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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel_juhi04



Hey where I did not defamed our culture? Its not ur but our culture😊. I think u mistook dis sentence of my comment <font color="#ff0000">'So if our women had so much self-respect centuries earlier then why can't they have any self-respect now?' </font>but dis sentence was only point 2wards Anika case or case of all d tv serial heroines not abt d women in real life. In real life, d woman wud have been in depression right now instead of joking around wid others n helping her abuser's family doing CIDgiri.



Hey I didn't say about you yaar, I was supporting your statement, that don't defame was meant for the show producers/writers who make such claims that the Indian woman have always been pati ke Charnon ki daasi, sorry you felt so

@Soni no issues yaar, actually my dad is too much into theology, so I have read Quran, Bible, Avesta and Guru Gratnth Sahib along with the Hindu scriptures, so I do get carried away to while discussing
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism



Hey I didn't say about you yaar, I was supporting your statement, that don't defame was meant for the show producers/writers who make such claims that the Indian woman have always been pati ke Charnon ki daasi, sorry you felt so

@Soni no issues yaar, actually my dad is too much into theology, so I have read Quran, Bible, Avesta and Guru Gratnth Sahib along with the Hindu scriptures, so I do get carried away to while discussing


What's Avesta?
It's okay dear😊. Gul 1st ruined her own religion n then is ruining ours. Acc. to Hindu marriage act 1955 a forced n fraud marriage is void. Also there were no witness to d marriage as Anika was in ghunghat n others believed d bride as Tia. Gul needs to read Hindu marriage act before showing forced marriages.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel_juhi04



What's Avesta?
It's okay dear😊. Gul 1st ruined her own religion n then is ruining ours. Acc. to Hindu marriage act 1955 a forced n fraud marriage is void. Also there were no witness to d marriage as Anika was in ghunghat n others believed d bride as Tia. Gul needs to read Hindu marriage act before showing forced marriages.



Avesta is the religious text of the Zoroastrians or the Parasis as we call them in India. That along with Hinduism is the oldest existing religion in the world

Gul definitely doesn't know about Hindu Marriage while Rumya marriage happened in front of the world and is legal they are showing like there is no need for a divorce while Shivika is not even a legal marriage but they have given this divorce track
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Posted: 9 years ago
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New Age GOPI BAHU is a big problem... Sadly that is what is getting more viewers...
I hope that doesnt happen.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazy_218

New Age GOPI BAHU is a big problem... Sadly that is what is getting more viewers...

I hope that doesnt happen.

That is what I said
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Posted: 9 years ago
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A very mature, thoughtful and sensible post! 👏
Firstly, Shivaay's sympathy towards Sahil is the MOST pathetic thing they could show on national television by a lead character, even more pathetic than what he did with Anika bfr marriage. The whole Sahil walking into Oberio mansion and making him slip was done in VERY bad taste.. You are making a handicap person icon of sympathy? .. Sahil is a smart boy, who is fighting his fate, don't make him an icon of symoth because you want your hero to appear awww worthy! Sorry its neither cute nor adorable!

Secondly, unfortunately, jab se regressive stuff shuru hua hai TRPs have increased, its neither shivika, nor anything else, its the mugnlsutra se bara koi sach nai aur shaadi se bara koi rishta nai dialgiue that has lead to increase. Nothing else. People see non actors like Gopi bahu uttering these dialogues and they make the show a success, nakul and surbhi tu hazaar darje behter actors hain!

Anyways , the thing is the Shivaay has gone beyond redemption and Anika is butchered beyond repair.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.

A very mature, thoughtful and sensible post! 👏

Firstly, Shivaay's sympathy towards Sahil is the MOST pathetic thing they could show on national television by a lead character, even more pathetic than what he did with Anika bfr marriage. The whole Sahil walking into Oberio mansion and making him slip was done in VERY bad taste.. You are making a handicap person icon of sympathy? .. Sahil is a smart boy, who is fighting his fate, don't make him an icon of symoth because you want your hero to appear awww worthy! Sorry its neither cute nor adorable!

