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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Thnks a lot Abhay for sharing this info.
Even I have read somewhere that the hindu begums and bandhis used to live in her palace.
Fro first I know Rukk will turn negative in show when Akdha will fall in love. Cause that's natural. She was Akbar's first wife. She had control over him. Suddenly Jo came and Her Jalal changed. Jo become her most favourite queen. She ought to feel jealous. And I was sure even real Rukkaiya felt jealous of MUZ.
But when I heard that she had good relation with NurJahan. And when u mentioned about Khurram and Jagat Gosain in another post. I had this feeling what ever the cvs showing there is some truth in it. As they have followed history very well. That's why I asked u that question about MUZ-RUKKU relations. Thnks for answering it.
And even I have heard that wet nurses were a norms than. Even before that time.
But Abhay it was very cruel of Rukku to not let Khurram met his mother. Doesn't anybody said anything about this to her. Didn't HK and Akbar said anything to her about this matter. Was khurram all the time was with Rukku? Didn't he spend anytime with his mother. I m feeling very bad for Jagat Gosain. And about Rukku-Nurjahan relation I doubt they will introduce Nurjahan in this show. Agar dikhaya bhi toh abhi bohat time baki hai. Atleast 2 years. Pls Abhay tell us na about them. And what about Gulbadan begum? Will she turn anti Jo.
Btw just asking if Nur had good relation with Rukku. Then who was Jo's fav? Manwati and Jagat????? 😆



If u want to know about nurjahan n her relation with muz, ruq n salim u can watch the serial nur jahan..episodes available on youtube...i have posted some screenshots in my post..
https://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3937779
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3937779/500-yrs-ago-now-and-50-yrs-later-fun-post-updated

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Posted: 11 years ago
The Memoirs of Jahangueir (Rogers), Volume 1, chpt. 20m into the assembly of the people of Islam.

At last when Khusrau passed along this road this insignificant fellow proposed to wait upon him. Khusrau happened to halt at the place where he was, and he came out and did homage to him. He behaved to Khusrau in certain special ways, and made on his forehead a fingermark in saffron, which the Indians (Hinduwn) call qashqa,* and is considered propitious. When this came to my ears and I clearly understood his folly, I ordered them to produce him and handed over his houses, dwelling-places, and children to Murta" Khn, and having confiscated his property commanded that he should be put to death.

There were two men named Rj and Amb, who, under the shadow of the protection of the eunuch Daulat Khn, made their livelihood by oppression and tyranny, and had done many acts of oppression in the few days that Khusrau was before Lahore. I ordered Rj to the gallows and a fine to be taken from Amb, who was reputed to be wealthy. In short, 15,000 rupees were collected from him, which sum I ordered them to expend on bulghur-khnas (refectories) and in charity.

Sadu-llah Khn, son of Sad Khn, was promoted to the rank of 2,000 personal and 1,000 horse.

In his great desire to wait upon me, Parwz traversed long distances in a short time, in the rainy season and incessant rain, and on Thursday, the 29th, when two watches and three gha of day had passed, obtained the blessing of seeing me. With exceeding kindness and affection, I took him into the embrace of favour and kissed his forehead.

When this disgraceful conduct showed itself in Khusrau, I had resolved not to delay in any place till I had captured him. There was a probability that he might turn back towards Hindustan, so it appeared impolitic to leave Agra empty, as it was the centre of the State, the abode of the ladies of the holy harem, and the depository of the world's treasures. On these accounts I had written when leaving Agra to Parwz, saying that his loyalty had had this result, that Khusrau had fled and that Fortune had turned her face toward himself; that I had started in pursuit of Khusrau, and that he should consequently dispose of the affairs of the Rn in some way according to the necessity of the time, and for the benefit of the kingdom should himself come quickly to Agra. I had delivered into his charge the capital and treasury, which was equal to the wealth of Qrn,* and I had commended him to the God of power. Before this letter reached Parwz, the Rn had been so humbled that he had sent to af Khn to say that as by his own acts he had come to shame and disgrace, he hoped that he would intercede for him in such a way that the prince would be content with his sending Bgha,* who was one of his sons. Parwz had not agreed to this, and said that either the Rn himself should come or that he should send Karan. Meantime the news of Khusrau's disturbance arrived, and on its account af Khn and other loyalists agreed to the coming of Bgha, who obtained the blessing of waiting on the prince near Mandalgah.

