Dharmakshetra on Epic channel #4/ DT Nt pg 3 - Page 18

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

He was super intelligent. He wanted all enemies of yadu clan dead, which his weak community was unable to do alone. Hence he chose to support Yudhi, who was also his aunt's son, & they both worked under a mutual agreement & helped each other.

Originally posted by: Maverick_me

I think Yadavas were strong enough but were not united , in my opinion and Yadava destruction happens because of infighting, that is what Mausala parva tells us , intoxicated with liquor they all lost senses and killed each other , that is the power of Kaal/ death/time and Krishna bows before it

Killing Jarasandh, with help of B and A was one master stroke by Krishna, Jarasandh had 20 akshauhini army or maybe more ; double the size what fought at Kurukshetra ! So Krishna did what he thought best ..

and you're not hurting any one 😊

Even if we fight, at the end of the day its said and gone...next day we're back 😆

Originally posted by: Arijit007

well, in my view, yudhi was not lusty, greedy or unrightious. his gambling adiction ruined him that day, that makes him a human. he was worshiped but he was also a human with a flaw.

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

@Reshama

It is absolute foolishness to blame Yudhi for Draupadi's division. Firstly, it is Kunti who said the words of division. So even if Yudhishthir wanted to marry Draupadi, then also he could not if it would not be a coincidence -- Kunti signalling division. And after Kunti says so and realizes she said something wrong SHE was the one who put the decision making part on Yudhishthir. Yudhi never said let me settle this. And after he got to make the decision, he said Arjun should marry her alone as she was won by him. It is ARJUN who said he would not marry as his eldest is not married. Now do you expect Yudhi to hold Arjun's neck and force him to marry? I am sorry but Arjun was Yudhi's brother and not his slave. So finally, Yudhishthir said that all five should marry her. To this Draupadi shows no objection. No one does. And also, Vyasa already told them she was to become the five of Pandavas. So how is Yudhi to be blamed here?

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

He was super intelligent. He wanted all enemies of yadu clan dead, which his weak community was unable to do alone. Hence he chose to support Yudhi, who was also his aunt's son, & they both worked under a mutual agreement & helped each other.

Originally posted by: Maverick_me

Kunti is Bhishma's daughter in law so Kunti's son Karna will surely be his grandson..

Karna need not say that Krishna was telling a lie , however if you read Udyoga parva 141 KMG Karna corrects him and acknowledges that Adiratha reared him so he is son of Adiratha and Radha and he cannot deny them a Pinda/ final oblations.. read citation below:

"Karna said, 'Without doubt, O Kesava, thou hast said these words from thy love, affection, and friendship for me, as also in consequence of thy desire of doing me good, O thou of Vrishni's race. I know all that thou hast said unto me. Morally, I am the son of Pandu, as also in consequence of the injunctions of the scriptures, as thou, O Krishna, thinkest. My mother, while a maiden, bore me in her womb, O Janardana, through her connection with Surya. And at the command of Surya

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himself, she abandoned me as soon as I was born. Even thus, O Krishna, I came into the world. Morally, therefore, I am the son of Pandu. Kunti, however, abandoned me without thinking of my welfare. The Suta, Adhiratha, as soon as he beheld me, took me to his home, and from her affection for me, Radha's breasts were filled with milk that very day, and she, O Madhava, cleansed my urine and evacuations. How can one like us, conversant with duties and ever engaged in listening to scriptures deprive her of her Pinda? So also Adhiratha of the Suta class regardeth me as a son, and I too, from affection, always regard him as (my) father. O Madhava, that Adhiratha, O Janardana, from paternal affection caused all the rites of infancy to be performed on my person, according to the rules prescribed in the scriptures. It is that Adhiratha, again, who caused the name Vasusena to be bestowed upon me by the Brahmanas. When also I attained to youth, I married wives according to his selections.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Yudhi had left already to meet Kunti when Arjuna was still fighting with Karna, after winning Draupadi. Since the first reference of Draupadi in front of Ps, it is clear that yudhi was the one who desired her the most. That was not a bad thing at all. every person has right to desire. And it is unbelievable that yudhi did not think about Draupadi while returning their hut. Also it is unbelievable that seeing Yudhi returning early, without Arjuna, kunti asked nothing & Yudhi said nothing at all. I dont think, Kunti who was rock hard while pandu was begging her to get sons through niyoga planned to get Draupadi married to all five brothers. Kunti has already told pandu that a woman having more than five husbands would be called a wh##e. So I dont see any chance of another person who suggested that idea.

About Arjuna, he only told he could not commit sin by marrying when his elder brother stayed unmarried. That was not a consent for yudhi to marry draupadi. Yudhi could have married another woman & let arjuna marry Draupadi.

There is no clue in KMG that Draupadi was happy getting married to all five men. She only smile, much later & that smile is very confusing.

The problem here is, was getting married ti all 5 was with Draupadi's full consent. If yes, we can not blame Yudhi for his decision. But in entire MB, this is not clear.

Originally posted by: ashne

^^^ Even I don't believe Krishna picked Yudhi, because of any of his personal virtues, But then what could have been the reason, then?

What I understood, was Krishna wanted change, he wanted the current system to be destroyed, maybe because the Kings were becoming vain and despicable. He needed support for this and he enlisted the P's in this endeavor, probably bcoz they were more willing to listen to Krishna, unlike the Kauravas. And of course they always strived to do things the right way.

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

IMHO not completely correct. During Rukmini's so called swayamwar the Yadavas were strong enough to fight Jarasandha and his army to a stalemate. The goal was certainly not the destruction of Jarasandha, but its not as if they were swept away by Jarasandha.

I believe both the Pandavas and Krishna were ambitious and their goals matched and they joined hands.

Originally posted by: ashne

There are citations posted in the previous thread where Vyasa clearly says that the Ps are destined to marry Panchali. All 5 went to Panchal with this specific thing in mind - that is to win Panchali. This Kunti asking them to share is either a later addition or a drama put up to convince Panchali that she also could not refuse what Kunti said. Its pretty suspicious that Yudhi would not tell Kunti about such an event and even if he didn't tell, which mom tells her adult sons to share - they were not 5 yr olds that Kunti had to remind them to share.

Yudhi had no business interfering in this matter, whether Kunti asked him to or not - In this matter his personal feelings came into play rather than deciding in favor of arjun.