Dharmakshetra on Epic channel #4/ DT Nt pg 3 - Page 16

Few examples of Yudhishthir's 'greed':

• He earned unbelievable popularity from HP people within a short time. If he wanted he could easily dethrone his blind uncle to get the crown. But he did not do so. Rather, humbly followed uncle's order when he was sent to Varanavata.
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• He did not make a single protest even after receiving a barren land to rule. (We should remember that, he had birthright on the undivided Kuru throne, but he did not get angry when Dhritarashtra literally drove them away from their home).
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• He did not want to expand his kingdom. He did not want a conflict with Jarasandha, he then told Krishna that he did not have a need of so much wealth, he was happy with his little kingdom & little possessions. (A greedy man's words, no?) So, despite of having Krishna, Bheem, Arjun's power at hand, he did not want to become an emperor.
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• Just before Rajasuya, he offered everything to Krishna and requested Him to perform the sacrifice, i.e, to be the Emperor instead of him. Then Krishna expressed His wish to see Yudhi as Emperor. Only after this he sat for the rituals. What a 'greedy' he was!
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• Even before playing dice, he told Shakuni, "Nikrityaa kaamaye na aham sukhanyuta dhanani ba (I don't want any happiness or wealth through cheating.)"
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• He himself said this in Van Parva, "my desire of wealth is not for enjoying it when obtained. It is only for the support of the Brahmanas that I desire it and not because I am actuated by avarice! For what purpose, O Brahmana, doth one like us lead a domestic life, if he cannot cherish and support those that follow him? " (KMG) I wonder why people love to forget this line. (Now I guess he will get a new lebel casteist' but please read Yudhi-Nahusha samvad from Ajaagar parvadhyaya to know who a true Brahmin' actually is according to him.)
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• Krishna's words to Yudhi, "Kaamaan na kim chit kurushe narendra, Na cha arthalobhaat prajahaasi Dharmam (O King, you never have desired for anything, you never let Dharma go for greed of wealth.)" (KMG). I know many of you will laugh at me for this point, but sorry I could not resist it. For me, Krishna's words are the ultimate.
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• None of us is King or queen, but I'm pretty sure that none of us would be able to spend 1 year in hardships of exile. But he, the Emperor of Aaryavarta, DID it, for 12 years. And refused to return home even when his dear ones requested him.
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• When Duri & Co were caught by gandharvas then Yudhi should have let them be killed so that he could easily get the throne of HP as soon as possible (remember that gandharvas were their friends & they wanted to help them, so that would have been an easy task if Yudhi wanted to get HP then & there). What was the need to wait for 13 years? He had so much greed' that he ordered his brothers to protect them whose land he desired to get.
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• He did not allow Bheem to kill Jayadrath. Foolish act for a 'greedy', no? he did not even think that Sindhu kingdom would be his if Jayadrath was killed then.
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• When Yudhi was asked by Lord Dharma to pray for anything, he only asked him to return the Brahmin's property first which was stolen. He got an opportunity to ask anything from a God (& that God was his father also), why did he not want any material pleasure? Why did he ask for Dharma only?
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• After Pandavas saved King Virat, he himself wanted to gift his kingdom to Kanka but Kanka clearly refused. King Virat said, "O Brahmin, I will coronate you as the Matsya King, as you saved both my life and kingdom!" but Kanka replied, "King, I am pleased with your words, you keep serving your prajas with compassion in your heart, and that will be enough!" See, what a 'greedy'!
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• He was ready to sacrifice his whole right on Indraprashtha & wanted only 5 villages so that the war could be stopped. Please remember that he was the Chakravarti Samrat of whole Aaryavarta, still he wanted only 5 villages & told Sanjay that he was ready to forgive all unforgivable sins of kauravas in return of only 5 villages!
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• Krishna told him before peace visit, "Thy heart inclineth to righteousness, whereas their inclination is towards enmity.That which is obtained without war is of great value to thee." (KMG) Again, sorry for this point but I strongly believe in Krishna's words.
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• Who else could donate the whole kingdom to Vyas Dev as dakshina of Ashwamedha sacrifice? But King Yudhishthir practically did it, & when Vyasa requested him to take his kingdom back, he refused to do so, "This kingdom is now yours, I cannot take it back". Finally, to respect Vyasa's order he accepted his kingdom again.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

@maverick_me - I thought well before I wrote. But my friend, you either did not read it proper or read only what you wished to read.

Examples you gave are entirely different & opposite from Draupadi's conditions. She herself did not ask Yudhi to stake her. She did not come to sabha herself. Whatver happened to her, for that, in first place, Yudhishthira will always be the reason.

I never meant yudhi staking his wife gave right for others to humiliate her. Eeryone, every single person present in DS did mistke, terrible mistake with Draupadi. But that chain of mistakes was began by Yudhishthira. You cannot change that.

Regarding Draupadi being an object or not, Yudhishthira had proven it the day he met her for the first time. Nothing than lust that man had for her. Had he loved her truly, he would never have allowed diving a woman among five unknown men.

And yes, I know Yudhi is not Shiva or Vishnu but he is companion of Vishnu, devotee of Vishnu (this forum was created to respect not only Gods but also the devotees of Gods) he is representative of God (as incarnation of Lord Dharma).
MM is a religious forum. It was created for a religious purpose. Using distasteful words against Gods, Goddesses, devotees and saints was not its intention. I have been an old member of this forum since it was created. But I have never seen that even Ravan or Kams or Shishupal was bashed here. We worshiped even those people as incarnations of Jay and Vijay, gatekeepers of Lord Vishnu.

