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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: nabiii

OMG! Its pernious..ruqaiya restricted to meet a progeny with his biological mother b/c on issue of her religion! It seems ruqaiya accomplished her whole life's revengeful mentality abt jodha on poor khurrum n his ma!! Terrible..this 1 incidence is enough for me to get how was actual ruqaiya.

Anyways, abhay can u say something abt bb? Never saw such a stupid character till date.. would have sharfu lusted on Jodha in history n on this issue did ever bb accuse jodha?




Nabiii,

Right now, i have few points regarding your question. Check this link.😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101969226
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Nabiii,

Right now, i have few points regarding your question. Check this link.😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101969226


thanx a lot..hope we wl get further information abt this frm u specially on bb.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Abhay,

Why did Akbar give Khurram to Ruq Begum for upbringing? Just because she had no child of her own? If his relations with her were not so good, why did he do this "favour"?

Your research and writing is wonderful but u support the show so much and many times u ask ur fans to watch the show to see the "truth" of many things that sometimes I suspect u have been posted here by ZEE/EK 😉😆

Radhika




Radhika Ji, 😃

First, thanx for the compliment regarding the research and writing.😊

BTW, This is NOT the first time i am being suspected / accused like this.😆 Before you also, this has happened. Not only in OPEN forum but even in PMs, that too repeatedly.😆 And you know, the reason given is that - the predictions which WE do here about future tracks and IF they come out to be TRUE. ROFL.When something happened in history they will show it..?..What's BIG here..!..😊 (Though, we also DO NOT have entire info.)

Regarding asking people to watch the show for knowing the "truth". 😉
My ONLY motive was that -> I DO NOT want to indulge in "those" reasons here. It's better to see yourself. 😊

Also, Zee/Ekta need NOT plant😆 me here.
Reason -> Forum does not constitutes even 0.001%(or less than this.!.) of the viewers.😉

___________________________________________________________________________

Coming to the MAIN point.

A child, i.e., Khurram(Shah Jahan) was given ONLY in 1592(so late.?.) to Ruqayya. His 'bachpan' was under Ruqayya's 'Chatra-Chayya'.

But , Why Akbar, did NOT give any of his sons / daughters to Ruqayya INITIALLY only.?.
Why so late.?. He could have given full responsibilty of any child earlier also, like Khurram.😕
I ONLY mean to say He could have done this "favor" before.😊

Akbar had earlier given the responsibilty of one of his daughters, Khannum to his own mother, Hamida Bano Begum around 1569-70. Why NOT give it to Ruqayya.?.😊.More cases are there.

I have planned NOT to write on this issue or reasons. Hence, i wrote there to see in the show.😊

BTW, I DID NOT talk about Akbar-Ruqayya's relation being good or bad on MY threads till now. 😉
Hope, i am clear. 😊
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
amazing information thanks for sharing. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Regarding Ruq's character, it is quite logical that she would have had lots of insecurities about Jalal and Jodha's relationship. If what is shown in the show is even remotely truthful, how can Ruq NOT be insecure about Jodha and Jalal's relationship. It is human nature.

Before Jodha came to Jalal's life, as the first wife, cousin and childhood friend Ruq would have held a special place in Jalal's life. By historical counts Akbar seems quite forgiving and giving towards his relatives. He seems to have forgiven them time and again for their transgressions. So it is quite possible Jalal indulged and spoilt Ruq. She would have also held considerable power as his queen. Nobody in harem would have questioned her authority.

Then comes Jodha, if real Ruq saw Jalal's change in attitude towards Jodha and them getting closer it is quite logical this would have made Ruq quite insecure for she wouldn't have had much competition getting Jalal's attention before. This could have easily made her do spiteful things towards Jodha and trying to create a rift between Jalal and Jodha's relationship. I really can't imagine after seeing growing closeness between Jalal and Jodha, Ruq would have just steped aside gracefully and given her blessings. Not many people would do that. If they had shown that, I would have thought this scenario looks completely fake. Especially when there is so much power and prestige is involved in being king's favorite. .

What I want to say is that had real Ruqaiyya been a grey character, I certainly wouldn't be surprised.

