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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: mzeesana

Hello All,

as a guy i am also ashamed of what the husbands did...
I agree maybe there was an elaborate plan between Khushi and Arnav. Maybe Khushi ( the angel that she is) told Arnav don't say anything to di about you knowing things that will devastate her. Even if there was a plan there was no reason for him to stand by and see Khushi being humiliated. I would never never be able to see injustice no matter even if it was my own mother.

What i find is unfair to us viewers is that CV could change the plot in a heart beat after reading all this forum comments and bring some other stupid twist to justify what happened and then everyone in the forum will say " oh now it makes sense... and move on

how we all forgot Arnavs treatment of Khushi when he forcefully married her... that was unforgiveable.
Arnav himself has told Khushi million times you are just after a rich guy...
When someone that you love says those things to you i just don't understand how Khushi could be in that environment... Out of her true feelings she resued ASR... time for her to move on
she needs to evaluate her position... and please Khushi stop with this half assed ideas of wanting to open up a jalebi shop and the next day teaching kids and so on... Lets see some serious side for once...

And people we all forget one person who should be blamed in all this is the gupta parivar especially BUAJI... i want the truth to come out that Khushi married Arnav cause of Payal...

Khushi will always be the one people will blame abuse and push around ... Girl for once stay in the back ground and let others dig their own grave... and please listen thhis time around

if you can get past the raba ve that is




Very well said. I believe the people who tolerate a wrong, are as guilty as the person doing wrong. I place less blame on Shyam and more on the so-called upstanding citizens... They watched their son in law tear apart their daughters-in-law and stood their speechless. I hope Khushi and Payal leaves Shantivan after this. They thought they married men, but one whiff of trouble and they turned into yellow bellied cowards. They have no right to get married... There was only one man I saw there, and that was NK. If I were Khushi, I'd marry Nk and leave Arnav. At least he will protect me when I need him, not watch drama standing in the corner. There better not be any Rabba ve before Arnav grovels with the rest of the family.
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Posted: 13 years ago
thanks!

I been really analyzing this fair bit and am thinking what must the CV be thinking?

what drives them to stories? is it the society or is it their experience? do they get swayed
by what the audience has to say

i am angry at the show right now but i don't want them to modify things cause they are unpopular
i rather know where they are going with this instead of coming up with some stupid twist
just to compensate and please the audience.

As for marring NK... i like NK but i do have to admit ASR gets khushi all excited... if it was physical i would be like whatever but she feels spiritual connections to him. that is why i can't understand CV.. they have such a good plot... this is a connections of two souls that has magic between them
and they are ruining it. They are making Arnav come across as weak and selfish which he is not.
He has this pride and " my way or highway attitude" . I can put up with all that but the inhumane side that he has that is not acceptable at all...

Khushi leave no matter what they say... LEAVE NOW


GET OUUUT
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Posted: 13 years ago
Do read this analysis, from another forum member.

It's very well said and explains why ASR did what he did.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: aath

Do read this analysis, from another forum member.


It's very well said and explains why ASR did what he did.



I read her post and this was my answer.

I will accept your explanation only if I see Arnav protect Khushi before one single word against her is spoken on Monday. But if he runs after his fainting Di and Khushi has to endure even one word of insult, then sorry, his super understanding man of few words attitude does not cut it for me.

He might be a man of few words and does not give explanation but what use is he to Khushi when his family members insult her? When he was hurling insults at Khushi, then he had plenty to say... Now when it comes to defending her, suddenly he is a man of few words?

Just saying Khushi is as important as Di, does not work if he does not follow it up by his action. Khushi hurt her head trying to save him. The back of her head bled. But Arnav did not bother stopping Shyam and checking for possible concussion. He kept holding his perfectly fine Di, just pregnant like the rest of the pregnant woman in the world.

May be because Khushi bears her pain alone and does not swoon and behave like his delicate Di getting sympathy votes...

