YHJ- Is Ronit Roy using Creatine drug?

In today's episode, Rohit Roy wanted to give protein powder and creatine to his brother Ronit Roy for answering questions right....

I don't know if they know this, but this is creatine is a drug that makes amino acids and he is using this performance enhancing drug to build body and to win an athletic competition. Yeh Hai Jalwa is a sort of physical competition, very strenuous and energetic. Is this ethical for an actor of Ronit's stature to use Creatine to get an upper hand in the dance competition?

This is directly from Wikipedia...none of the content is the author's...

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Creatine is a drug to enhance physique and athletic performance.


Wikipedia says this about Creatine...

Controversy

While creatine's effectiveness in the treatment of many muscular, neuromuscular, and neuro-degenerative diseases is documented,^[6] its utility as a performance-enhancing food supplement in sports has been questioned^[7] (see creatine supplements for more information). Some have even proposed that its use as a performance enhancer should be banned.^{[8] [9] [10]} Despite this, creatine remains very popular.^[11]

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Now my question to all the viewers and audience, would you vote for your favorite actor if you know that they are using creatine? This doesn't really pertain to Ronit Roy, but in general...

I also did not like them actually advertising it on the show, so more teenagers can go and buy this stuff and use it. There are lot of side effects to this drug.

Lot of wrestlers and athletes were banned from olympics and other major competitions for taking various forms of steroids and performance enhancing drugs. Barry Bonds and a famous texas baseball player were taken to courts on the suspicion and the case is still under investigation.

I wouldn't go this far but a lingering question is, should actors be ousted from the competition for the use of a performance enhancing drug?

😕 Oh now that is much of a controversy here... But to be more frank... Ronit's energy level have always been up and down... Not in all performances has he had the same energy level as some teams who have maintained constant energy level... But he didn't take it because he was in the competition... But he has been taking it regularly in his daily life... Well maybe that is not right, but neither we can say it wrong

Originally posted by: maha_prakrti

😕 But he didn't take it because he was in the competition... But he has been taking it regularly in his daily life... Well maybe that is not right, but neither we can say it wrong

Well, the drug has a lot of side effects, moodiness, aggression etc. Also repeated usage causes heart failures in some people. You can check the wiki for the side effects of the drug...

It is definitely wrong, according to most of the athletic associations around the world.

SRK is repeatedly requested not to smoke, because he is condoning the habit amongst teenagers, when actors use PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drugs, then their fans start using them too...so logically, we could say it's wrong...

Creatine supplementation, in the dosages commonly used, results in urinary concentrations that are 90 times greater than normal. The long term effects of this have not been investigated, but there is possibility for a variety of nephrotoxic, i.e., kidney damaging, events. There is potential for direct toxicity on renal tubules where urine is formed, and for acceleration of kidney stone formation. Recently, a baseball player for the Houston Astros was determined to have suffered from dehydration, kidney stones, and transient kidney damage as the result of creatine supplementation. Additionally, the deaths of 3 collegiate wrestlers this past year are being investigated to determine what role creatine supplementation may have played.

Impurities are present in virtually every manufactured product, and in some cases, even though the product may be considered harmless, the impurity is not. Such was the case in the late 1980's when an epidemic of cases of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, including over 30 deaths, were blamed on a contaminant present in L-tryptophan, an amino acid supplement widely taken as a sleep aid. Creatine, and other such supplements, are not regulated by the FDA. No published investigation has been conducted on creatine to determine what impurities might be present in creatine supplements, and what their long term effect might be.

After reading the side-effects, I definitely think it's wrong.

Creatine happens to be the best selling bodybuilding supplement in the world.

Anyone that is into muscle building would know that simple fact. It's purpose is simply to enhance musclemass by making the muscles respond better to exercise.

There is nothing remotely illegal about creatine. How it got classed as an anabolic steroid is something I'm totally confused about. Anabolic teroids are things like different forms of HGH, like testosterone, and Deca-Durabolin - they have a direct impact on performance.

Anyways, no wrestler has ever been banned for taking creatine supplements - only banned substances like the ones mentioned above result in suspensions. I'd like to hear of just one athlete that has been been for using creatine supplements.

I can't say for sure, but I'd guess that most people that take supplements for weight gain or muscle mass, they'll have taken something with creatine in it.