Thanks Abhay, Lizzy and Kamal for all this amazing information. You guys rock.👍🏼

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Posted: 11 years ago
  1. Hey Abhay, I request u to give me ans. of one question clearly WAS MUZ AKBAR'S only PRINCIPAL QUEEN and ruk n salima were his senior queens but not DEAR LIKE MUZ??????? PLZ PLZ GIVE THE ANS.I can imagine her stand in akbar's era from the historical account but this the one thing I want to know from you... IS ther any dept. under salima begum besides holding court matters in absence of Akbar??????? I hav read on a article that MUZ's TITLE was TAJ BEGUM who was akbar's chief queen.Hav u read any kind of title she possessed????
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Posted: 11 years ago
BUDDIES, from the above discussions on akbar's disfavor on ruk initially and giving responsebility of khurram on her old days on her request to akbar,I don't know i m right or wrong 😉but assessing that ruk may had engaged in miscarriage of any child of akbar.Because i hav read that to give 1st male child to emperor is a great honour to a queen. this type incident happened with MUZ.😳😳 Because she could not bore any child to him she must had jealousy to her.And thats why may be akbar punished her for her misdeed and did n't gave any of his child in her responsibility.But may after MUZ'S attempt or in her old days by her request akbar forgiven her by seeing her realisation of guilty...😉😉😉 Par ruk ka MUZ se dushmani muz marne tak thi.Isiliye toh usne nur jahan ko zyada support kiya than MUZ.
Edited by rupambika - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Updating here, in response to PMs :

@All...

Have shared some points on this ' present ' topic of discussion. Won't like to continue the discussion in ' this ' direction. ' Please ' don't bombard with PMs. 😉 Have shared what could be done.!. 😊

Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Radhika Ji, 😃

First, thanx for the compliment regarding the research and writing.😊

BTW, This is NOT the first time i am being suspected / accused like this.😆 Before you also, this has happened. Not only in OPEN forum but even in PMs, that too repeatedly.😆 And you know, the reason given is that - the predictions which WE do here about future tracks and IF they come out to be TRUE. ROFL.When something happened in history they will show it..?..What's BIG here..!..😊 (Though, we also DO NOT have entire info.)

Regarding asking people to watch the show for knowing the "truth". 😉
My ONLY motive was that -> I DO NOT want to indulge in "those" reasons here. It's better to see yourself. 😊

Also, Zee/Ekta need NOT plant😆 me here.
Reason -> Forum does not constitutes even 0.001%(or less than this.!.) of the viewers.😉

___________________________________________________________________________

Coming to the MAIN point.

A child, i.e., Khurram(Shah Jahan) was given ONLY in 1592(so late.?.) to Ruqayya. His 'bachpan' was under Ruqayya's 'Chatra-Chayya'.

But , Why Akbar, did NOT give any of his sons / daughters to Ruqayya INITIALLY only.?.
Why so late.?. He could have given full responsibilty of any child earlier also, like Khurram.😕
I ONLY mean to say He could have done this "favor" before.😊

Akbar had earlier given the responsibilty of one of his daughters, Khannum to his own mother, Hamida Bano Begum around 1569-70. Why NOT give it to Ruqayya.?.😊.More cases are there.

I have planned NOT to write on this issue or reasons. Hence, i wrote there to see in the show.😊

BTW, I DID NOT talk about Akbar-Ruqayya's relation being good or bad on MY threads till now. 😉
Hope, i am clear. 😊


Thanks, Abhay Ji! (Seeing the Ji, I should ask like Jodha "Kahin aap humein taana toh nahin maar rahen?" 😆)

I would see it in the show but that may take ages considering even Salim isn't born yet! 😭 So would be much, much obliged if u could shed some light on this issue instead of answering my Q with a Q, just like Jodha 😕

The general consensus on ur thread is that Jalal was kind of upset with Ruq's behaviour and turned towards Jodha completely. So even tho u may not have said anything about Jalal-Ruq's relationship status, I kind of assumed that it wasn't so chummy that he would hand over a child to her for upbringing, even in her old age. Another related point u missed is why did he keep distributing the upbringing of his kids/grandkids among the women in his family? Why didn't he let MUZ be solely responsible for them? Did he want to keep her free for himself or for other important work? How did MUZ take it - after all, she seems a very sentimental kind of person, who loves children a lot. How did she bear separation from her kids and grandkids?
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Posted: 11 years ago
Quoting u:
I won't write the reasons but you can understand..Why ONLY Salima Begum and MUZ .?.

Reading between the lines, it indicates Akbar didn't think too much of Ruq

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