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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Lalitha - You ask why Ram violated His Maryada if Bali vadh wasn't a sin. Because there is difference between Maryada and Dharma. Obeying Maryada means obeying the norms, codes and customs. Shri Ram never disregarded norms and traditions of the society even if it required Him to banish His innocent wife. Bali Vadh was the only occasion in which He overlooked His code of conduct for the sake of Dharma.

Krishna, however, was different as was His interpretation of Dharma. Krishna says that Dharma has got nothing to do with religion, traditions or laws laid down by the texts. According to Krishna, Dharma meant absolute Righteousness whether it goes in line with the norms and traditions or not. Krishna Himself broke countless norms, traditions and beliefs - which Shri Ram would never do. Unlike Ram, Krishna was ready to sacrifice any law, any code, any tradition for the sake of justice. He would never allow an innocent to suffer banishment or ask a sinless lady to undergo Agnipariksha. While Shri Ram abandoned his own wife, because people doubted her character for spending a long time in Ravan's captivity, Shri Krishna accepted 16,100 prisoners of Narakasura as his wives without caring for what others would say, once again violating the prevalent customs, just for the sake of their honour. Please don't think that I am blaming Ram of anything, but we need to understand the difference between Ram's Maryada and Krishna's Dharma. Krishna would, if required, go against the society, argue with the Brahmins, shun the kings and establish righteousness.

So as per Krishna's interpretation of Dharma, Bali Vadh was perfectly justified and He need not have died at the hand of Bali to be his quits. But if we consider Maryada Purushottam Ram's code of conduct, then He did break his Maryada on that one occasion. Please note, I am not saying Ram broke Dharma, but Ram did break His Maryada. That is why He bound himself in the Karma-Chakra and repaid His debt of that Maryada-Ulanghan. Thus we see Dharma and Maryada need not go hand in hand. There comes times when we have to choose between the two.


PS : I know the reason behind the Agnipariksha. But still I can not support Ram on these few occasions regarding His treatment of Sita, because it sets a wrong examples for the believers of justice. Ram was Lord Himself, so whatever He does is considered right. But imagine if an ordinary mortal follows this example and orders his wife to walk on fire or disowns her! Would that be Dharma? On such situations I look up to Shri Krishna, His actions and His words for guidance.

Edited by Darklord_Rehan - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey Guys I have few queries regarding Mahabharat.

1. First one is regarding Shakuni. Shakuni was born to King Subala of Gandhara. His sister Gandhari was married to king Dhritarashtra. As per legend, on the advice of astrologers, to avert a calamity it was said that Gandhari was married to a goat before getting married to Dhritarashtra. And the goat had been sacrificed promptly thereafter. Technically, this made Gandhari a widow and Dhritarashtra her second husband. Many years later when her husband Dhritarashtra learns about this truth, shocked and enraged, Dhritrashtra puts Gandhari's entire family,including king Subala in prison. In prison, they were served just one fistful of rice every day. Realizing that this was an elaborate plan to starve them to death, Gandhari's father declared that none but his youngest son would eat the sparse food being served, so that at least one amongst them would survive to avenge the death of the rest. The youngest son of king Subala was Shakuni. He survived and swore not to rest until all of Kuru kingdom is destroyed . He used the bones of his father to make the dice with which he was able to defeat the Pandavas in the gambling match, and thus which eventually led to the war at Kurukshetra and also to the destruction of entire Kuru clan.His father twisted his one leg to give him a permanent limp as a constant reminder of revenge (source Wikipedia). Is this story true?

2. In BR Chopra's Mahabharat it was shown Ghatotkach enters the battle on the 14th day while many argue that he was present from day one. However among the rules of war laid down, it was clearly mentioned that the war would be fought among humans. Under no circumstance should humans attack non-human beings or use/direct/order non-human beings to attack humans. Obviously Ghatotkach can not be classified as a human being. Can he? Then that means the law was violated from day one itself?