But I will give Arnav the benefit of doubt until Monday. If he protects Khushi's reputation, then I will take back everything I said. However, if he leaves Khushi under the mercy of his family's taunts and insults and runs after his Di, then sorry... He will be a failure as a husband in my eyes.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tia.o



I read her post and this was my answer.

I will accept your explanation only if I see Arnav protect Khushi before one single word against her is spoken on Monday. But if he runs after his fainting Di and Khushi has to endure even one word of insult, then sorry, his super understanding man of few words attitude does not cut it for me.

He might be a man of few words and does not give explanation but what use is he to Khushi when his family members insult her? When he was hurling insults at Khushi, then he had plenty to say... Now when it comes to defending her, suddenly he is a man of few words?

Just saying Khushi is as important as Di, does not work if he does not follow it up by his action. Khushi hurt her head trying to save him. The back of her head bled. But Arnav did not bother stopping Shyam and checking for possible concussion. He kept holding his perfectly fine Di, just pregnant like the rest of the pregnant woman in the world.

May be because Khushi bears her pain alone and does not swoon and behave like his delicate Di getting sympathy votes...

But I will give Arnav the benefit of doubt until Monday. If he protects Khushi's reputation, then I will take back everything I said. However, if he leaves Khushi under the mercy of his family's taunts and insults and runs after his Di, then sorry... He will be a failure as a husband in my eyes.

Thanks for reading her post. That says a lot about you...😊

You are right. Monday will tell us all many things.

At this point, I feel , The whole family believe Khushi but all of this revelation is a huge shock/blow to them. They knew Khushi was saying the truth but the truth was unbelievably disgusting and about a man they all trusted their precious and fragile daughter with.

And they also knew, between Anjali and Khushi, Anjali was the weaker one, who would not be able to accept this truth strongly.

I think, Arnav knew all along, that Khushi was saying the truth, but he kept quiet as he wanted his Khushi to have her say and he was carefully gauging his Di's response as well as realising how much pain and trouble Khushi endured to free him from the kidnappers.

He only stepped in, when Khushi asked him to, which tells me that he respects her a lot.

His response was a carefully thought one and not emotional. He is ASR who uses his brain. He was not interested in more tamasha at that point as he knew that it would affect his di. He also knew he could explain the truth to his family later. First things first. Shyam had to leave.

Edited by aath - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
No problem. As I said, I'm open to all opinions whether they match mine or not. I liked all comments on my thread, even the ones that were not particularly matching my own. I'd like to see ASR redeem himself on Monday. Trust me, no one wants it more than I do... I love this character. My complaint is to the CVs. I mentioned in my thread before.

I felt I was watching two women strip down in front of their husbands and family and no one except NK was saying anything to stop that emotional rape. It was as uncomfortable for me to watch as a physical rape.

Originally posted by: aath

Thanks for reading her post. That says a lot about you...😊

You are right. Monday will tell us all many things.

At this point, I feel , The whole family believe Khushi but all of this revelation is a huge shock/blow to them. They knew Khushi was saying the truth but the truth was unbelievably disgusting and about a man they all trusted their precious and fragile daughter with.

And they also knew, between Anjali and Khushi, Anjali was the weaker one, who would not be able to accept this truth strongly.

I think, Arnav knew all along, that Khushi was saying the truth, but he kept quiet as he wanted his Khushi to have her say and he was carefully gauging his Di's response as well as realising how much pain and trouble Khushi endured to free him from the kidnappers.

He only stepped in, when Khushi asked him to, which tells me that he respects her a lot.

His response was a carefully thought one and not emotional. He is ASR who uses his brain. He was not interested in more tamasha at that point as he knew that it would affect his di. He also knew he could explain the truth to his family later. First things first. Shyam had to leave.

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Posted: 13 years ago
hats off for the post,, and ur sharp eye!!👍🏼


"POSITIVE viewers raise ur hands pls!!"

see the post

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3077767

what would have happened if he opened his mouth:(but I too noticed so many other loop-holes too)

SHYAM MANOHAR JHA
Know why didn't Arnav disclose about him witnessing Shyam saying that he cannot leave Khushi and that he loves her???

