Akbar-Ruqs-False Monogamy.Pt2JA Not fiction.Upd-p10,16,18,Ruqs34+35+36 - Page 28

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Thanks, Abhay Ji! (Seeing the Ji, I should ask like Jodha "Kahin aap humein taana toh nahin maar rahen?" 😆)

I would see it in the show but that may take ages considering even Salim isn't born yet! 😭 So would be much, much obliged if u could shed some light on this issue instead of answering my Q with a Q, just like Jodha 😕

The general consensus on ur thread is that Jalal was kind of upset with Ruq's behaviour and turned towards Jodha completely. So even tho u may not have said anything about Jalal-Ruq's relationship status, I kind of assumed that it wasn't so chummy that he would hand over a child to her for upbringing, even in her old age.

Another related point u missed is why did he keep distributing the upbringing of his kids/grandkids among the women in his family? Why didn't he let MUZ be solely responsible for them? Did he want to keep her free for himself or for other important work? How did MUZ take it - after all, she seems a very sentimental kind of person, who loves children a lot. How did she bear separation from her kids and grandkids?

Hi,
I was not "taana-maroing" there.😆 Just wanted to start a serious😳 answer on a lighter note.😊

Regarding the reason which you have asked me, "please" wait and watch it.😊 You need not wait till Salim's birth specially for it.

It was a like a well-established practice to give children to ladies due to various reasons. Like if someone is childless or for some other affectionate reasons also, like Akbar gave his daughter to his mother. It was a NORM those days.

The question is not about MUZ being solely responsible.😊 They were responsible to their progeny. But having wet-nurses was also LIKE a custom.😊 And all communities had this. Even the Rajvanshis had this customs in form of dai-maas to help in upbringing of their progeny.

You may be surprised to know that Akbar was brought up by a dozen wet-nurses, whose leader was Maham Anga.🤓 Similarly, Salim also had a wet-nurse, named Zi-l-qa'da, who "assisted" MUZ in his upbringing.😊


As you are talking specially about MUZ, then Akbar DID NOT give any of their child's responsibily fully to any anyone else. As far as i know, about the grandchildren, only Khurram was given to Ruqayya Begum for full upbringing initially. BTW, Even if a child is given to someone it does NOT means that others cannot meet him or he is separated as the child stays in the harem only.😊 Only exception was the case of Khurram..!..

So, overall you see there is no reason for being emotional, as these were the norms.😊

but u still havn't ans. of my ques ABHAY, that had MUZ any title called TAJ BEGUM... as i hav read on a article, hope u give comment on it.😊

Thnks a lot Abhay for sharing this info.
Even I have read somewhere that the hindu begums and bandhis used to live in her palace.
Fro first I know Rukk will turn negative in show when Akdha will fall in love. Cause that's natural. She was Akbar's first wife. She had control over him. Suddenly Jo came and Her Jalal changed. Jo become her most favourite queen. She ought to feel jealous. And I was sure even real Rukkaiya felt jealous of MUZ.
But when I heard that she had good relation with NurJahan. And when u mentioned about Khurram and Jagat Gosain in another post. I had this feeling what ever the cvs showing there is some truth in it. As they have followed history very well. That's why I asked u that question about MUZ-RUKKU relations. Thnks for answering it.
And even I have heard that wet nurses were a norms than. Even before that time.
But Abhay it was very cruel of Rukku to not let Khurram met his mother. Doesn't anybody said anything about this to her. Didn't HK and Akbar said anything to her about this matter. Was khurram all the time was with Rukku? Didn't he spend anytime with his mother. I m feeling very bad for Jagat Gosain. And about Rukku-Nurjahan relation I doubt they will introduce Nurjahan in this show. Agar dikhaya bhi toh abhi bohat time baki hai. Atleast 2 years. Pls Abhay tell us na about them. And what about Gulbadan begum? Will she turn anti Jo.
Btw just asking if Nur had good relation with Rukku. Then who was Jo's fav? Manwati and Jagat????? 😆

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi,
I was not "taana-maroing" there.😆 Just wanted to start a serious😳 answer on a lighter note.😊

Regarding the reason which you have asked me, "please" wait and watch it.😊 You need not wait till Salim's birth specially for it.

It was a like a well-established practice to give children to ladies due to various reasons. Like if someone is childless or for some other affectionate reasons also, like Akbar gave his daughter to his mother. It was a NORM those days.

The question is not about MUZ being solely responsible.😊 They were responsible to their progeny. But having wet-nurses was also LIKE a custom.😊 And all communities had this. Even the Rajvanshis had this customs in form of dai-maas to help in upbringing of their progeny.

