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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: -sakshi-

Besides the trp stunt, it was the only way he could marry Anika as he never accepted his feelings for her. She succumbed to the blackmail as he was able to convince her what it could lead to..
Anika stayed back in the marriage as she knew the intentions of Tia and her husband was in a trap not only for him but for dadi and omru and priyanka too who all had made her feel like a family.
I like your take on Anika as the nayi soch.. ya she has reformed Shivaay.. he is a completely changed man..

Their marriage at the time could not be with the consent of both.. It was not possible..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: nakshatra72

The same Annika who came to work for him as his wedding planner, the same Annika who lied to the cops to save him, and again came to work for him after he insulted her.. And I don't think shivay was the sole reason for those actions his family plays a big role in her decisions.. The first thing she asked sahil if he was OK, she got to know that he was never in danger..
Yes it was a trp stunt and at that time even I felt they were butchering her character but now I don't think so.. That time it was a portrait in making, we only had bits and pieces but now when I see the finished master piece it's beautiful.. But you have ur opinion and I respect that.. Let's agree to disagree and nowadays character butchering, I won't comment on it because my blood boils looking at all the illogical irrational shit that is happening.. So.. For my own sanity and my blood pressure I am in mujhe farakh nahi padta mode..

About ranting go on.. You are most welcome to rant away your frustrations.. I might join you in a day or two..



Hey nakshatra,i agree with you but regarding Anika helping him from the gaaayatri murder case,i thought she helped him to save his family and his life but later she came to OM confusingly 😆 to ask Shivay why did she save him,i agree i loved that scene but i felt wierd at that moment why she was asking shivaay😆 She was not clear at that time why she saved him.I never say Anika a doormat,as you were particulary stressing forced mrg track,i was commenting in that context,i hated forced mrg track and post mrg track where for 1 or 2 weeks,Anika was subjected to some kind of insults by shivaay,i didn't like Anika's responses there that is where i thought she could have gone out of OM particularly in that 1 st week post mrg.that was where i felt they butchered Anika for Trp.I detached from the show at that time,but surprisingly then after they show slow progression and beautiful journey for Shivika and again i started falling for them.

If you ask about whole journey i say it has been definitely beautiful but if you ask me about particular track like forced mrg track i will say trp stunt😆,but Shivika is always special to me and Anika is always the best FL on all aspects for me.I still following updates for only Shivika,i still want to see all phases of Shivika like Anika pregnacy track,Shivika parenting phase and their journey till the end but no hopes on CVs😆,i always wanted to know Anika's past .Eventhough they are giving it in half baked way,i little bit surprised atleast they touched the topic in recent track😆.ok i just wanted to make clear my point:)😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Beautifully written Nakshatra!
And I will throw both my Chamelis at anyone who dares to say that Shivaay has not redeemed himself after becoming a beast and blackmailing Annika to marry him!
I will throw my Chamelis and Chandnees and anything heavy and solid on those who says Annika has no self respect and is a doormat. Those who think so do not understand the nuances of her character and are mentally blind.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice post Nakshtra 😳

Lolzy on the people who are still stuck on what Shivaay did was cardinal sin threatening to kill Saahil with Anika & the way he married her 😆 Let's forget that Shivika were already in love with each other before Shivaay pulled that stunt in anger & how their journey started, progressed & what they are to each other now. Coz the forced marriage was the worst which has been shown on desi TV history & other shows & PH have only shown which are socially & morally correct right? 🤔 The ones who rant about it still are just J about how organic Shivika's relationship turned out than the run of the mill BS couples of forced marriage 😳 😳 😳
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: nakshatra72

Yes shivika is beyond the forced marriage.. The small but important things are written beautifully.. And the evolution of shivay Even I was surprised sp actually let it happen.. That's what I love the most about IB.. It's what I love about the IB.. Rather than making the male lead as a spectator of his life, shivay still is the hero of his own story and so is Annika but they find a middle ground and they make their marriage work, quite relatable to everyday working couple..



Absolutely...great point about allowing both Shivaay and Anika to be the hero and heroine of their own story...they are strong as individuals, as well as a unit.