Parwz, leaving Rja Jagannth and most of the chiefs of his army, started for Agra with af Khn and some of those near to him and his own attendants, and with him brought Bgha to the Court. When he came near Agra he heard the news of the victory over Khusrau and his capture, and after resting two days an order reached him that as matters appeared settled in all quarters he should betake himself to me, in order that on the prescribed date he might obtain the good fortune of waiting on me. I bestowed on him the parasol (ftb-gr),* which is one of the signs of royalty, and I gave him the rank of 10,000 and sent an order to the officials to grant him a tankhwh jagir. At this time I sent Mrz Al Beg to Kashmir; 10,000 rupees were delivered to Q" Izzatu-llah to divide amongst faqirs and the poor of Kabul. Amad Beg Khn was promoted to the rank of 2,000 personal and 1,250 horse, original and extra. At the same time Muqarrab Khn, who had been sent to Burhanpur to bring the children of Dniyl, returned after an absence of 6 months 22 days and had the honour of an audience, and related in detail what had occurred in those regions.

Saif Khn was promoted to the rank of 2,000 personal and 1,000 horse. Shaikh Abdu-l-Wahhb* of the Bukhara sayyids, who was governor of Delhi under the late king, was dismissed from the post (by me) for certain ill-deeds done by his men, and was entered amongst the holders of subsistence lands and the arbb-i-sadat.

In the whole of the hereditary dominions, both the crown lands and the jagirs, I ordered the preparation of bulghur-khnas (free eating-houses), where cooked food might be provided for the poor according to their condition, and so that residents and travellers both might reap the benefit.

Amba* Khn Kashmr, who was of the stock of the rulers of Kashmir, was selected for the rank of 1,000 personal and 300 horse. On Monday, Rabu-l-khir 9th, I gave Parwz a special sword; and jewelled swords were presented also to Qubu-d-dn Khn Koka and the Amru-l-umar. I saw Dniyl's children, whom Muqarrab Khn had brought; there were three sons and four daughters. The boys bore the names ahmra,* By-sun ghar, and Hshang. Such kindness and affection were shown by me to these children as no one thought possible. I resolved that ahmra, who was the eldest, should always be in waiting on me, and the others were handed over to the charge of my own sisters.

A special dress of honour was sent to Rja Mn Singh in Bengal. I ordered a reward of 30 lakhs of dams to Mrz Ghz. I bestowed on Shaikh Ibrhm, son of Qubu-d-dn Khn Koka, the rank of 1,000 personal and 300 horse, and dignified him with the title of Kishwar Khn.

As when I started in pursuit of Khusrau I had left my son Khurram in charge of the palaces and treasury, I now, when that affair had been settled, ordered the said son to attend upon Ha"rat Maryam-zamn and the other ladies, and to escort them to me. When they reached the neighbourhood of Lahore, on Friday the 12th of the month mentioned, I embarked in a boat and went to a village named Dahr to meet my mother, and I had the good fortune to be received by her. After the performance of obeisance and prostration and greeting which is due from the young to the old according to the custom of Chingz, the rules of Tmr and common usage, and after worship of the King of the World (God), and after finishing this business, I obtained leave to return, and re-entered the fort of Lahore.