What will happen if Shyam asks again(just like he accused Khushi before every one asking her to tell whether she did or didn't tell that she wanted to ruin Arnav)
about what Khushi has said( as he already Knew that ASR had accused Khushi and the reason behind forceful marriage was this---but he is not aware of the present condition between the lovers ,,ofcourse)

And what will happen if ASR has to diclose about Khushi's words and the contract marriage infront of the family??

ASR knows Shyam is pretty capable to use his croocked brain to use all the statements,, and the verbale witnessing evidence turn upside down to make the listner purplezed and then to blindly believe in the instant fairy stories he weaves in no time!!

So , he may have felt that it is better to keep quiet, that causing any harm to Khushi.

SEE HOW MANY LOOP-HOLES WERE THERE IN THERE??

HOW MANY CONTRADICTORY STORIES SHYAM MADE?? HIS FISRT WORDS HAD NO CONNECTION WITH THE LAST WORDS...

HE has trapped himself in his own snare,, the more he tries to come out from the trap he layed for Khushi,,the more he gets entangled and get all his hands and feet glued in the dirty matter!!

Don't u think that
ASR HAS NOTICED HOW SHYAM GOT ENTANGLED IN HIS OWN LIES!!
We cannot deny the fact that the silent spectator ASR veiw the full scene just like we the audience did!!

so, if we have noticed those loop-holes we cannot deny the fact ASR has noticed those too,,

Shyam beign a LIZARD and changing the skin colours according to the new situations ---
his mouth will work as soon as he listens to some one uttering the truth,,(without any preplanning --)
and then when he continues reaccusing the one who has accused him,,he gets a sudden turn and remembering of that "RE-accusing" may cause damage to him,,
so he suddenly drives away from the route and starts defending himself!!

There were somany examples for this ,, and fell ASR too has noticed those:

**Payal to speak scene:

1. Shyam first "re-accused" Payal for hiding the "TRUTH" for the sake of her marriage

2.Then he came to senses and suddenly changed his word telling that "she didn't tell anything ,because nothing such has happend" DEFENDING

3.And the final dirty step was to deleberately create stories to "RUIN TO OPONENTS CHARACTER"

this was Shyam's way of facing the proof ,, so if ASR's proof was out--who can guarantee that the same thing won't happen to ASR's prooves??

''ANJALI''
Why ASR was thinking twice before reacting , why ASR was supporting Anjali too much???

There is a fact that all of us has forgotten ,because we are hyper in the situation of Khushi is being insulted,, but if we come out of the frame to see the actual situtation,, Anjali will be the most deviastated after the revealation and face-off of Shyam,,
so there should be someone to support her-- not meaning that the supporter should hide the truth ,, but yet to make her feel that there is some one to support her,,

Anjali:

1.has lost the parents, thrown out from SM by her own uncle, then the wedding was interrupted--dark memories of her past

2.Has a weak heart,, too sensible and can be dragged in to a drepressed state even with a slightest problem (se how she reacted and shed tears even over the other's problems)

3.Now she is pregnant

4.She has too much trust over her husband-- he treats him like a "GOD".., so the sudden accusations will be a huge blow upon her

5.Anjali has to face the situation of choosing inbetween her most loved men in the world (her husband and the brother),, ---Shyam kidnapping ASR---attack over eachother

6.And the accusations aroused from the family members itself,,and those intaract with her brother's family life,, if he Chooses to believe Shyam her brothers marriage will be ruined , and if he chooses to believe Khushi her marrriage will be ruined

and the present condition of RM lead the spectators of RM go dumb with surprize and shocked with the whole story whether not knowing to believe whom,,, and they are not aware of what is happenning to the person standing next to them,,, so no one has noticed how Anjali needs help and support as they themselves need support to breath after the full dramatic episode!!!

ASR is not wrong of taking such a decision!!



ASR STYLE
1. No verbal accusations, as he will make all those upside down(even though ASR gives proof from what he has heard and seen between Khushi and Shyam, Shyam will definetely has something to cover himself and make the ithers believe him)---so, ASR told the whole story without a single word!!
2.ASR has noticed that shyam is using Anjali as a shield when he becomes weak,,so he didn't give any fuRther oppotunities to Shyam to fool Anjali and arouse her anger to defend himself.