What I don't get is why ppl fixate on the forced wedding as if it was the first and last forced wedding on TV...lol it's this strange obsession...I've never seen this level of obsession over one track for any of the other shows which are filled with the same cliched forced marriage stunt...for some reason, Shivaay putting his shoe on the bed next to her head apparently made this the "darkest" and worst forced wedding ever...LOL ek taraf is the crowd that strangely gets feels from such "dark" and abusive visuals...on the other side is the faux feminist brigade out with pitchforks, ready to behead Shivaay for this...lol


I'm somewhere in the middle and the minority it seems...I found the idea of the forced wedding quite distasteful, didn't like all the manhandling, pushing around, so called flip to "beast" mode with the shoe on bed and warnings about "you don't know what I'm capable of"...it's another matter that I was also finding Shivaay's shoe on the bed funny looking cuz of his funky socks😆...


Shivaay's character didn't END that day, contrary to what some feel...yes, this was a distasteful stunt that deffo undermined his character that day...yes, we got to see an extreme side of him that played to Gulneet's "dark fantasies"...but as you pointed out in your post, twisted as it was, there was a reasoning behind this...a dark haze of anger driving this...and a well established history already existing b/w Shivika...where they grew from that point is what made this journey worth the while...the forced wedding is but a distasteful blip on the radar of this journey to me...one can appreciate NM-SC's performances in that dark chapter but otherwise, what matters to me is how far Shivika came from that point...that day wasn't the sum of their relationship...there was a lot before and a LOT more after it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Its rather amusing how people are stuck on 15mins of forced marriage but totally undermine the months of evolution shown in their journey post forced marriage. For me IB is the only show that managed to actually show some real remorse guilt from the ML for what he did that day. Shivaay on many occasions has in the past shown guilt for what he did for the longest of time has desperately wanted to make ammends for forcing her to marry him. Not once but twice. That forced marriage wasn't something to feel proud about nor did shivaay ever feel so. In a weird way there is some sort of explanation as to why it happened why was there a flip to beast mode. Not justification but some reason. Before there separation during the rasams all shivaay wanted was anika to feel special and then asking her for marriage again stressing on the fact that it should be her choice then during reunion saying she deserves a wedding that she never got the dialogue "Mujhe anika pe bhi fakr hai aur anika ka hone par bhi" when did we ever see such beautiful lines spoken in a journey and also how does one despite all this still remain stuck up on the forced wedding? After there second marriage too again he spoke about how this time the marriage is by choice her wish is there. Forced marriage wasn't a beginning of there journey rather a low point they hit yet from there on the evolution has been shown perfectly. The constant emphasis on her wish her choice in this marriage that by all means i dont remember seeing in any other forced marriage track to such extent and depth. All of this was his own thinking nobody else asked him to do so his own guilt for what happened and making it right past cannot be changed but amends can be made in the future and that has been done. In a story soo rich of evaluation people should stop pretending only forced marriage is the highlight of the story.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: nakshatra72

@prozium

I completely agree with your point.. Forced marriage is a legal crime.. But you are forgetting, IB is fiction.. Usually fictions are exaggerated.. Shivay had to force Annika to draw the parallel between story of beauty and the beast.. I am not saying it's right I am saying what followed is beautiful.. Annika for me is strong.. We have a lot of examples of people walking away from a marriage on screen and off screen but here it's different.. They actually tried to work on their marriage and tried to make it successful.. And that is a strong message in my pov.. Especially In today's world where divorce is such a common thing as shopping..


Yes Nakshatra. And also the growth of the characters shivaay and Anika from a forced marriage to what they currently are is really striking. Even with the differences they really tried to work on their marriage (and differences are many not just in class, status and other things).

To be fair forced marriage/forced zabardasti and all is nothing new and GK is not the first producer to try it. Ages ago in kutumb, then TV superstars hiten tejwani and Gauri Pradhan (who went on to take the "shipping" to actual level by marrying in real life). I remember they had a revenge marriage with each other and hiten character did forced himself on Gauri as she hurt his ego or something. That can be purely termed as rape.i wonder what kind of furore it would have caused during modern times of internet access. As someone mentioned above this forced marriage was a distateful trp track and it remains and as you have mentioned the development of the characters after that is really well written. Both the points are very well stated.

