Six questions I want answered!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Friends, after seeing the episodes of the last two days (war episode and culprit exposure episode) I have six questions I cannot find satisfying answers for ...

Soo here are my questions to the Creatives of this serial:

Question 1: Is Jalal such a stupid General of War that his enmity of the Amer family has made him take the four Amer boys to war, only to be utterly surprised at the war tent in the middle the battleflield when his advisers suggested that the Amer boys could well be his enemies and not his wafaadaars? The way Jalal was shown as utterly surprised to hear of this possibility shocked me. Did the Creatives have in mind to portray Jalal as that kind of unthinking idiot?

Question 2: Again, was Jalal such an ass as to know that Sujaanpur guys could attack at night, but have no preparations for it? He was caught without any of his own force in sight, during that midnight attack, and he was surrounded by just two or three of his stupidest advisers who could barely handle swords. The Creatives have to be able to answer this question: just to be able to make the help of the four Amer boys heroic in a battle where Jalal was caught almost all alone, is it OK to make Jalal look like a strategic fool?

Question 3: Yet again, when Jodha decided to tell Jalal that it was she who poisoned Ruqaiya and caused the miscarriage, is it even reasonable to think that a man, who is any sort of decent King, would immediately reach for his sword and actually swing it to kill her on the spot? No matter what his outrageous rage at Jodha, and however angry or confused he may have been, the Creatives could have thought of at least twenty other ways for his to demonstrate blinding anger. But to make him his slash his sword to cut her was so pathetically juvenile, that I find it bordering on the ridiculous!

Question 4: When Jalal was in the hamam (the bath) he was for some reason feeling his wounds on the arm and neck and also remembering the way in which he acquired those wounds on the war field and how the Amer boys surrounded him to come to his rescue. But, pray, what was that expression of amusement on Jalal's face when he had that reverie. I could not place that expression, although I have seen the episode at least thrice. Was it a smugness that the Amer boys had to display their wafaadaari at any cost? Was it a kind of rueing that he was in that position of needing help? Was it satisfaction at the thought that he was now open to a new mind on the whole issue of Amer loyalty? What was it? If I can't make out what Jalal is feeling here, I am unable to know if he was indulging in a re-think of his position or indulging in more folly!

Question 5: What is his reaction to Salima going to be? The precap again smells like more of the reactionary stuff he trundled out at Jodha! Is it all going to be a re-enactment of the hatred of Jodha now transferred into a hatred and punishment and nazarband of Salima? God help me, but I have no more stomach for more of this same kind of stuff. I would hate to see a Jalal whose reactions continue in the same vein as before and he has learnt nothing from the Jodha epsiode to change his patterns in the Salima episode. I don't know if the Creatives intend showing any measure of evolution in Jalal's behaviour in the Salima episode, and so I wait with my teeth on edge! In a bid to show the story of the Beauty and the Beast, is Jalal going to be shown as the "beast-that-readily-surfaces-at-every-crucial-moment"?

Question 6: What is the "redressal of mistakes mechanism" that Jalal is going to follow? I hope it is not just a soppy scene of him being ticked off by Hamida to go and "maafi maango" from Jodha and his sasurji. In fact I don't want it to be that Jalal needs someone to tell him what he should now be doing. I want to see his brain start ticking, his thoughts start flowing, him taking his own initiative in redressing the situation. I do not want Ruqaiaya or Hamida etc. to be the ones setting his head to rights. I want him to be the 100% Man taking the difficult route, and not to find him whimpering with his head in Hamida's lap. Maybe Jodha is giving him a reality check already but I do not want him to be merely reacting to what Jodha says with either a silent supplication to her as an easy way out, or an eyelock that changes tack! Will he even try to talk with her and discuss why things happened the way they did? I want to see the decisions of a strong man who is driven to make a turning point out of the crisis in his life. All of us who analyse this serial are looking for the strength in the characters we love so that the story has great value to us. What I would hate to see, for the sake of expediency and the swing of TRps, is "too simplistic ways out of tough situations".

The net reason for my raising these six questions above is that I am already beginning to feel a bit shortchanged on the character of Jalal whom I adore. I feel as if Jalal is being made to look like a bit of an ass just to be able to carry the story forward. Maybe I am over-reacting or anticipating wrongly. Maybe some of my judgements above are not sound. But it's the trend of things that I have seen in the last two episodes that makes me nervous about what butchery is in store for the character of Jalal!

The whole of last week we were all upset that this anger of Jalal was so over the top that it was beginning to seem like an incredible stretch of the imagination. I want to thank Shyamala for making it sound reasonable that Jalal was doing all this from a deep sense of mistrust from childhood and from a deep sense of betrayal from Jodha with whom he had let down his guard.

