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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: loveanime

Maybe that is all their capable off. There is no creativity to think outside the box. I don't think we are saying that we need to go to Ramayan style romance but also this type of characterization is too distasteful. I am getting sick of sweet jalal. I need a break from this show my frustration is boiling over. I hope sukanya marriage gets canceled and jalal returns to Agra with his brain screwed on. I swear this Amer track has been such a let down. There are plenty of shows on tv to watch where the guy acts like the way jalal did today but I thought this would be different. I am thinking sadly the writer who wrote the script for the jodha akbar movie can he not direct this show.



Definitely agree with you...I've been checked out of this drama for a while now...if I have time I"ll watch it, and if not then I"m definitely not thinking about watching it like I used to do. Other than reading Shyamala Aunty's threads...there is not much to keep one interested these days They've butchered the "love story" so badly, that the turn around is going to probably feel very contrived and fabricated rather than enchanting, beautiful and surreal...alas those are descriptions that are now in the past for JA...
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Posted: 11 years ago
My dear Sonya,

This is really the stuff of a PM, but as you have responded here, I will do the same.

Firstly, at my age, there is no question of my being antagonistic towards anyone, least of all someone of your age. I look upon all of you young people as kids, witness my warm teasing relationships with a steadily increasing number of young friends this forum: those riotous chipmunks like Alakh and Tripti, then Lashy, and Riyya and Disha and Megha and Pallavi and so on and on and on. They are all lovely children and they indulge me and are openly affectionate towards me, and I value that and reciprocate it.

The friendly and mutually respectful relationship I have with those who are younger than I but more mature, like Ela, too has never deviated from that norm, no matter what our differences of perspective about a character or a track in the serial.

You should, in the normal course, have also fitted into the same slot as my young friends. I cannot now remember what all I wrote to you and when, in response to your comments, but I do vaguely remember trying to cheer you up and advising you not to get too worried when a character did not shape up as per your expectations, but to go with the flow, criticise them when you were angry with them, and then let it pass. Not to let them get too much under your skin. In fact I remember spending more time and effort - and I never have enough of the former - replying to you in those days (which could not have been very far off seeing that my first post in this forum was only on June 30 this year) than with almost anyone else.

Now to my comment about Paridhi. It was in the same vein as my comments about Rajat in that lep scene, which I would have reiterated had I done a post on yesterday's uthak baithak bare-bodied display (Alakh,Tripti are you listening?😉). The ones about Rajat did not bother you, even though I repeated them on more than one of my threads. So why do the 4 words about Paridhi bother you so much?

As for my jibe inviting you to report me to the mods, that was not well done of me at my age and level of maturity. I should have known better than to let a child like you irritate me so much. I am sorry about that, more because I slipped from the standards I set for myself than anything else. My only excuse is that I was in a very bad mood after the disaster of the Jodha in the previous episode, after I had hoped for so much from her. Alakh and Tripti got me out of it, bless their hearts, but when I read your post, carping about those 4 words out of umpteen posts, I was exasperated beyond a limit. I should not have let you rile me so much. But if you can find it in you to look at it from my point of view, maybe you will see why I reacted that way.

As for your commenting on my posts, I leave that to you. It is more than likely that we will continue to disagree, for that seems to be hardwired into both of us, but it is wise to keep such differences at a light and jocular level, and if that cannot be done, to leave them out altogether and not comment at all. I often mark many posts, with the content of which I disagree, but where I find the style attractive, with a Like, and do not comment on them.

My old advice to you about the characters still stands. I too am occasionally furious, even livid, as I was with Jodha the day before, but I get over it. One cannot get ulcers over such virtual beings. I write what I feel, regardless of the majority opinion here. For example, I found the Jalal-Jodha comedy scene in the bedroom in poor taste, with all those Govinda style double entendres, and not at all befitting a proto-Akbar. It was so much at odds with some of the lovely ones earlier, as at Ajmer Sharif and in the Kali Mandir that I could not believe it was happening. But there it was.