Personally I want many things in Indian shows and hopefully in the future we can get those. Overused tracks like forced marriage, bride swaps, glorification of suhaag Raat and taking it as normal and other many things.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar



Absolutely...great point about allowing both Shivaay and Anika to be the hero and heroine of their own story...they are strong as individuals, as well as a unit.


What I don't get is why ppl fixate on the forced wedding as if it was the first and last forced wedding on TV...lol it's this strange obsession...I've never seen this level of obsession over one track for any of the other shows which are filled with the same cliched forced marriage stunt...for some reason, Shivaay putting his shoe on the bed next to her head apparently made this the "darkest" and worst forced wedding ever...LOL ek taraf is the crowd that strangely gets feels from such "dark" and abusive visuals...on the other side is the faux feminist brigade out with pitchforks, ready to behead Shivaay for this...lol


I'm somewhere in the middle and the minority it seems...I found the idea of the forced wedding quite distasteful, didn't like all the manhandling, pushing around, so called flip to "beast" mode with the shoe on bed and warnings about "you don't know what I'm capable of"...it's another matter that I was also finding Shivaay's shoe on the bed funny looking cuz of his funky socks😆...


Shivaay's character didn't END that day, contrary to what some feel...yes, this was a distasteful stunt that deffo undermined his character that day...yes, we got to see an extreme side of him that played to Gulneet's "dark fantasies"...but as you pointed out in your post, twisted as it was, there was a reasoning behind this...a dark haze of anger driving this...and a well established history already existing b/w Shivika...where they grew from that point is what made this journey worth the while...the forced wedding is but a distasteful blip on the radar of this journey to me...one can appreciate NM-SC's performances in that dark chapter but otherwise, what matters to me is how far Shivika came from that point...that day wasn't the sum of their relationship...there was a lot before and a LOT more after it.

I think it was meant to happen.. To show Annika that what kind of a man he is... She has seen his bad side and then good.. But she never saw his worst... It was meant happen to show her so that if she decides to accept him she will have all the cards on table not just few.. But yes shivikas journey neither started from forced marriage nor it ended there.. It was a low point, may be even Rock bottom, but it was needed.. It was wrong on so many levels but it still was needed..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hriju321

Beautifully written Nakshatra!

And I will throw both my Chamelis at anyone who dares to say that Shivaay has not redeemed himself after becoming a beast and blackmailing Annika to marry him!
I will throw my Chamelis and Chandnees and anything heavy and solid on those who says Annika has no self respect and is a doormat. Those who think so do not understand the nuances of her character and are mentally blind.

I can never understand when some people say Annika's character has gone downhill simply because she did not walk away from that marriage.. Walking away is not always a solution you know.. And yes I have collection of old chamelis and chandinis ready to throw 😉
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: nakshatra72

I think it was meant to happen.. To show Annika that what kind of a man he is... She has seen his bad side and then good.. But she never saw his worst... It was meant happen to show her so that if she decides to accept him she will have all the cards in table not just few.. But yes shivikas journey neither started from forced marriage nor it ended there.. It was a low point, may be even Rock bottom, but it was needed.. It was wrong on so many levels but it still was needed..



I get that the IDEA behind this stunt was to show Anika Shivaay's dark/worst side...I do get that...but at the same time, I feel the details of the stunt like him throwing her on the bed, putting his foot on the bed etc. were played up for shock value more than any actual defining characteristic for Shivaay...yes, Shivaay has a ruthless side to him, has always had it...but he was never AS dark as this stunt purported to show...to me, it was a shock value stunt, nothing more...like the recent kick scene for Sumo...these are the kind of cheap ideas that Gul gets from time to time.


The general idea was to jar and shock Anika out of the belief that Shivaay can be mean but is still harmless...that he can't be that ruthless...but that could have been shown simply with kidnapping Sahil also...all the extra stuff they added in was for shock value, bas.


But yeah overall, it became serendipitious in that it invariably ended up binding them together...that's the tragic irony of the whole forced marriage trope in general.


The difference in Shivika's case is that it was never the wedding that forced them to fall in love with each other...they already had a soulful connection before that...this wedding just became an instrument to bring them together...cliched, yes...but they rose beyond that.

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