Didn't I tell u that ASR will :
1. observe the oponent first
2.He will get ready with a full diffence that he will not have any attacks in return
3.then he will see his weak ponts-- where to attack
4.Finally he will wait for the "CORRECT MOMENT" to come
5 A..T...TTTA...A.AAAKKK!!




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Posted: 13 years ago
hello,

i read your explaination very carefully about why ASR did not speak up

first of all the statement that was made that ASR observes his opponent then makes his move?
why did he not do that with Khushi? why did he force her into marriage?... i guess the answer would
be that he had to get it done before Akash got married? but he threatened Khushi even after Akashw was already married so that would not matter.

If you notice when it comes to Khushi he never took time to make a decisions? even though time after time she proved him wrong he still did not even once pause to think maybe Khushi is not lying.

he always doubted her even before the shyam khushi scene on the balcony...

The other thing is if he couldn't say anything about knowing about Khushi and shyam... he could have spoke up when payal was being insulted. he could have said Payal had refused to marry Akash and that they had done a drama that akash has jumped

i can go on so please lets not defend ASR and his style of observing his opponent

To me they have always treated Khushi the same way... always insulting her then apologizing

i think its time that Khushi come to her senses that she will always come across as gold digger

i just want Nani to speak up on behalf of Khushi... to me that matters the most... i don't really have too much respect for ASR... he always has abused her and then helped Khushi
i know there has been instances he has done to just get reactions out of her i love those instances that is fine its almost cute but please don't tell me that he has changed... i have yet to see that ...

the irony is i am guilty of loving the raba ve moments


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: slanka

hats off for the post,, and ur sharp eye!!👍🏼



"POSITIVE viewers raise ur hands pls!!"

see the post

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3077767

what would have happened if he opened his mouth:(but I too noticed so many other loop-holes too)

SHYAM MANOHAR JHA
Know why didn't Arnav disclose about him witnessing Shyam saying that he cannot leave Khushi and that he loves her???

What will happen if Shyam asks again(just like he accused Khushi before every one asking her to tell whether she did or didn't tell that she wanted to ruin Arnav)
about what Khushi has said( as he already Knew that ASR had accused Khushi and the reason behind forceful marriage was this---but he is not aware of the present condition between the lovers ,,ofcourse)

And what will happen if ASR has to diclose about Khushi's words and the contract marriage infront of the family??

ASR knows Shyam is pretty capable to use his croocked brain to use all the statements,, and the verbale witnessing evidence turn upside down to make the listner purplezed and then to blindly believe in the instant fairy stories he weaves in no time!!

So , he may have felt that it is better to keep quiet, that causing any harm to Khushi.

SEE HOW MANY LOOP-HOLES WERE THERE IN THERE??

HOW MANY CONTRADICTORY STORIES SHYAM MADE?? HIS FISRT WORDS HAD NO CONNECTION WITH THE LAST WORDS...

HE has trapped himself in his own snare,, the more he tries to come out from the trap he layed for Khushi,,the more he gets entangled and get all his hands and feet glued in the dirty matter!!

Don't u think that
ASR HAS NOTICED HOW SHYAM GOT ENTANGLED IN HIS OWN LIES!!
We cannot deny the fact that the silent spectator ASR veiw the full scene just like we the audience did!!

so, if we have noticed those loop-holes we cannot deny the fact ASR has noticed those too,,

Shyam beign a LIZARD and changing the skin colours according to the new situations ---
his mouth will work as soon as he listens to some one uttering the truth,,(without any preplanning --)
and then when he continues reaccusing the one who has accused him,,he gets a sudden turn and remembering of that "RE-accusing" may cause damage to him,,
so he suddenly drives away from the route and starts defending himself!!