Secondly, unfortunately, jab se regressive stuff shuru hua hai TRPs have increased, its neither shivika, nor anything else, its the mugnlsutra se bara koi sach nai aur shaadi se bara koi rishta nai dialgiue that has lead to increase. Nothing else. People see non actors like Gopi bahu uttering these dialogues and they make the show a success, nakul and surbhi tu hazaar darje behter actors hain!

Anyways , the thing is the Shivaay has gone beyond redemption and Anika is butchered beyond repair.



+1 for everything you have said. I think people need to see beyond their narrow-minded "Couple shipping" to what is actually being shown. Don't draw in the audience promising them "New" things if you will just revert to type as soon as you want to get more eyeballs on a show. At least Sony have tried new concepts and even if they don't get High TRP they are being highly appreciated. Their latest launch is creating more buzz because for the first time a woman is shown more powerful than a man, and SHE is the one with a back story and dark past! At least it's different. But she is much better behaved than GK's guys.


I think if anyone thinks Shivaay is redeemable or that Annika is not butchered they are just in denial or being blind. The writing is on the wall. One of the reasons they are trying to do damage control now despite getting more TRP, even they know they went too far! Therefore trying to show ShiVika having "light moments", like really? 🤢 and showing that Shivaay is suffering (For 5 minutes) because his Brothers don't want to talk to him. Again, a joke after what they made him do for weeks. The worst part is, he is not even shown sorry, only sorry he got caught and no one likes him for it?


As for Sahil...yes that was pretty pathetic to show that Shivaay is full of "Pity" for the handicapped Brother of Annika! Yeah whatever...after ALL the Kaand's they showed, THIS was the way to try and show Shivaay is someone full of "empathy?". In the west, they do NOT show people with disabilities as "Bechare" characters that people pity. They are shown as people fighting their fate and even Sahil is doing that. He doesn't need Shivaay's pity! I come from a country where people with disabilities have reached the world stage in Sports especially and no one pities them they are a cause of pride for our nation!


TRP didn't rise for ShiVika, and all those comments of "TRP rose - ShiVika rocks" makes me laugh and also makes me annoyed at the arrogance displayed. If they were such a draw card the past 6 months this show would have been slot leader, but they were not. We all know it's because of the "story" that more eyeballs have started to catch the show. The story of "Ek Chuti Sindoor Ki Kimat...tum kya jaane Shivaay Babu?" Nothing more, nothing less! Lets get real! Great topic BTW TM. Very logical and insightful!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan



+1 for everything you have said. I think people need to see beyond their narrow-minded "Couple shipping" to what is actually being shown. Don't draw in the audience promising them "New" things if you will just revert to type as soon as you want to get more eyeballs on a show. At least Sony have tried new concepts and even if they don't get High TRP they are being highly appreciated. Their latest launch is creating more buzz because for the first time a woman is shown more powerful than a man, and SHE is the one with a back story and dark past! At least it's different. But she is much better behaved than GK's guys.


I think if anyone thinks Shivaay is redeemable or that Annika is not butchered they are just in denial or being blind. The writing is on the wall. One of the reasons they are trying to do damage control now is despite getting more TRP, even they know they went too far! Therefore trying to show ShiVika having "light moments", like really? 🤢 and showing that Shivaay is suffering (For 5 minutes) because his Brothers don't want to talk to him. Again, a joke after what they made him do for weeks. The worst part is, he is not even shown sorry, only sorry he got caught and no one likes him for it?


As for Sahil...yes that was pretty pathetic to show that Shivaay is full of "Pity" for the handicapped Brother of Annika! Yeah whatever...after ALL the Kaand's they showed, THIS was the way to try and show Shivaay is someone full of "empathy?". In the west, they do NOT show people with disabilities as "Bechare" characters that people pity. They are shown as people fighting their fate and even Sahil is doing that. He doesn't need Shivaay's pity! I come from a country where people with disabilities have reached the world stage in Sports especially and no one pities them they are a cause of pride for our nation!


TRP didn't rise for ShiVika, and all those comments of "TRP rose - ShiVika rocks" makes me laugh and also makes me annoyed at the arrogance displayed. If they were such a draw card the past 6 months this show would have been slot leader, but they are not. We all know it's because of the "story" that more eyeballs have started to catch the show. The story of "Ek Chuti Sindoor Ki Kimat...tum kya jaane Shivaay Babu?" Nothing more, nothing less! Lets get real! Great topic BTW TM. Very logical and insightful!