I had a question. I too agree the dice hall incident was wrong and Yudhi was wrong then. But
when one mistake can make a lusty,greedy,addicted, nuisance out of Yudhi who was a "adharmi"
then why do bad characters like Duryodhana, KARNA etc. get supporters and are treated as "righteous" men when they have only one or two good qualities?

All characters of Mahabharata are human. Yudhishthir or Dusshashan, whoever be it. That is the beauty of the epic. If all would be perfect then they could all live happily ever after and there would be no need to write their story. Desire is a human trait and that is root to all problems. All the characters have desire. Some cases it is for soemthing big, and in some cases soemthing simple and mediocre. But in this way, all of the characters have human traits and that makes each one of them special in their unique way.

Originally posted by: .Reshama.

i cant understand why people are worshipping yudhi...

he isnt shiv or vishnu or other godesses.

in my opinion he was not fair when arjun brought this wife draupadi home..and his mother told to share it among 5 ...

1. she wasnt a wastu that u can share.

2. yudhi couldt say that draupadi belongs to arjun only.

but instead she should marry whith other brothers..i guess his wanted to marry draupadi too...

draupadi could refuse too..

because of him she experianced lots of pain..

3. yudhi put draupadi on stake..and he lost...he was wrong..he didnt aksed her..and she isnt a wastu.

4. where was yudhi when dushashan wanted to disrobe draupade..where was he..

i think she was better of with Karn...

@bold- Sorry to point out but I think it is better to marry a good man and be in trouble than to marry a man like Karna and be happy.
Atleast Draupadi could hold her head high and say even after so much disgrace she was with the side of Dharma. She was proud that her husbands were good. They were good men.

Originally posted by: Urmila11

And yes, I know Yudhi is not Shiva or Vishnu but he is companion of Vishnu, devotee of Vishnu (this forum was created to respect not only Gods but also the devotees of Gods) he is representative of God (as incarnation of Lord Dharma).

MM is a religious forum. It was created for a religious purpose. Using distasteful words against Gods, Goddesses, devotees and saints was not its intention. I have been an old member of this forum since it was created. But I have never seen that even Ravan or Kams or Shishupal was bashed here. We worshiped even those people as incarnations of Jay and Vijay, gatekeepers of Lord Vishnu.

@Reshama

It is absolute foolishness to blame Yudhi for Draupadi's division. Firstly, it is Kunti who said the words of division. So even if Yudhishthir wanted to marry Draupadi, then also he could not if it would not be a coincidence -- Kunti signalling division. And after Kunti says so and realizes she said something wrong SHE was the one who put the decision making part on Yudhishthir. Yudhi never said let me settle this. And after he got to make the decision, he said Arjun should marry her alone as she was won by him. It is ARJUN who said he would not marry as his eldest is not married. Now do you expect Yudhi to hold Arjun's neck and force him to marry? I am sorry but Arjun was Yudhi's brother and not his slave. So finally, Yudhishthir said that all five should marry her. To this Draupadi shows no objection. No one does. And also, Vyasa already told them she was to become the five of Pandavas. So how is Yudhi to be blamed here?

Originally posted by: .Reshama.

everybody has the right to worship he/she wants.

but i only worship god period..

i admire his incarnations ...it gives lesson in lives

jay and yijay were cursed by 4 kumars to be born 3 times as the biggest enemies of vishnu..

its nobodies intention to be distasteful..

Honestly are u telling me am disrastfectful..i come hear ocasionally ..and give my comment...

i was in mahabharat forem and DKDMD and i had never been disrectful there aan am not disrispectful here..

thank u

No dear, I did not want to hurt you 😊 please be more active here. I used your statement to make a general comment. This forum does not allow bad words against Gods or incarnations of Gods, or Demigods. You did not say any distasteful word but there are such words in previous pages. I have understood your mentality. Please forgive me if I have hurt you 😳 you are beloved of God, He will not forgive me if I have hurt you 😭 sorry again 😊 Jai Shri Krishna.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bhas sorry dont agree with this .Is there any citation that supports this rule?

Besides why are we forgetting what Pandu says to Kunti that a son born of a maiden becomes the son of her husband

So if we go by what Bhishma says and what Pandu says had Karna been disowned by Adiratha he would have been Pandu's son not Surya since Surya wasn't Kunti's husband and Pandu was

Besides the same Bhishma in his convo with Karna later in Drona parva says that as per the ordinance he is to Karna what he is to Dury

According to the ordinance, all of us also are as much thine as Duryodhana's!

SO even Bhishma considered Karna his grandson

And also when Krishna ji tells Karna that he is son of Pandu by rules even Karna says that he knows what Krishna ji is saying is true

If Karna was aware that as per rules he wasnt Pandu's son wouldn't he just say sorry you are lying krishna but the fact that even Karna agrees what krishna ji is saying is right means even Karna agreed that he is in fact Pandu's son

So i would say maximum citations suggest that he would have been considered pandu's son had truth come out.Though i guess all rules can be contested when claim on the throne comes into question.I mean that is one of the reasons of this great war as well

Kunti is Bhishma's daughter in law so Kunti's son Karna will surely be his grandson..