This week we collectively heaved a sigh of relief that the war is finally over and the culprit is being tailed, and that Jalal would be a character worth watching for his ability to withstand pressure and emerge well from these trials he has been under. But if the last week's "ridiculous anger" of Jalal is being replaced with this week's "ridiculous decisions and reactions" of Jalal, I would feel very disappointed.

Till I have good explanations to the six questions above I will personally not feel OK. I hope all other regular members on this Forum have found explanations for all of these kinds of questions. I want to find that I can trust in the reactions and growth of Jalal. I want to see a man who makes sense. His character is too important to me to be able to accept ridiculousness as his "stock-in-trade".

Now in a bid to make Jalal apologise to Jodha, I hope he is not again portrayed as a "grovelling" person. He has to have his dignity intact in the process of redressing the mistakes he has made.

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lashy thumbnail
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Posted: 12 years ago
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As for your first few questions on the war, I have NOTHING to answer for it NOR defend it - the scenes were abysmally directed and personally, I feel they depicted Jalal, his courtiers, his army, the Sujanpuris - EVERYONE weak and silly!
Some are defending the Mughal army stating that they were not yet ready...I read Shyamala aunty's reply somewhere that stated 'Did they need breakfast in bed to get ready?'
There are 24 hour soldiers stationed FOR A REASON...and these soldiers guard not only the emperor but all of his important aides 😕

Similar is your observation on the wry smile in his bathtub - I didn't understand the significance of it. I've come the conclusion that it is a not-very-well directed continuation of his dialogue to his AmmiJaan - 'That the wounds on a warrior are a token of his victory at the battlefield' He was relishing his wounds - if you know what I mean! LOL

As for Jalal swinging his sword on Jodha, hmmm...but, what else did you expect dear?😊

He is not emotionally invested in Jodha for certain and they've shown him to be very emotionally invested in what was his child-to-be
He thinks he HATES her...and tries acting thus!
He is obsessed about trying NOT to be obsessed about her - thus, any reaction by her incites an extreme reaction
She stormed in there deliberately (knowing what pushes his buttons) and incited him so that he would raise his sword upon her
He is the emperor (this is 16th century autocracy) and technically he owes a culprit (even a royal) no explanation - especially one who's just confessed to royal treason!
I read somewhere that Jalal was always known to be impulsive...he mellowed down in his later years!
(Alakh please help me out here - apparently I read that, Jalal didn't trust his own temper and in his later years made a decree that trials would be tried thrice in front of him - just in case he acted brashly!)
Edited by lashy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

As for your first few questions on the war, I have NOTHING to answer for it NOR defend it - the scenes were abysmally directed and personally, I feel they depicted Jalal, his courtiers, his army, the Sujanpuris - EVERYONE weak and silly!

Some are defending the Mughal army stating that they were not yet ready...I read Shyamala aunty's reply somewhere that stated 'Did they need breakfast in bed to get ready?'
There are 24 hour soldiers stationed FOR A REASON...and these soldiers guard not only the emperor but all of his important aides 😕

Similar is your observation on the wry smile in his bathtub - I didn't understand the significance of it. I've come the conclusion that it is a not-very-well directed continuation of his dialogue to his AmmiJaan - 'That the wounds on a warrior are a token of his victory at the battlefield' He was relishing his wounds - if you know what I mean! LOL

As for Jalal swinging his sword on Jodha, hmmm...but, what else did you expect dear?😊

He is not emotionally invested in Jodha for certain
He thinks he HATES her...and tries acting thus!
He is obsessed about trying NOT to be obsessed about her - any reaction by her incites an extreme reaction
She stormed in there deliberately (knowing what pushes his buttons) and incited him so that he would raise his sword upon her
He is the emperor (this is 16th century autocracy) and technically he owes a culprit (even a royal) no explanation - especially one who's just confessed to royal treason!
I read somewhere that Jalal has always known to be impulsive...he mellowed down in his later years!

Lashy, thanks for confirming to me that I am not the only one finding all this too extremely ridiculous. But what is the solution? More of the same crap?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Lashy, thanks for confirming to me that I am not the only one finding all this too extremely ridiculous. But what is the solution? More of the same crap?


I did find the war execution ridiculous...but not really the rest of it...hmmm if anything, I found yesterday's episode quite redeeming and well-directed/thought of!😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy


I did find the war execution ridiculous...but not really the rest of it...hmmm if anything, I found yesterday's episode quite redeeming and well-directed/thought of!😳

I haven't seen enough of a change in Jalal though. Yesterday's episode had a turn of events, but in his reactions to Jodha, Salima etc there was not much I could see different.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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But the beautiful journey has not even begun yet...A few seconds of sword fight and a beautiful Arthi have not mellowed his iron heart...he has seen a lot of beauties in his life...he needs more than that...and SHE MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THAT!
😳
trust me, once these two are in love - we'd look back at these 'hatred' filled days and relish them as this was after all the start of that very journey!


