Jodha Akbar 92: It was a mirage, after all - Page 23

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Posted: 11 years ago

Interesting thoughts di.. Jalal does put her down and taunt her in a more dignified manner.
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Posted: 11 years ago
That he does...but his are more effective...😛 because they're calculated - not driven by ego
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Thank you, Lashy my sweet! The Terrible Twosome almost pulled me out of the dumps yesterday, and now this marvellous analysis has all but reconciled me to the Govinda take off yesterday.

It is far, far better, far more perceptive, intelligent and thoughtful that anything else I have read about this scene in the forum, and I have done far more forum surfing today than is my norm.

Plus, it is much better than anything I could have done, for all that it is so close to my way of thinking - both of us share a horror at the very idea of Jalal becoming a pet poodle at the beck and call of a woman - that I took to it totally as soon as I saw it.

I have one request. Do put it out as a standalone post, and the title should be The Shahenshah strikes back! Unless your heart is set on the present one, of course.

Will you do that?For me? I want as many as possible to read this marvellous piece, and I know from experience that on a thread, its readership will be very limited, especially is if it is on Page 29.

So do that and meanwhile, for laughs, do see the excerpt below from what I wrote on Mansi's thread

Shyamala Aunty

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But right now, what I do not want is any more Govinda take offs or worse, Riteish Deshmukh take offs.

The choice should not be between Virginia Woolf and these gentlemen. Plus Jalal's sudden switch of persona, not to speak of tactics, was odd, to say the least, and if it worked that was because there was a corresponding and equally sudden switch in Jodha as well. The Jodha of even 2 days ago would never have gone along with all that heavy breathing so easily, and in fact seemed to be enjoying it!

I do hope that having written superb scenes like those in Ajmer and the Kali mandir in the past, the CVs now think of something better for the rest of their progression to romance, otherwise we will end up with kurta phad ke, khatiya tod ke and other such dubious gags that properly belong in Comedy Circus and not in Jodha Akbar.

As someone had suggested in my thread, Jodha could have had a follow up meeting with Jalal when he was feeding Hawai that ark. Just think of what a lovely, heartwarming scene could have been written that way, which could have wiped out all the harshness of the earlier encounter. Both of them could have been shown reassuring and petting Hawai, who could have been shown taking to Jodha instantly, as a rare exception to his usual wariness of strangers

To my mind, what yesterday's scene showed is the yoyo tendency among the script writers, leading to a total inconsistency of characterisation for both Jalal and, even more so, for Jodha.

The scene the day before was very unpleasant, but it was in a way mature in its very off putting harshness, like something out of Who is afraid of Virginia Woolf?

Yesterday was the two of them doing a Govinda-Karishma Kapoor impersonation.

I was more startled than anything else to see Rajat do a Govinda without any warning, and I, frankly, as an old fuddy duddy of GenPrevious, who feels awkward with double entendres and the like,
did not like it. It could easily have been scripted sensually instead of like a version of sarkaiyo khatiya jaada lage!

I never watched IPKKND but the odd episode, but I can visualise how Arnav Singh Raizada would have wooed a reluctant bride. Not like this, I am sure. Rajat should have been grateful that his dress probably prevented the CVs from demanding that he go whole hog with the Govinda act and do pelvic thrusts as well, horror of horrors!😉

It was not vulgar, and really it was quite funny, but I would definitely have preferred more intelligent if even more aggressive sensuality. And of course Rajat was marvellous, but what is new there? The boy is a perennial source of wonderment to me.

What I DID like, and which came to me as a profound relief, is that Jalal did not turn into a lovesick poodle, as I had feared, nor did they make him do a Salman Khan in HAHK , with a dupatta over his shahi pagdi! Yes, yes, I know that would never have been an option, but given the shock that Jodha gave me the day before, I have become profoundly distrustful of even these CVs, generally far superior to the run of the mill lot at Balaji.

I was very happy that Jalal was dominating, unsettling, and even,as Vicki put it so well last night, predatory. Anything, even this Govinda act, is better than Jalal as a doormat to be walked over.

This said, the total lack of consistency in Jodha's characterisation is bewildering. Watch her in the kahin bhi jaake mariye, par hamare Amer mein nahin scene, lecturing him on her life and his, and look at her yesterday!

They have obviously never heard of either progressive track development or of intelligent romance. It has to be the icebox or the khatiya, it seems, nothing in between. Alas for my hopes of a Jalal-Jodha between whom there is mutual caring and affection developing, slowly but surely...an edgy friendship morphing, insensibly, into love, with all its yearnings, its restlessness in the absence of the loved one, the misunderstandings, the jealousies, the protectiveness and the possessiveness, and beneath it all, the undercurrent of a hidden sensuality.

I suppose I should be grateful if Ekta does not decide to graduate from the Govinda template and borrow scenes from her contemporary horror shows like Kya kool hai hum in future episodes!

Shyamala

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Originally posted by: lashy

HE IS BEING THE MAN!😛
I'm certain that those who'd read my posts would know more than anything else how much I'd hate for Jalal to lose his attitude and authority. I never wanted him to become a Majnu ...NEVER...I always wanted him to remain in authority 'THE MAN' as we call it. I'd become very very disappointed when he cared to go ahead and watch her dance after all that she'd humiliated him with under the weight of his Pagdi!
However, what I realized was that in his own way - he was being THE MAN! Obviously, he wouldn't take this nonsense from anyone else - he is doing so only from her - because he knows how best to give it back to her too!
Shouting and commanding her hasn't worked and he doesn't want to raise an upheaval in her Maika - so, he's doing it another way!

