope for it? TYhe question should have been posed either by Jalal or by Jodha, but both thought other is the reason for pregnancy and that doctor had been serving the Sultanate for the last 20 years. If they have to susoect her about her skills, it is as good as suspecting MA's ministeral skills. So only after truth of her non-pregnancy is out by some other doctor, no will have doubts about Jodha not being pregnant (not even Jodha)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya I slightly differ from you in this case of Jodha bearing such a deep scar that she may take months or even longer to come out of that hurt. If she had been the only victim of mistrust, yes, then I buy your point. But in this case, she has also mistrusted him. So it is relatively easier to forgive another person for the scars they unleash on you, if you can see that you too have done the same thing to them!
That's why I feel that by seeing the other person's mindset, they will see mirror-reflections of their own mindsets. I believe the healing will also be fast, because when you see that both have committed the same kind of mistake the egos don't come in the way of the fast healing!
Call it my optimism, if you will, but I believe in the human capacity to heal fast and change for the better. If we don't have even that hope from life that our mistakes and the mistakes of others on us are forgiveable and can be healed quickly, then all of life is just one large pain! If on the other hand we believe there is a potential for anyone to turn over a new leaf at any time, then life can be lived with enthusiasm and happiness.

😊😊😊 I would love to believe in your optimismand hope your optimism comes true. 😉😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: deejagi

NO, it was not a wrong diagonise, it was a wrong verdict given by the Hakim as she had been bribed and warned of teh later consequences...and why will ethey suspect the lady unless there is some scope for it? TYhe question should have been posed either by Jalal or by Jodha, but both thought other is the reason for pregnancy and that doctor had been serving the Sultanate for the last 20 years. If they have to susoect her about her skills, it is as good as suspecting MA's ministeral skills. So only after truth of her non-pregnancy is out by some other doctor, no will have doubts about Jodha not being pregnant (not even Jodha)

True Jaya, whether for one reason or another there is nobody questioning this hakim's diagnosis or even her intentions. So as you say the only solution will be when another hakim overrules the original diagnosis.
This reminds me of my mother who always keeps saying "Get a second opinion" even if we go to a doctor we have trusted for generations in the family! We always crib about my mother's attitude as it is tedious to be running after another doctor each time. But now I see why it is important not to trust just the one person, no matter how experienced they are.
The hakim in this case could be professionally experienced but morally bribe-able! (Not that I am saying my family doctor is bribe-able! Hehehehe ...😆😆😆)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

True Jaya, whether for one reason or another there is nobody questioning this hakim's diagnosis or even her intentions. So as you say the only solution will be when another hakim overrules the original diagnosis.
This reminds me of my mother who always keeps saying "Get a second opinion" even if we go to a doctor we have trusted for generations in the family! We always crib about my mother's attitude as it is tedious to be running after another doctor each time. But now I see why it is important not to trust just the one person, no matter how experienced they are.
The hakim in this case could be professionally experienced but morally bribe-able! (Not that I am saying my family doctor is bribe-able! Hehehehe ...😆😆😆)

Your mom is right and it is always necessary to have second opinion atlaest when it comes to surgery or some major sickness. It is not necessarily the doctor is bribeble but they cam misintreprit...
It was a clear case with my hubby when he visited the physian for his accute tomach pain, he wa diagonised for Apendisities but when we went for 2nd opinion, they said it was Kidney stones. So we went for the 3rd opinion before deciding teh future course of treatment.
btw... I had added some points about Tust in the previous part (in editmode, so just take a look on that)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lovely post! Indeed it was sad to see Jalal and Jo in such a situation...both are not at fault and as much as they are angry they are both deeply hurt as well...
Felt sad for Jo...Loved how she said 'Another man can never even touch my shadow,forget about touching me'... she was broken! She hated the whole of Agra and herself for being alive Paridhi was great in that scene and so was Rajat in the previous one!!👏
I love Maham...she's one strong,intelligent,evil woman!!
Salima is a sweetheart...❤️
Bakshi Bano..am beginning to hate her,those eyes looked like hers! I really hope she redeems herself or helps Jo out of this!😡
The precap has even Hamida angry with Jo...would love to see jalal alone support her this time..am so waiting for it!😃

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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Jaya:
Oh God, three opinions. My mother would love that!
Where have you added the part about "trust"? Couldn't find it ... can you copy/paste it again separately?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: baubles

Lovely post! Indeed it was sad to see Jalal and Jo in such a situation...both are not at fault and as much as they are angry they are both deeply hurt as well...

Felt sad for Jo...Loved how she said 'Another man can never even touch my shadow,forget about touching me'... she was broken! She hated the whole of Agra and herself for being alive Paridhi was great in that scene and so was Rajat in the previous one!!👏
I love Maham...she's one strong,intelligent,evil woman!!
Salima is a sweetheart...❤️
Bakshi Bano..am beginning to hate her,those eyes looked like hers! I really hope she redeems herself or helps Jo out of this!😡
The precap has even Hamida angry with Jo...would love to see jalal alone support her this time..am so waiting for it!😃

Baubles, I so agree with you on Bakshi Bano! I am always able to sympathise with people who are genuine victims of other people's evil. But I draw the line when I find women who choose to think of themselves as victimised when they could stand up for what they believe if they find someone close to them doing evil.
See in that older scene at Amer when Bakshi tells Jodha not to expose Sharif, her reason for trying to save Sharif is not because she loves him or believes him to be innocent etc. Her reason is that she has been through widowhood once and doesn't want that again.
I can fully see why she says that because when the plight of women was so bad in general at that time, the life of a widow must have been hundred times worse. But still, in my book, that is not a good enough reason to aid someone like your husband to "harm" someone else and get away with it.
She has to have some principles of where she looks at self-interest versus harm to others wilfully done and abetted. If she wants to be flexible to her husband let her condone what he does to her (if that makes her feel it is better than being a widow). But when he is harming someone else, she cannot in all conscience be an abetter to crime just to prevent a second widowhood. My mind is unable to buy that position!
That's why I hope even if she was the one in the kitchen, she was at least surreptitiously trying to undo what Sharif was doing rather than helping Sharif harm Jodha-Jalal marriage!
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