As for your graceful apology, it is accepted, but the more important thing is to identify why it was necessary in the first place. One thing is for sure. Whether you reappear on my threads or not, there will be no hard feelings at all on my side, but quite the opposite. Why else would I have never stopped PMing you about them, despite your having vanished for months?

Take care, dear Sonya, and God bless.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

Auntyji,

I suppose its all in the delivery with how it comes across. In those previous posts the way you mentioned it came across as fun loving and carefree...even the comments about Bharmal , Mainavati..etc...and looking the way they do ever disparaged their physical appearance, it was just your opinion on how they come across in the role they play...

BUT I found it to be entirely different in your delivery with the way you commented about Paridhi's looks...you have to admit the post was definitely not fun loving and sweet like many of your posts...in fact even in the ones where you are venting you haven't commented on an actors looks quite the same way from what I can remember off the top of my head. The acting is obviously open to commenting on,

WHICH is why I wanted to point out to you how it came across to me when I read this particular post. There never was any intention on my part to report it, so no I"m not taking the bait so to speak to take that course of action.

Furthermore, I seem to always get this underlying feeling of antagonism from you which is why I had not commented on any of the previous many posts...for instance just from the delivery in your comments you have basically stated that you do not believe I have read all of your posts and you have also put words in my response by stating that I claimed to not like them (which I bolded in below) . Not agreeing with your comments is very different to not liking them.

I'm not sure where this negativity towards my posts comes from, however; what I can say is that it is definitely coming from your end, while I made very attempt to be respectful when crafting my post in this thread.

I"m not sure if I have gotten this line right but I"ll attempt it anyways ...

"Je humse koi bol hogay hai, phir hum maufi chathe hai...nadani samaj ke...mauf kar do? "

I wouldn't mind getting back into the mood in responding to your threads...but as of right now I"m not sure if that would be a wise course of action on my part...

I'll wait for your response, if you choose to provide one.

Thanks,

Sonya



Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Aunty,
While the JJ double entendre scene wasn't in good taste I didn't find it "puke worthy or vulgar".

What matters in such scenes is the treatment . That is what distinguishes crass, from sensual. I didn't find the scene crass but that was only because of the leads, in particular, Tokas ☺️

I found the treatment lacking in certain parts. But Tokas was clearly having a RIOT & I couldn't help wondering how much would have the crew teased him after they were done filming!! 😆


When Jalal asks Jodha, "Arre Aap idhar kyun nahin dekh rahi hain, idhar dekhiye" the expression in his eyes was excellently done. 😆Very naughty, knowing & well, sensual. He knew only too well she had averted her eyes because she was embarrassed seeing his bare upper body, the heavy breathing clearly showing us that she was also very affected by it!

Treatment matters.

As for it not be-fitting an Emperor of Akbar's stature, this was the man who had live chess-boards made with dancing girls & courtesans positioned half naked-naked at all time! And this was the man who had the Meena Bazaar set up with the main purpose being to cart off beautiful women!

He surely would've indulged in such talk with his wives except that it wouldn't have been double meaning in that case! 😉

The handling of the scene could've been much better but, Tokas took my breath away!! He was so

very good & funny in that scene that I again wonder HOW Pari manages to keep her eyes away!!!

As Jodha told that young Rajput man near the Agra temple she had visited, "Raaja Raani bhi, manushya hote hain." 😉
Edited by Mallika-E-Bhais - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
when he started taking off his shirt I was like what the hell.. but it all turned out to be hilarious.. it was a huge break from yesterday.. probably the reason why jalal is still chasing her was that he is sure she cares about him.. he is well aware of how she feels for him.
I now really want the real Akbars opinion on this particular scene...

someone solve the ratanpur fort mystery for me.. I cannot find anything on the internet.. I dont think he should give the fort away.. I wonder if MP will react to it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
they were trying not to show rajats body properly... but it didnt work. I wonder if that scene was a result of public demand... im pretty sure the cvs visit this forum.
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Posted: 11 years ago
^ I am telling you. They stalk this Forum! 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
Tripti dear,

I will grant you all that, but you too have to remember that I am not of your generation, but an old fuddy duddy, who feels awkward with double entendres and the like.