Anyways, a performance enhancer is something like the Redbull drink. Caffiene and Taurine is known to increase metabolism and enhance performance... in the same way that redbull is not illegal, neither are creatine supplements.

If a ban was to be placed on creatine supplements, then for consistency, even protein supplements should also be banned. And of course, slimming products should also take a ban for the sake of fairness also 😆

And so for ethics, I'd say that if it's unethical to use a legal supplement (that is not an anabolic steroid), then all other contestants should be banned from drinking anythhing containing caffiene - anything from redbull to tea (even herbal tea).

To cut a long story short, there is nothing unethical about using legal supplements. If anything facts should be gotten straight before labling anything as an anabolic steroid.

One last thing about creatine being classed as a steroid... I'm copy-pasting this from another website (and so it is not my own) -

Q: Is Creatine a Steroid?

A: I would like to dispel this myth by giving you the definition of what an anabolic steroid is. These are synthetic versions of the male hormone testosterone. Creatine, as you will see below is not. Basically anyone who says this should immediately be labeled a gymbecile.

(source - http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/creatine%20myths%20and_facts. htm)

God bless.

I definitely don't consider myself a gymbecile. I regularly work out, participate in half marathons and have a family that is has ranked tennis players. So I know a bit about performance enhancers/FDA disapproved drugs etc. from other gym rats.

Generally speaking if you refer to any websites that are propagating the body building myth, you would not hear about the side effects of the drug.

In U.S, the FDA has declared this drug as a 'Performance Enhancing Drug' that increases testosterone and has not given it's blessing.

Food and Drug Association in America, (unlike other countries) is very strict about clinical trials over long periods of time before it comes out and says it's legal and it's a substance that is safe.

I only referred to Wikipedia and Mayoclinic which are really bothered about what the drug does to people, not the websites which actually are selling the usage...😃 😃

Here is a mayoclinic report about Teenagers...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/performance-enhancing-drugs /SM00045



In my son's school, the tennis team was warned not to use creatine because it caused extreme muscle cramping and sometimes renal failure amongst kids who used it.

Also, it seems like I touched on some sensitive souls who are Ronit's fans. My intention is to tell people that advertise placement on a national TV about a product that has several side effects is tantamount to selling alcohol/cigarettes to underage teenagers.

I guess lot of people do use plastic surgery, diet supplements, unapproved drugs etc to keep in shape in the entertainment industry. Ronit is just one of those people. 😛😛

BTW: I am not going to trade anymore back and forth answers on this subject. I said what I wanted to say!😛

I really don't mind, and he is not using this for jalwa but for actual muscle building and his training for Mahabharat. I m sure his trainer knows best, and he must have asked him to take it.

Vanderbilt College issued this about 3 deaths of wrestlers..

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/W restlingandCreatine.htm

Challo, if one of the worlds most popular and trusted typs of supplements are really that Earth shatteringly bad, then I suppose that millions of users need to be directed to this topic to have their lives saved 😆

The USA may have strict athletic commisions for sports, and I trust that their rules are stringest. I don't have friends that are in the sports journalism line in New York, but I do have some in Las Vegas and Houston... and so I know a little about drug testing policies there. The Nevada State Athletic Commision does not test ban fighters for taking creatine supplements 😆 I'd be surprised if it was any different in Texas also. At the end of the day, they test for anabolic steroids - which creatine frankly is not.

And also, that Mayo Clinic article had a separate paragraph for anabolic steroids and did not class creatine as one - contrary to what you wrote in your first post brother.

Anyways, creatine causing muscle cramping... that could well be true. Most supplements have some sort of side effect. Too much of any supplement will defintiely be unfavourable.

Take red bull for example - it has the combination of Caffiene and Taurine. I think more songs should be sung about the ill effects of those things. They can result in things like depression, affects on heartbeat, muscle spasms, and sometimes even death!

In the same way, side effects like that aren't being talked about - despite the fact that 90% of American adults consume caffiene daily (according to good ol' Wikipedia 😃 ). And you know, a good guess would say that most of the YHJ contestants do have a can of red bull (or similar drink) also... but no songs being sung there about the ill-effects of the drug.