Heyy!! I guess we have met in PKHJD forum if i am not mistaken, i remember ur username .. u were there right?

as for everything you added, +1000!

Yes SONY doesn't get 3 + TRPs but at least they try to show some new stuff, at least they try to bring something new to the table. Ishqbaaz started off as a very progressive show and i LOVED anika, Shivaay always repelled me but Anika was wonderful but now when i see my fav fighter girl bring reduced to a mere doormat who is pledsing in front of a man who forcefully married her k "please mujhe batao mujh se kyun naraz ho" W*F! .. Why do you even promise new things if all you have to do is earn money?

and yes, so much for progressiveness that you exploit a physical deformity to show that your hero has a heart! Sorry it makes him even more pathetic that he thinks a handicapped child deserves sympathy, more arrogant and more proud!

and yes - sanskaari bahu stereotype has brought TRPs honey, not Shivika, because when the REAL shivika was shown - the show was struggling, now that everyone is happily settled in the stereotypical moulds of bahu, beta and parivaar .. all TRPs are coming in fine.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I want to add, if anyone thinks that people who are not watching this show for ShiVika are "Jealous" that they are popular or whatever, then let me say for MY part, I am not even one jot jealous. Because if THIS is what you have to do to a couple to get TRP, and to characters to get TRP, then I would rather not have them show the characters I have come to appreciate in this light. Actually, it would be better if they don't show them at all! (They hardly show them anyway).


To be happy that TRP rose would only be relevant or worth it if the story was really good and the characters were not ruined for it. But in this case, whatever liking I had for ShiVika. (I didn't love them, but I did like them), I have lost totally. Even a lot of people who loved them are highly disappointed. To act like they are not ruined is just a pipe dream. I get Michimichi watching them and at one time I enjoyed their scenes! I love Nox, but I just can't relate to Shivaay, because his character or the way he acts actually makes no sense.


No man from a Khandani background with old money go on and on about their status this way. Only new rich people who just got rich act in such a crass way about their wealth. So from no angle is Shivaay's actions justified or even understandable. Despite being a Naakul fan I struggled to connect to the character. He is a very good actor and I know this from his PKD times. Despite what people say Adi was not a chocolate hero. He was a complex character, more complex than Shivaay! His back story and how he behaved made sense. He was never a rude jerk, but he didn't believe in relationships and he had a reason to not do so. His character made sense. To me, Shivaay's character does not. They have just tried to make him an "angry young man" with no real justification for his actions. So no wonder it grates so much. I am a logical person and for me to connect to something it has to make sense. I don't just "ship" good chemistry if nothing about it adds up for me! That's me! I don't expect everyone to think that way. But from my POV the ShiVika story has really been butchered and it's high time they tried to salvage what they can of it, and start to focus on other stories as well (To take the edge off this one). Because to date, no matter what the ad's say, Annika is NOT a symbol of Nayi Soch, at least not now!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Fantasia:

Yes, I was in PKHJD forum. Remember you from there too. Loved Iqbal and Mona in it. What a power packed duo they were. That was a "Takkar ki jodi" as in their pairing and their acting was always at par. I loved that story and even though there were some glitches and they had a tragic end...it was still worth watching. When she called him "Rizwaan" for the first time? I swear I cried. When she told him she was pregnant and refused to leave him when she knew they were both going to die? He just says "Preet" and that whole scene was just...wow! It was 1 year ago, but I remember it like I just saw it. THAT was love. True love mind you.


It proves that good content will always have a connect, even if it doesn't bring as much commercial success. It's truly sad that for commercial success they need to sacrifice quality. Even I liked Annika's attitude. I know she did some silly things sometimes, but overall I liked her, and her way. She was sensible and grounded. But now to show her as pleading with a man who acted like a criminal to her? Please! I am highly disappointed.

Once again, good to see you here. I only started posting here 1 month ago. Didnt watch at the start but caught up around 3 months back.
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