There were somany examples for this ,, and fell ASR too has noticed those:

**Payal to speak scene:

1. Shyam first "re-accused" Payal for hiding the "TRUTH" for the sake of her marriage

2.Then he came to senses and suddenly changed his word telling that "she didn't tell anything ,because nothing such has happend" DEFENDING

3.And the final dirty step was to deleberately create stories to "RUIN TO OPONENTS CHARACTER"

this was Shyam's way of facing the proof ,, so if ASR's proof was out--who can guarantee that the same thing won't happen to ASR's prooves??

''ANJALI''
Why ASR was thinking twice before reacting , why ASR was supporting Anjali too much???

There is a fact that all of us has forgotten ,because we are hyper in the situation of Khushi is being insulted,, but if we come out of the frame to see the actual situtation,, Anjali will be the most deviastated after the revealation and face-off of Shyam,,
so there should be someone to support her-- not meaning that the supporter should hide the truth ,, but yet to make her feel that there is some one to support her,,

Anjali:

1.has lost the parents, thrown out from SM by her own uncle, then the wedding was interrupted--dark memories of her past

2.Has a weak heart,, too sensible and can be dragged in to a drepressed state even with a slightest problem (se how she reacted and shed tears even over the other's problems)

3.Now she is pregnant

4.She has too much trust over her husband-- he treats him like a "GOD".., so the sudden accusations will be a huge blow upon her

5.Anjali has to face the situation of choosing inbetween her most loved men in the world (her husband and the brother),, ---Shyam kidnapping ASR---attack over eachother

6.And the accusations aroused from the family members itself,,and those intaract with her brother's family life,, if he Chooses to believe Shyam her brothers marriage will be ruined , and if he chooses to believe Khushi her marrriage will be ruined

and the present condition of RM lead the spectators of RM go dumb with surprize and shocked with the whole story whether not knowing to believe whom,,, and they are not aware of what is happenning to the person standing next to them,,, so no one has noticed how Anjali needs help and support as they themselves need support to breath after the full dramatic episode!!!

ASR is not wrong of taking such a decision!!



ASR STYLE
1. No verbal accusations, as he will make all those upside down(even though ASR gives proof from what he has heard and seen between Khushi and Shyam, Shyam will definetely has something to cover himself and make the ithers believe him)---so, ASR told the whole story without a single word!!
2.ASR has noticed that shyam is using Anjali as a shield when he becomes weak,,so he didn't give any fuRther oppotunities to Shyam to fool Anjali and arouse her anger to defend himself.

Didn't I tell u that ASR will :
1. observe the oponent first
2.He will get ready with a full diffence that he will not have any attacks in return
3.then he will see his weak ponts-- where to attack
4.Finally he will wait for the "CORRECT MOMENT" to come
5 A..T...TTTA...A.AAAKKK!!





That was just my point. There were too many loopholes which no one bothered to point out because Anjali has a bad past, she is sensitive blah blah blah.

But my question is, did Khushi have an idyllic childhood? Did she have a life without pain? She endured unlimited insults and alienation from every person she loved for no fault of her own... Then why is it still Anjali won't be able to take it things comes here? And according to Arnav, his Di and Khushi is equally important to him. Really? The things Shyam said about Khushi and you stood there listening with a few variation of expressions... if someone else, say Khushi's brother, Mr.X had said that about your Di, would you have stand by and listened the same way? No. You would have grabbed his collar way before and thrashed the daylight out of that person. You would not have thought twice that the accuser is your wife's brother. But when it came to your wife, you kept mum because the person is your Di's husband. This is where the difference between a sister and wife showed.

First he asks Khushi to prove it was Shyam's doing in front of everyone, then he keeps his mouth shut because of his Di's fragile state... His Di can bear the accusations against her husband just fine, but she can't bear it if they were proven right. What kind of logic is that?

It felt to me is that this is like, you ask A to sling mud on B and then when that mud comes back and falls on A, you stand clear of the mud and say it's because I'm scared of sickness. If Arnav was that much worried about Anjali's mental state, why ask Khushi to prove Shyam's truth in front of everyone? Why not deal with him in private? Either shut up or put up, that's my point...

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