I was more startled than anything else to see Rajat do a Govinda without any warning, and I, frankly, did not like it. It could easily have been scripted sensually instead of like a version of sarkaiyo khatiya jaada lage!

I never watched IPKKND but the odd episode, but I can visualise how Arnav Singh Raizada would have wooed a reluctant bride. Not like this, I am sure. Rajat should have been grateful that his dress probably prevented the CVs from demanding that he go whole hog with the Govinda act and do pelvic thrusts as well, horror of horrors!😉

I never said that it was vulgar, and really it was quite funny, but I would definitely have preferred more intelligent if even more aggressive sensuality. And of course Rajat was marvellous, but what is new there? The boy is a perennial source of wonderment to me.

So don't scold me, there is a good girl, if I cannot go gaga over the scene, but I give you full leave to drool over your plump (😉!!😉) boy wonder as much as you like!!

What I DID like, and which came to me as a profound relief, is that Jalal did not turn into a lovesick poodle, as I had feared, nor did they make him do a Salman Khan in HAHK , with a dupatta over his shahi pagdi! Yes, yes, I know that would never have been an option, but given the shock that Jodha gave me the day before, I have become profoundly distrustful of even these CVs, generally far superior to the run of the mill lot at Balaji.

I was very happy that Jalal was dominating, unsettling, and even,as Vicki put it so well last night, predatory. Anything, even this frightful Govinda act, is better than Jalal as a doormat to be walked over.

This said, the total lack of consistency in Jodha's characterisation is bewildering. Watch her in the kahin bhi jaake mariye, par hamare Amer mein nahin scene, lecturing him on her life and his, and look at her yesterday!

They have obviously never heard of either progressiveness or of intelligent romance. It has to be the icebox or the khatiya, it seems, nothing in between. Alas for me!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Aunty,

While the JJ double entendre scene wasn't in good taste I didn't find it "puke worthy or vulgar".

What matters in such scenes is the treatment . That is what distinguishes crass, from sensual. I didn't find the scene crass but that was only because of the leads, in particular, Tokas ☺️

I found the treatment lacking in certain parts. But Tokas was clearly having a RIOT & I couldn't help wondering how much would have the crew teased him after they were done filming!! 😆


When Jalal asks Jodha, "Arre Aap idhar kyun nahin dekh rahi hain, idhar dekhiye" the expression in his eyes was excellently done. 😆Very naughty, knowing & well, sensual. He knew only too well she had averted her eyes because she was embarrassed seeing his bare upper body, the heavy breathing clearly showing us that she was also very affected by it!

Treatment matters.

As for it not be-fitting an Emperor of Akbar's stature, this was the man who had live chess-boards made with dancing girls & courtesans positioned half naked-naked at all time! And this was the man who had the Meena Bazaar set up with the main purpose being to cart off beautiful women!

He surely would've indulged in such talk with his wives except that it wouldn't have been double meaning in that case! 😉

The handling of the scene could've been much better but, Tokas took my breath away!! He was so very good & funny in that scene that I again wonder HOW Pari manages to keep her eyes away!!!
As Jodha told that young Rajput man near the Agra temple she had visited, "Raaja Raani bhi, manushya hote hain." 😉

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Posted: 11 years ago
Well, Alakh, if that is true, I will herewith formally claim full credit for it!!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

they were trying not to show rajats body properly... but it didnt work. I wonder if that scene was a result of public demand... im pretty sure the cvs visit this forum.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, Alakh, if that is true, I will herewith formally claim full credit for it!!😉

Shyamala Aunty


😆 Yes Aunty all credits to you😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
HE IS BEING THE MAN!😛 I know I am contradicting myself here -especially after that long lambasting on page 2. However, what I can I do - I think I've just understood what the CVs are TRYING to portray!

I'm certain that those who'd read my posts would know more than anything else how much I'd hate for Jalal to lose his attitude and authority. I never wanted him to become a Majnu ...NEVER...I always wanted him to remain in authority - 'THE MAN' as we call it. I thought he was faltering. I'd become very very disappointed when he cared to go ahead and watch her dance after all that she'd humiliated him with under the weight of his Pagdi!