You may be surprised to know that Akbar was brought up by a dozen wet-nurses, whose leader was Maham Anga.🤓 Similarly, Salim also had a wet-nurse, named Zi-l-qa'da, who "assisted" MUZ in his upbringing.😊


As you are talking specially about MUZ, then Akbar DID NOT give any of their child's responsibily fully to any anyone else. As far as i know, about the grandchildren, only Khurram was given to Ruqayya Begum for full upbringing initially. BTW, Even if a child is given to someone it does NOT means that others cannot meet him or he is separated as the child stays in the harem only.😊 Only exception was the case of Khurram..!..

So, overall you see there is no reason for being emotional, as these were the norms.😊

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Quoting u:

I won't write the reasons but you can understand..Why ONLY Salima Begum and MUZ .?.

Reading between the lines, it indicates Akbar didn't think too much of Ruq.

I just wrote what the accounts give us.😊
I(And others also) found many things but mainly associated to MUZ and Salima Begum.


This article was put on my thread by ANOTHER member. Gives some picture about the Royal Ladies, and am saying to read about ladies of Akbar's reign. You will get it. This is referenced as well. Ignore some typo errors.

Link: Click here.

Originally posted by: rupambika

1. Hey Abhay, I request u to give me ans. of one question clearly WAS MUZ AKBAR'S only PRINCIPAL QUEEN and ruk n salima were his senior queens but not DEAR LIKE MUZ??????? PLZ PLZ GIVE THE ANS.I can imagine her stand in akbar's era from the historical account but this the one thing I want to know from you...
2. IS ther any dept. under salima begum besides holding court matters in absence of Akbar???????
3. I hav read on a article that MUZ's TITLE was TAJ BEGUM who was akbar's chief queen.Hav u read any kind of title she possessed????

Hi,
Have written many times in previous comments. 😊 I do not like comparing the queens but only sharing facts.😊 All 3 are said to be the senior queens. I have written about principal and senior queens only once and that too, only for clearing one misnomer regarding Chief Consort, etc. You may check it on page-34. About MUZ being dear, this is quite clear. How do i answer this. Is there a doubt.?.😊


Salima Begum was a senior ranking lady in the Harem. She also maintained a library.


Regarding MUZ having another title of Taj Begum is NEW for me.😕 I saw an article about this.

The article says that - " The Taj-Begum Maharani HeraKuvar Bai - Princess of Amber and Chief Queen of Akbar, was an ardent disciple of Shri Gusaiji, as was Birbal, Raja Mansingh , and Ajab Kuvar Bai (of Mewari royal family). "

Note : This relates to Lord Krishna.


The website gives the Reference as:
This page on Shri Gusainji was released on Magshar Vad Navam, Vikram Samvat 2069, Sunday January 6th, 2013, "Shri Gusaiji-Vitthalnathji Pragatya Utsav"

Link:
http://www.shreenathjibhakti.org/akbars_relationship_with_shri_gusainji.htm


But i can NOT confirm this title until EVEN the References are verified.😕
Or wait if this title comes in the show .?.
Also, this website talks of some farmans issued by Mughal Emperor Akbar in favor of Shri Gusainji. So, if we get any farman regarding this, then also we can get a fair idea about this. Will try searching on this issue.

@All...
Guys try to find if such a document was issued, on the said date, if anyone has some linkage.!.

1- BEFORE akbar were humayun n babur's first wife were their chief consort????????? 2- DO u really think the novel on nur jahan THE 20TH WIFE is purely a fiction ya iss main kuch sachai hai ???? 3-12,000 cavalary which was the rank of akbar was given to MUZ.It sounds strange for me that how could a wife get equal position to her husband. ABHAY, plz ek baat confirm karo ke ke shirf bo jahangir ke mom thi isiliye ye rank use di gayithi yaa apne dicent quality ke liye akbar ne use ye rank diya jo aur kisi begum nahin paa saki??????? if she got this only for she gave heir then why hamida banu had not this rank then???? 4---give info on MAN BAI... n her relation with her husband n why she had commited suicide???? 5-- in akbar's era hindus were appointed in higher posts.did the same continued in jahangir and shahjahan's era ????? thank 4 ur efforts 😊😊

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Thanks, Abhay Ji! (Seeing the Ji, I should ask like Jodha "Kahin aap humein taana toh nahin maar rahen?" 😆)

I would see it in the show but that may take ages considering even Salim isn't born yet! 😭 So would be much, much obliged if u could shed some light on this issue instead of answering my Q with a Q, just like Jodha 😕

The general consensus on ur thread is that Jalal was kind of upset with Ruq's behaviour and turned towards Jodha completely. So even tho u may not have said anything about Jalal-Ruq's relationship status, I kind of assumed that it wasn't so chummy that he would hand over a child to her for upbringing, even in her old age. Another related point u missed is why did he keep distributing the upbringing of his kids/grandkids among the women in his family? Why didn't he let MUZ be solely responsible for them? Did he want to keep her free for himself or for other important work? How did MUZ take it - after all, she seems a very sentimental kind of person, who loves children a lot. How did she bear separation from her kids and grandkids?