On the 17th, having appointed Muizzu-l-mulk bakhshi of the army against the Rn, I dismissed him to it. As news had come of the rebellion of Ry Ry Singh and his son, Dulp, in the neighbourhood of Ngor, I ordered Rja Jagannth to proceed against them with others of the servants of the State and Muizzu-l-mulk, and to put a stop to this disturbance. I gave 50,000 rupees to Sardr Khn, who had been appointed to the place of Shh Beg Khn as Governor of Qandahar, and I promoted him to the rank of 3,000 personal and 2,500 horse. To Khi"r Khn, the late ruler of Khandesh, were given 3,000 rupees, and to his brother, Amad Khn,* who is one of the khnazdas of the State. Hshim Khn, son of Qsim Khn, who is one of the house-born of the State, and worthy of advancement, I promoted to the rank of 2,500 personal and 1,500 horse. I gave him also one of my own horses. I sent robes of honour to eight individuals amongst the nobles of the army of the Deccan.* Five thousand rupees were given to Nim of Shiraz, the storyteller. Three thousand rupees were given for the expenses of the bulghr-khna of Kashmir to the wakl of Mrz Al Beg, the governor of that place, to send to Srinagar. I presented a jewelled dagger of the value of 6,000 rupees to Qubu-d-dn

hi..someone posted a link to a site called PHI persian literature..thingy..i went to the site and did a search for maryam zamani..and found this...but cudnt gather much as most of the names here are unfamiliar to me...so can one of the enlightened people(genuine respect) plz shed some light on what is actually hapenning here??
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Posted: 11 years ago

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me too please 😊
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Me too pls 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Arieltabi



Thnks a lot Abhay for sharing this info.
Even I have read somewhere that the hindu begums and bandhis used to live in her palace.
Fro first I know Rukk will turn negative in show when Akdha will fall in love. Cause that's natural. She was Akbar's first wife. She had control over him. Suddenly Jo came and Her Jalal changed. Jo become her most favourite queen. She ought to feel jealous. And I was sure even real Rukkaiya felt jealous of MUZ.
But when I heard that she had good relation with NurJahan. And when u mentioned about Khurram and Jagat Gosain in another post. I had this feeling what ever the cvs showing there is some truth in it. As they have followed history very well. That's why I asked u that question about MUZ-RUKKU relations. Thnks for answering it.
And even I have heard that wet nurses were a norms than. Even before that time.
But Abhay it was very cruel of Rukku to not let Khurram met his mother. Doesn't anybody said anything about this to her. Didn't HK and Akbar said anything to her about this matter. Was khurram all the time was with Rukku? Didn't he spend anytime with his mother. I m feeling very bad for Jagat Gosain. And about Rukku-Nurjahan relation I doubt they will introduce Nurjahan in this show. Agar dikhaya bhi toh abhi bohat time baki hai. Atleast 2 years. Pls Abhay tell us na about them. And what about Gulbadan begum? Will she turn anti Jo.
Btw just asking if Nur had good relation with Rukku. Then who was Jo's fav? Manwati and Jagat????? 😆




Hi Ariel,
All i can answer at the moment is following.

MUZ
was aunt of both Man Bai and Jodh Bai.

Man Bai was daughter of Bhagwan Das and first wife of Jahangir/Salim. She is said to be EXTREMELY beautiful, chaste, devoted, and full of fidelity towards Salim.
And,
Jagat Gosain(Jodh Bai) was daughter of Mota Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur, and third wife of Jahangir/Salim. Salim's marriage with Jagat was arranged / finalized by Hamida Bano Begum.😉 It is mentioned(seems) that Salim fell in love with her, as he had seen Jodh Bai in a Function, which he attended with his mother MUZ.

No wonder, first Humayun and Hamida Bano, and then Akbar and MUZ, and now Salim's case. In all the above, these "functions" or 'Jashns' played a great role. I mean they FIRST saw them in some function. Strange enough, the ladies were not aware of this. 😉

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Hi Ariel,
All i can answer at the moment is following.

MUZ
was aunt of both Man Bai and Jodh Bai.

Man Bai was daughter of Bhagwan Das and first wife of Jahangir/Salim. She is said to be EXTREMELY beautiful, chaste, devoted, and full of fidelity towards Salim.
And,
Jagat Gosain(Jodh Bai) was daughter of Mota Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur, and third wife of Jahangir/Salim. Salim's marriage with Jagat was arranged / finalized by Hamida Bano Begum.😉 It is mentioned(seems) that Salim fell in love with her, as he had seen Jodh Bai in a Function, which he attended with his mother MUZ.