However, what I realized was that in his own way - he was being THE MAN! He continues being stern with other people - his scenes with MA, Atgah Khan and now this Wajinder family clowns are proof enough of that. However, he does give Jo all the leverage he can. Not because he has no choice - not because he's head over heels in love with her - but, because he extracts his sweetest revenge in that manner! Obviously, he wouldn't take this nonsense from anyone else - he is doing so only from her - because he knows how best to give it back to her too!
Shouting and commanding her hasn't worked and he doesn't want to raise an upheaval in her Maika - so, he's doing it another way - the silent way - the devilish way!

Therefore, though the first part of the episode still stood disjointed and was NOT something that I enjoyed (the dance I mean)...at the end of it all, I started realizing something else. It now seems like this was the only way he could get back at his Begum and shut her incessant taunts - punish her for all that attitude she was showing him ever since they left for Amer.

Every thing she's been doing to him in the past few days, he's avenged in his own way - we only need to shed our conservative caps for it since the CVs seem to have taken on a Ranbir/SRK route rather than an Amir Khan route!

1) She's been giving him below the belt comments and taunts for a while now and he did his share of below the belt comments and taunts yesterday to get back at her! No wonder it didn't look as classy as the scene in the movie where Jodha was happily eyeing her HR Jalal sword practising - it wasn't meant to be!

2) After all that tirade and 'Oh no one loves you tsk tsk' nonsense from her on the day before, he blatantly goes on to ask her yesterday 'Jodha Begum, by any chance have you started falling in love with me?' Worst, she falters and doesn't even give him a proper answer!

3) After all that 'We at AMER don't punish, only warn people unlike you at Agra na na na na na'
He MAKES her punish him and makes her feel so sorry for having uttered any such statement in the first place

4) She'd so callously told him that she 'pitied' his state & loneliness the previous episode - in this one, he reduced her to a thoroughly disconcerted queen when in his company - pitying her own state when he embarrassed her like none else ever had!

5) When she calls him budhu, he makes her the budhu instead during the Kumkum episode

6) When she refutes his story, he challenges her to narrate her own version

7) When she states she wanted his head, he used wise debate and placed his head at Devi's padam!

8) When she kept repeating that she had many reasons to hate him, he's nullified her stance by being on his best behaviour at Amer - compelling her family to keep chanting praises of him in her presence - thus cornering her (unwillingly) to accept her fault that she was holding on to her 'hatred' purely due to false pride.
If you remember,her family have brought up the visit-to-the-temple topic thrice so far - Almost like they're telling her 'Jo wake up and smell the coffee!'

9) Even if Jodha didn't acknowledge what Jalal went through while taming Hawai, Sukanya was gifted with a few lines to show us the viewers - that Jo is being reminded about it all!

It looks like Jalal is choosing the path of a cool calculated flirt to tame his prudish Begum - while he continues being Shehenshah with everyone else. Very unrealistic - no doubt, but entertaining? Well - it seems to be working for quite a few - seeing how members have been stating that even their moms and grandmoms are enjoying it all. Maybe the overload of glycerine-saas-bahu serials has made people shift loyalties to something that can be entertaining and yet somewhat sensible too!

Also, we know Jalal had a weakness for women in his younger years. Books have stated that he was quite the romantic too! So, in his twenties he must have been at least half-as-devilish as this if not this much! Besides, how do we know what he was doing in his bed chambers with his Begums - topless push ups or poetry recitals - why not both?😆

One can choose to see it in this manner and continue enjoying it till the flavour lasts or one can wish for the JA movie sort of platonic matured love and give up on the serial. Sadly, there's not much else to hop on to on Indian TV in a parallel genre to keep us hooked either. Personally, I'll stick on to see how it unfolds. Besides, currently - the Ratanpur problem and MA scenes are both quite meaningful and just as enticing to me! 😃


Edited by lashy - 11 years ago

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