Ruq is a direct decent of Turk dynasty so maybe after Salim's rebelling against Akbar and I dont think this happened in one day so his ways may not have been what Akbar wanted so maybe he gave Khurram being brought up by Ruq in typical turk Timorline upbring and even being an offspring of Muslim and Hindu union he was quite prejudiced against Rajputs but not as much as Aurangzeb that is what I read in a book will have to find it.(my guess and maybe the author also came to this conclusion right or wrong no doubt they have read seen more information then us)


(Rukaiya Begum was born as a Timurid Princess. She was the daughter of Hindal Mirza and Sultanam Begum. Hindal Mirza was the younger brother of Humayun. The grandfather of Rukaiya Begum was Babur who was the founder of Mughal Empire in India.)

Unfortunately, Rukaiya was child-less but was handed over the the charge of Prince Khurram, the son of Jahangir. She took utmost care in the upbringing of Prince Khurram. Prince Khurram later on ascended to the throne and bore the title "Shah Jahan". Hence, Rukaiya Begum got the pleasure and satisfaction of raising a Mughal Emperor. Since Rukaiya Begum was well educated, the education of Shah Jahan was very well taken care. Shah Jahan remained with Rukaiya Begum till he attained 13 years of age.

Jahangir had high regard for Rukaiya Begum. Even after the death of Akbar, Rukaiya Begum was given very regard in the Mughal Court and the imperial harem. Her authority was un-matchable.

All titles given to Mughal emperor's evolved over a period of time and changed from one in one rule to another so as the Dynasty progresses you find new titles what Hamida Banu (MM)had titles or duties may not be same as MUZ . Even the titles which Akbar had kept on changing and adding with time

Abhay and all others who have been providing facts they unearth read find they are giving us a great duty and no doubt the questions asked inspire them but then they are only providing us info they cannot answer why and how

MY POV

Disclaimer dont want anyone to take offence

Any one interested in numerology see what the birth date marriage to MUZ and coronation dates of Akbar very interesting

Originally posted by: sunram

Ruq is a direct decent of Turk dynasty so maybe after Salim's rebelling against Akbar and I dont think this happened in one day so his ways may not have been what Akbar wanted so maybe he gave Khurram being brought up by Ruq in typical turk Timorline upbring and even being an offspirig of Muslim and Hindu union he was quite prejudiced against Rajputs but not as much as Aurangzeb that is what I read in a book will have to find it.(my guess and maybe the author also came to this conclusion right or wrong no doubt they have read seen more information then us)


(Rukaiya Begum was born as a Timurid Princess. She was the daughter of Hindal Mirza and Sultanam Begum. Hindal Mirza was the younger brother of Humayun. The grandfather of Rukaiya Begum was Babur who was the founder of Mughal Empire in India.)

Unfortunately, Rukaiya was child-less but was handed over the the charge of Prince Khurram, the son of Jahangir. She took utmost care in the upbringing of Prince Khurram. Prince Khurram later on ascended to the throne and bore the title "Shah Jahan". Hence, Rukaiya Begum got the pleasure and satisfaction of raising a Mughal Emperor. Since Rukaiya Begum was well educated, the education of Shah Jahan was very well taken care. Shah Jahan remained with Rukaiya Begum till he attained 13 years of age.

Jahangir had high regard for Rukaiya Begum. Even after the death of Akbar, Rukaiya Begum was given very regard in the Mughal Court and the imperial harem. Her authority was un-matchable.

All titles given to Mughal emperor's evolved over a period of time and changed from one in one rule to another so as the Dynasty progresses you find new titles what Hamida Banu (MM)had titles or duties may not be same as MUZ . Even the titles which Akbar had kept on changing and adding with time

Abhay and all others who have been providing facts they unearth read find they are giving us a great duty and no doubt the questions asked inspire them but then they are only providing us info they cannot answer why and how

MY POV

Disclaimer dont want anyone to take offence

Any one interested in numerology see what the birth date marriage to MUZ and coronation dates of Akbar very interesting