What if Krishna became the charioteer of Rama? Note Pg4 - Page 3

Originally posted by: Darklord_Rehan

Agree with you partly, but what has westernization got to do with this? Is Krishna only the God of Indians? Isn't He the lord of the universe? So His words as well are universal just as He is.

Originally posted by: Darklord_Rehan

But, but, but. I think Krishna would have never accepted Ram's treatment of Sita at any cost. He would have never allowed an innocent lady to jump on fire or banished a pregnant woman to please few jackasses. He would have argued, quarreled, turned against the whole world and ultimately would have succeeded to secure justice for her.

Originally posted by: Darklord_Rehan

In the debate of Karma Vs Bhakti, I almost forgot to comment on the article. I neither found it appropriate nor repulsive.

Krishna wouldn't have stopped Ram from accepting Vanvaas as that was a necessary Leela to cause Ravan's demise. By going to Vanvaas, Ram was actually offering a bait to Ravan in the form of Sita, which in turn would give Him an excuse to kill Ravan. Ravan tried to trap Ram in his Maya by sending the Golden Stag, but instead himself got entrapped in Ram's Maya i.e. Sita and invited his own downfall. Krishna Himself did this Leela several times, e.g. by fleeing from battles with Jarasandh and relocating to Dwarka.

But, but, but. I think Krishna would have never accepted Ram's treatment of Sita at any cost. He would have never allowed an innocent lady to jump on fire or banished a pregnant woman to please few jackasses. He would have argued, quarreled, turned against the whole world and ultimately would have succeeded to secure justice for her.

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

By western, I am speaking more about materialism because many of the materialistic aspects of India today came from the west. I do not mean to characterize the west as 'bad' or anything, since I live in the US myself and like life here😆, but there are certain aspects of society that annoy men and they're being emulated by India.

As for Krishna being universal, that is true, but we cannot expect people of other religions and cultures accepting Krishna as their God. Though you and me may think differently, other religions do not consider their Gods as the same as Krishna, and they would take it offensively if we claimed that Krishna was universal. So though we believe Shri Hari and his avatars to be universal, it is unfair to expect others to accept that.

Originally posted by: x.Anku.x

Oh and also, since you mentioned Gita ji, I am guessing you believe in scriptures. And you prefer Lord Krishna more. Have you read Bhagvad ji? The chapter where Gopi bhav has been described...

Cause you know any huge devotee of Lord Krishna would read Bhagvad ji first and foremost more than anything! As it has been said by Lord Krishna himself that he RESIDES in Bhagvatam...
So, that's why I am wondering... Since even @ our place, we have firm belief in Lord Krishna and hes our isht God... other than Lord SiyaRam and Bhagvan Shiv...

Would like to know your views on a certain thing.. hence asking! Thankyou!

Originally posted by: Darklord_Rehan

That's because we try to limit Krishna in Temples or Allah in Mosque and worship Him through rituals prescribed in different texts which can never be expected to be identical. But if we truly understand Krishna or Allah with our own intellect then its easy for a Muslim to worship Krishna and Hindu to worship Allah. And I don't think we need any Miracle Baba or Prophet and their Rule books to guide us. Self-realization is the only way to liberation. Its due to this precise reason I keep on saying that Karma is superior to ritualistic worship. Because rituals and traditions are varied and often clash with each other, but Karma is one and universal. If you see carefully, all clashes and communal riots happen due to different ways of expressing Bhakti. Some say that cows should be sacrificed to please Allah, others say that no; goats should be sacrificed as cow is holy. But if everyone discards these meaningless rituals and rites and accept the way of Righteous action as the only way to the Supersoul, then every person shall have a common faith.

To me, Krishna is not a deity or God. Krishna/Shiva is Supreme consciousness and Shakti is the boundless Energy. They are Nirgun and Niraakaar and inconceivable. So restricting them to stone of Amarnath or Mecca is foolishness.

Originally posted by: x.Anku.x

Uhh, have you read Valmiki Ramayan? Or watched Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan? =/
If you have read Valmiki or Tulsidas ji's Ramayan then please let me know WHY Lord Ram treated Sita ji that way or WHY he told her to go away during the time she was pregnant. Thank you.

If you have read Valmiki ji or Tulsidas ji's Ramayan, you will know the CORRECT answer to the 2nd part and if you have watched RS Ramayan then you would know the answer to the first question.

Let me know.