Of course, caffiene is not illegal... in the same way that creatine is not illegal. No sport to my knowledge has banned the use of creatine supplements. But yeah, if a YHJ finalist is offered to take those supplements, then despite it being the worlds most popular muscle building form of supplement, and despite there being no ban on it by any international olympic committee or international sports federation, it's being labelled as an anabolic steroid and that anyone who uses it is being unethical 😆

Just a simple line of thought from me - if there was some ethical issue or serious danger from it's use, I think that it would be outlawed from at the two governing bodies mentioned above... after all, sports are far more stringent about such both health and ethics than a 9X dance show 😃

God bless.

Originally posted by: Sheena_Row

Vanderbilt College issued this about 3 deaths of wrestlers..

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/W restlingandCreatine.htm

A few snippets from that article -

The Poortmans et al study (1997) concludes, "short-term oral creatine supplementation does not appear to have any detrimental effect on the renal responses of healthy men."

... no hard evidence exists between Reese's death and creatine supplementation...

It's not approved by the FDA, but it's legal. With wrestlers, they tend to die because of anabolic steroid usage - and of course, unlike creatine, anabolics are not something that they happily declare that they are using - and so conducting tests and research is a bit tricky with them.

Anyways, the same guy that trained SRK is training the likes of Ronit Sir, Mr Chetan Hansraj, and also Mr Hiten Tejwani... and he is the one that is recommending the supplements to the guys he is training. I may not know that guy, but a guess from me would say that he is not trying to kill the people he is training 😃

One last thing... "sensetive souls that are Ronit Roy fans" was mentioned - I think I'm the only one that is replying in length on this topic and so the plaural is unneccessary. I love gymming and so this topic is of interest to me - it's the topic on hand that is of interest to me. I just felt the need to negate false information... if doing that makes anyone come across as a sensetive soul, then tathastu (so be it) 😆

It's just that in the initial post, creatine was referred to as an anabolic storoid and it was also suggested that Wikipedia had stated that... but now it's been editted out 😆 My post has served it's purpose. 😃 It also goes to show that unlike suggested, wikipedia hadn't branded creatine as an anabolic in the first place!

This topic started off about the fairness of the use of a popular and LEGAL supplement that is NOT AN ANABOLIC STEROID (despite what was implied 😆 )... it implied unfairness. But now it's all about whether it is good for health or not 😆 I think more info is available in body building forums.

Going back to ethics, no I don't see a problem with it, and would I still vote for the man... If he breaks rules and uses illegal substances (like anabolic steroids 😆 ), then no, he doesn't get my vote. But seeing as that is NOT the case (despite the attempted accusation), I'm not changing who I'm voting for 😃

God bless.

My post served it's purpose, Creatine has caused deaths and is a dangerous product. My purpose was to let the teenagers who watch the show know that this product even though endorsed by Ronit Roy is known to cause serious side effects.

The product is not thoroughly tested by FDA and not approved for the reasons above.

I would highly recommend not going to the body building forums to use the drug, rather go to a legal doctor (not even coaches and physical trainers know all the side effects, all they are concerned with are fast results, they don't care how you get them.), tell them your medical history, your usage of other drugs and drinks and then ask the recommended dosage, age which you can use the drug, conditions where the drug is harmful.

For instance if you use Gatorade (a lot of it) and Creatine it has side effects. It is a diuretic and in places like India, where there is a lot of heat, it is known to cause dehydration. Renal failure is another side effect.

Case and point made! Creatine is an unsafe drug...As for the ethics and legalities are concerned, the literature is ambiguous, but I would highly recommend people reading the case of the 3 people who died.

It was suggested that one of the death was not conclusive while strong suspicion is attached to it. The other two deaths were conclusive.

And to be fair to Ronit, his brother was the one who mentioned the drug, and I did edit my opinions, because it wouldn't be fair, especially since I am not a doctor, even if I have plenty of doctor friends that wouldn't make me a doctor...😆😆😆

I would kind of feel the same if SRK's mother came on the show and said that she was going to gift him 40 packs of cigarettes or Hrithik Roshan's father comes and says he is going to gift him a bottle of Chivas Regal whiskey/ or blue label... At least the cigarettes and alcohol are not sold to under 18 and under 21 kids...but creatine is marketed and sold online and kids being kids are influenced by their idols, so they can buy them online.