Therefore the first part of the episode still stood disjointed and was NOT something that I enjoyed.
At the end of it all, it now seems like this was the only way he could get back at his Begum and shut her incessant taunts - punish her for all that she was doing to him ever since they left for Amer.

Every thing she's been doing to him in the past few days, he's avenged in his own way - we only need to shed our conservative caps for it since the CVs seem to have taken on a Ranbir/SRK route rather than an Amir Khan route!

1) She's been giving him below the belt comments and taunts for a while now and he did his share of below the belt comments and taunts yesterday to get back at her! No wonder it didn't look as classy as the scene in the movie where Jodha was happily eyeing her HR Jalal sword practising - it wasn't meant to be!

2) After all that tirade and 'Oh no one loves you tsk tsk' nonsense from her on the day before, he blatantly goes on to ask her yesterday 'Jodha Begum, by any chance have you started falling in love with me?' Worst, she falters and doesn't even give him a proper answer!

3) After all that 'We at AMER don't punish, only warn people unlike you at Agra na na na na na'
He MAKES her punish him and makes her feel so sorry for having uttered any such statement in the first place

4) She'd so callously told him that she 'pitied' his state & loneliness the previous episode - in this one, he reduced her to a thoroughly disconcerted queen when in his company - pitying her own state when he embarrassed her like none else ever had!

5) When she calls him budhu, he makes her the budhu instead during the Kumkum episode

6) When she refutes his story, he challenges her to narrate her own version

7) When she states she wanted his head, he used wise debate and placed his head at Devi's padam!

8) When she kept repeating that she had many reasons to hate him, he's nullified her stance by being on his best behaviour at Amer - compelling her family to keep chanting praises of him in her presence - thus cornering her (unwillingly) to accept her fault that she was holding on to her 'hatred' purely due to false pride.
If you remember,her family have brought up the visit-to-the-temple topic thrice so far - Almost like they're telling her 'Jo wake up and smell the coffee!'

9) Even if Jodha didn't acknowledge what Jalal went through while taming Hawai, Sukanya was gifted with a few lines to show us the viewers - that Jo is being reminded about it all!

One can choose to see it in this manner and continue enjoying it till the flavour lasts or one can wish for the JA movie sort of platonic matured love and give up on the serial. Sadly, there's not much else to hop on to on Indian TV in parallel genre to keep us hooked either. Personally, I'll stick on to see how it unfolds - besides, the Ratanpur problem and MA scenes are both meaningful and just as enticing to me!


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

That he does...but his are more effective...😛 because they're calculated - not driven by ego


He has called her baagin, chudail, gussel, poisonous than a snake, embarrassed her in private and infront of everyone, made her massage him..😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Jalal doesn't get mad, he gets even 😆
Autumn_Rose thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago

and I'm really sick of shirtless scenes now... its getting too much!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


Jalal doesn't get mad, he gets even 😆


I'm using this title!😛
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


and I'm really sick of shirtless scenes now... its getting too much!


True...I'd like for them to not show any more for now...😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

i just finished reading 29 pages of this post..😆...thank God i did not blow my lid on jodha on wednesday coz somehow i have accustomed myself to cvs way of thinking...they jump from one extreme to another and seeing the last scene of the wednesday episode it just proved Jalal has come much beyond his beg hum's taunts ,arrogance ,rudeness and Amer jaap

Shyamala 🤗..hope you have cooled down ...cvs love to play with viewers hence when there was a collective sigh of relief that the elephant promo did not play out ,then they went one step ahead and gave us that scene on wednesday ...it is like you are not allowed to sit back and relax...either fret or fume

@lashy...awesome take and yes this is how he is giving her the big sazaa not some fake love thing...he is making her do everything she detests doing ...not only is this his sweet revenge but also he has started exerting his rights on her ..no more let us stay as civil hubby wife anymore...she is his wife and if he wants to lust over her ,seduce her ,he is not going to be apologetic over that but do it right in her face...

jalal is no idiot...he knows she cares hence he keeps on pricking her about it and is hardly affected what she says..he still corners her and asks her the same question again and again...if she refuses to bend ,he has decided to lean over and there is nothing she can do about it...

jalal is a man of action more than words...if he has decided that he wants this relationship to go the next level and his beghum to get off her high horse ,then he will do it ...she is his challenge ,his obsession and something more on its way ...

she gets the leverage because he allows it ,hence i did not feel anything wrong with that first scene...it was within the four walls between a brattish hubby and his nakchadi wife...jalal desires her very much and he is not hiding it ,not even from her ..he has always been forthright even in his hatred ,revenge ..so he is equally forthright in his need for her to care for him and treat him like her husband in every sense

and i honestly want jodha to fall in love first inspire of all her fears of not being loved back or being used and thrown as MA and ruqaiyya have instilled in her mind..inspite of all this i want her to fall in love with her Shahenshah


Edited by sun29 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Have done so aunty😊
Don't know if people'd be in the mood to give that tedious post a read through...😆 since the anticipation is entirely for something else now...

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