Edited by lashy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Mansi to all your 6 questions , I hv only 1 thing to say , Ekta is reducing Jalal to one of her typical dumb daily soap heroes who dont hv a mind of his own but does everything depending on other's actions

These questions r in my mind too because everytime I m hoping now Jalal will do something on his own , use his brain , find out real culprit ..etc etc .. I m hugely disappointed .. Ruqaiyya is looking far more intelligent and a true princess than Jalal right now .. what I was expecting Jalal to do , unfortunately Ruqaiyya is doing it all 😕 ..

And coming to Sujjanpur war , even thought I loved the execution of whole war , but its difficult to digest that a intelligent king like Jalal will hv no idea that Sujjanpur dacoits and troops can attack anytime and he will need those 4 Amer boys to save himself .. so he never had any back up plan there and if there was no Amer boys , he would hv been defeated by a small province 😕😕...

Its high time CVs do some damage control for Jalal ka character and not make him one of those typical daily soap heroes who so easily falls prey to other's words and cannot hv a mind of his own ..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

But the beautiful journey has not even begun yet...A few seconds of sword fight and a beautiful Arthi have not mellowed his iron heart...he has seen a lot of beauties in his life...he needs more than that...and SHE MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THAT!

😳
trust me, once these two are in love - we'd look back at these 'hatred' filled days and relish them as this was after all the start of that very journey!


I am hopeful after seeing you have so much hope!😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
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mansi...jalal is conditioned to think of himself as Emperor ,the God ...he has people around him feeding him that...yesterday look at ruqaiyya ka dialogues ..it was how could jodha defy the Emperor and dare to lie to him...so he marches off to her not only angry at her lie but angry that he was nearly going to kill her for it...in order for things to register to such a mule headed person it will take time...jalal is very very very arrogant ...and change will occur but not instantly...jodha's talks will have some effect on him but for him to actually turn into a thinking empathetic reasonable human it will take time

his reactions and actions regarding jodha are always extreme...he hates the fact that he is obsessed with her and hence he wants to prove to himself she is his enemy and nothing else...he is impulsive and hot headed...the decision to swing the sword was not that of the Emperor or the father but the man who was betrayed and made fool of ...he let his emotional guard down and a mere woman fooled him ...jalal would never accept that ..hence his extreme reaction..

jalal most certainly does not love jodha at present..the seeds of affection just got sowed on the poetry wala day and it got destroyed too that same day...besides why are people surprised ...hav e we not seen people n love to commit murder of their lovers...crime of passion...in that moment of utmost anger nothing makes sense..no one makes sense...he is the jallad we saw in the first week of the show...it is pride and arrogance that rides him...what he feels for jodha is a extreme obsession ,fixation and he is unable to get ridd of it or even make sense out of it...his emotional turmoil got the better out of him...

the strategy in the war scene was really ridiculous no arguments on that and the hamaam scene even i feel it was bad editing ...the flashbacks and the smirk made no sense together

about salima ,hopefully he will use his brains this time ...and he should coz she is not jodha hence she is entitled to reasons and stable emotions lol...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Mansi to all your 6 questions , I hv only 1 thing to say , Ekta is reducing Jalal to one of her typical dumb daily soap heroes who dont hv a mind of his own but does everything depending on other's actions

These questions r in my mind too because everytime I m hoping now Jalal will do something on his own , use his brain , find out real culprit ..etc etc .. I m hugely disappointed .. Ruqaiyya is looking far more intelligent and a true princess than Jalal right now .. what I was expecting Jalal to do , unfortunately Ruqaiyya is doing it all 😕 ..

And coming to Sujjanpur war , even thought I loved the execution of whole war , but its difficult to digest that a intelligent king like Jalal will hv no idea that Sujjanpur dacoits and troops can attack anytime and he will need those 4 Amer boys to save himself .. so he never had any back up plan there and if there was no Amer boys , he would hv been defeated by a small province 😕😕...

Its high time CVs do some damage control for Jalal ka character and not make him one of those typical daily soap heroes who so easily falls prey to other's words and cannot hv a mind of his own ..

Jyoti, see I can even tolerate a bad story ... we can at least say that it was rubbish to begin with. But if the story is one that we all want to watch, but in the process of portraying the story there is no thought given to how the characters look silly or are butchered that feels more hurtful to me as a viewer. Here we are all analysing the characters and the story every day relishing the way we hope to see strength in the story and the characters. But if mindlessness is the way forward for the Creatives what is the use of us following the trials of these characters?
Edited by skanda12 - 12 years ago

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