No wonder, first Humayun and Hamida Bano, and then Akbar and MUZ, and now Salim's case. In all the above, these "functions" or 'Jashns' played a great role. I mean they FIRST saw them in some function. Strange enough, the ladies were not aware of this. 😉


so human saw hamida bank at some function?also i thought man bai was salims fav wife before she died...and then salim loved jagat gossain,so when did nor jahan come.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Hi Ariel,
All i can answer at the moment is following.

MUZ
was aunt of both Man Bai and Jodh Bai.

Man Bai was daughter of Bhagwan Das and first wife of Jahangir/Salim. She is said to be EXTREMELY beautiful, chaste, devoted, and full of fidelity towards Salim.
And,
Jagat Gosain(Jodh Bai) was daughter of Mota Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur, and third wife of Jahangir/Salim. Salim's marriage with Jagat was arranged / finalized by Hamida Bano Begum.😉 It is mentioned(seems) that Salim fell in love with her, as he had seen <font color="#FF0000">Jodh Bai</font> in a Function, which he attended with his mother MUZ.

No wonder, first <font color="#0000FF">Humayun</font> and <font color="#FF0000">Hamida Bano</font>, and then <font color="#0000FF">Akbar</font> and <font color="#FF0000">MUZ</font>, and now <font color="#0000FF">Salim</font>'s case. In all the above, these "functions" or 'Jashns' played a great role. I mean <font color="#0000FF">they</font> FIRST saw <font color="#FF0000">them</font> in some function. Strange enough, the ladies were not aware of this. 😉


Thnks Abhay for answering my question 😊 . As she was their aunt so obviously she will love both of them the most.
So Salim fall in love with Jodh bai. Then where does NurJahan came from? Did he love both of them. No wonder Nur disliked Jodh.
Baap, beta, pota all are same 😆 . Its really a very cute coincidence.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Hi Ariel,
All i can answer at the moment is following.

MUZ
was aunt of both Man Bai and Jodh Bai.

Man Bai was daughter of Bhagwan Das and first wife of Jahangir/Salim. She is said to be EXTREMELY beautiful, chaste, devoted, and full of fidelity towards Salim.
And,
Jagat Gosain(Jodh Bai) was daughter of Mota Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur, and third wife of Jahangir/Salim. Salim's marriage with Jagat was arranged / finalized by Hamida Bano Begum.😉 It is mentioned(seems) that Salim fell in love with her, as he had seen Jodh Bai in a Function, which he attended with his mother MUZ.

No wonder, first Humayun and Hamida Bano, and then Akbar and MUZ, and now Salim's case. In all the above, these "functions" or 'Jashns' played a great role. I mean they FIRST saw them in some function. Strange enough, the ladies were not aware of this. 😉


interesting, i read today, 😆 😆 Abhay, Mota, Raga Udai singh, or M P father udai singh, Same.

but if same or not, but i want to ask, which Type of realtion, Udai singh & Akbar, (MP father )
Edited by ayushimehra - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Arieltabi



Thnks Abhay for answering my question 😊 . As she was their aunt so obviously she will love both of them the most.
So Salim fall in love with Jodh bai. Then where does NurJahan came from? Did he love both of them. No wonder Nur disliked Jodh.
Baap, beta, pota all are same 😆 . Its really a very cute coincidence.





Originally posted by: aanchal_c



so human saw hamida bank at some function?also i thought man bai was salims fav wife before she died...and then salim loved jagat gossain,so when did nor jahan come.





@Aanchal and Ariel

Salim has mentioned Man Bai and Jodh Bai, both, in high terms in his memoirs. No wonder he liked both of them, but he liked - Nur Jahan as well. Nur Jahan (as i have found) was MOSTLY associated with the political front. Salim married Nur Jahan in 1611.

@bold
You are correct. She was very devoted and close to Salim, till she passed away. It was Salim who gave her the title of Shah Begum. Man Bai passed away in 1604.

About Falling in Love with Jodh Bai, i said above, it seems so, because after that function only, where Salim saw Jodh Bai with his mother MUZ, Hamida Bano finalized this marriage.


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Yeah..
Humayun saw Hamida Bano Begum at the house of his brother Mirza Hindal, when they inmates came to offer their respects. I am copying an old comment here, describing Humayun's and Hamida's journey.😉 [ I found this very interesting.😆😊 ]


On seeing Hamida, Humayun enquired about her. And, sent a proposal for marriage.
When Humayun proposed to Hamida Bano Begum, for marriage. 😉 She gave him a LOT of nakhras.😆 She even refused to meet him. And, even opposed this proposal. It took Humayun 40 days of proper courting to get her assent.😉 Foll. is from HumayunNama by Gulbadan Begum.

Gulbadan Begum(GB) writes the following, on Page-150 of Humayun Nama. As per GB -->

Mirza Hindal kept on making objections, and said : ' I look on this girl as a sister and child of my own. Your Majesty is a king. Heaven forbid there should not be a proper alimony, and that so a cause of annoyance should arise
."

Hearing this Humayun got angry and left. Dildar Begum(mother of GB) sent a letter to him, and asked him to be cool and not to get angry so early just by hearing few words, and wrote in the letter that the even Hamida's mother is trying to manaofying her for a LONG time, but she was not giving up. [ So, Hamida also had similar signs as Ameri Mirchi.😉]

Humayun replied that you do whatever to persuade her, i am ready to accept it, by head and eyes.


Here is the exact text: [ my comments in brackets in italics. ]

His Majesty got angry, and rose and went away. Then my mother wrote and sent a letter, saying :
' The girl's mother has even before this been using persuasion. It is astonishing that you should go away in anger over a few words.' [ HB was giving tough time to her mom as well. 😉]

He wrote in reply : ' Your story is very welcome to me. Whatever persuasion you may use, by my head and eyes, I will agree to it. As for what they have written about alimony, please Heaven, what they ask will be done. My waiting eye is on the road.' [ Yes, he was head over heals in love with her. ]

My mother fetched his Majesty, and on that day she gave a party. When it was over, he went to his own quarters. On another day he came to my mother, and said : ' Send someone to call
Hamida-banu Begam here
.' [ Wanted to meet her again, though he had seen her already in that party few days back. 😆 ]

When she sent, the begam did not come, but said : ' If it is to pay my respects, I was exalted by paying my respects the other day. Why should I come again?' [ Straight REFUSAL. 😆 ]

Another time his Majesty sent Subhan Quli, and said : ' Go to Mirza Hindal, and tell him to send
the begam
.' [ Now, he thought she would listen to Hindal. Humayun tried every move.😆 ]

Hindal said : ' Whatever I may say, she will not go. Go yourself and tell her.' [ Rofl ]

When Subhan Quli went and spoke, the begam replied : ' To see kings once is lawful ; a second time it is forbidden. I shall not come.' [ Straight REFUSAL AGAIN. 😆 ]

On this Subhan Quli went and represented what she had said.
His Majesty remarked : ' If she is not a consort , we will make her a consort. '


[ Humayun took 40 more days after this, to get assent. Hamida married him, though not as per her wishes. ]



Rest story in this snap.

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So, this was about Humayun and "NAKHRA" of Hamida Bano Begum.😆😉 And i really, respect the guts of this LADY.

Her, one statement stumped me.👏This is what Gulbadan Begum writes in Humayun Nama about Hamida Banu Begum in HUmayun-Nama, Page-151.

" Oh Yes.. I shall marry someone; but he shall be a MAN whose collar my hand can touch, and not one whose skirt it does not reach. "

This means (Thanx to Tamy for explaining this)--> "She wanted to marry someone who she can hold hand anytime she wishes rather saluting him every time she appears before him. She wanted a Man than an Emperor...When Humayun was running away from Sher Shah Suri, he and Hamida stayed like an ordinary husband-wife, devoid of any luxury. "


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@Abhay I have read Humayun-HB story before in your post.
But that time I didn't understand her answer. Thnk u and Tamy for explaining it. Her thought was beautiful. Reminded me of the Jodha of Badal-Kajri track.
As I said before no wonder Jo was her favorite 😆 . Both gave their husband a though time 😆

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