3. Normally we believe that the code of war was first broken by Pandavas during Bhishma-Vadh. But I recently fathomed that Bhishma himself was the first one to break the law. On the 10th day when he was unable to attack Arjuna due to Shikhandi's presence, Bhishma directed his arrows at the ordinary foot soldiers and blew them up with his deadly astras. It was a rule that only equals shall fight. Maharathis should fight with Maharathis and ordinary infantry should fight with ordinary infantry. This thing was clearly shown in BRC Mahabharat, but it clicked me only when I was reading The Palace of Illusions. How far do you agree with me?
Edited by Darklord_Rehan - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Rehan,
First off, I generally don't take wikipedia as a source for anything, but I too have heard this story, not from wiki but from another book. I don't know how true it is, as I have not read Veda Vyasa's MB in full, so someone else will have to shed light on that, but it's an interesting story nonetheless, and kind of makes us sympathize with Shakuni. But it also casts Dhritarastra's family in a terrible light...when this happened, Pandu would be King and I don't think he would let something like that happen to his Bhabhi's family. Pandu was a Dharmatma, so he would never let something that unjust happen to Gandhari's family for no wrong of theirs.
As per my understanding, Ghatotkach was not in the battle from day one. Bhima summoned him when they were losing warriors, and that too towards the end around day 14, but I've read english translations that have him from day one, so someone will have to consult the MB book to be sure.
The first code of war was not broken with Bhishma Vadh (because he let himself die by laying down arms in front of Shikhandi), but Dronacharya Vadh, and the gruesome way in which Dhristadyumna killed him. But you're right, we hear that Bhishma killed 1000s of foot soldiers during the battles, so do they count? No one really mentions them as breaking any codes, but it makes sense.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am a silent reader of this discussion and will post my views soon.
@ janaki I think before Dronacharyas death another rule was broken. Abhimanyu was killed by 7 warriors and Dronacharya watched it silently. According to BRC MB not only Bhishma but other warriors on chariots fired their arrows on the rest of the army. Including non-maharathis and animals so I think from both sides this rule was violated on day 1.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Yeah you are right that Bhishma knew that he would be killed in that fashion, in fact he himself suggested it to Pandavas, but he did not "let himself die by laying down arms". Because that would have meant surrendering. Bhishma continued to wield weapons and shoot arrows, albeit not at Arjun/Shikhandi, till he was completely incapacitated. If Bhishma had surrendered and Arjun had killed him, that too would have been unethical.

He laid down his weapons and surrendered only on one occasion - when Krishna himself advanced to kill him on the 9th day.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aradhana87

I am a silent reader of this discussion and will post my views soon.

@ janaki I think before Dronacharyas death another rule was broken. Abhimanyu was killed by 7 warriors and Dronacharya watched it silently. According to BRC MB not only Bhishma but other warriors on chariots fired their arrows on the rest of the army. Including non-maharathis and animals so I think from both sides this rule was violated on day 1.

OMG, how could I have forgotten Abhimanyu's death?😲 You are totally right, Aradhana, his death was the first and biggest act of Adharma committed by the Kaurava side, I really can't believe I forgot it.
And yeah, in terms of killing normal soldiers, both sides were at guilt, but I don't think there were animals present at Kurukshetra?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Yeah there were animals in the war and killing any animal irrelevantly was violation of rules. The plan of Drona Vadh started with killing an animal.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hi!!!!! to answer lola's question (on the ONS thread) i was looking to put some pictures together of my favorite warrior and i remembered i have a lot of favorites from mahabharat! so i went jumping between episodes, from episode 72 (i have a 'blooper' to report!!! there was a bus seen in the corner when Krishna is alkin to arjuna, about halfway through the episode!! wow they were geniuses they had buses in however many thousand years b.c!!! HAHAHA) to 40 (one of my fav episodes), then i remembered Pitama Bhishma, and went to 5, well after that i just went to #21 or 22 (when drona comes to town! LOL) and then i've been watching 23 onwards...now i'm on 31, but i've been watching every episode from 21 onwards THAT HAS KRISHNA IN IT!!!! LOL hahaha i forgot how much i missed him! i was watching Vishnu earlier, but came back to see Krishna 😛

one of my favorite episode so far is #28--when he 'kidnaps' Rukmini, and Rukmi tells him he just can't take her away, she's not something you can pick up and take (says the person who wanted to just marry her off to shishupal!!🤣) and then he says he's already taken her hahaha that was a funny one! but Rukmi is pretty dumb, Krishna keeps cutting his weapons, what exactly does he expect when he picks up another one !?!?!?!?!?!? and i especially love this episode because i remember the watching the songs and krishna's chakra cutting up weapons when i was little (maybe i was 5 or 6) and i thought it was hilarious then...now it's awesome!

right now yudhistir and the rest are planning to trap purochan in his house of wax...and meanwhile i hate Shakuni! did anyone know that? i hate him!!! hahahahaha well that's it for now until i get more 'input'!!!
Edited by ADMJCXNK97fan - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very happy to see you in here Aditi, your commentaries at the ONS thread are always a blast for me to read so I'm really looking forward to your take on all the shows in all their respective threads as and when you watch them ⭐️

Lol @ the blooper you found... gotta go see that bus now, I wonder if they even picked up on it themselves yet 😆 And well said about the irony of Rukmi's comment to Krishna about taking Rukmini away, my thoughts exactly! My fav line in that scene is when Krishna's got his hand out to help her onto the rath and she's like "wowww you came all the way here for me, by yourself?!" and he's like, "well once you join me, I won't be by myself anymore, will I 😛"... it's so so cute! And I love the aarti she sings to Gauri Maa before he comes, it's really pretty, especially the response part "sun dhyaan de, vardaan de, he swarna varana Rukmini" 😍

And yeah Shakuni's character's as bad as they come, but I loveee how Gufi Paintal played him - one of my favorite cast members from the show!!! Especially when he's being sarcastic with Duryodhan to tell him he's being an idiot and he's got it all wrong... I heart his sarcasm 😆 And yayyy you're on one of my most favorite parts now, with the Vaarnaavat fire - right where you're at is really hilarious when they're getting Purochan and the rest of those tribal people who were in the plan all drunk and crazy and that lady... she's like cackling and going "madira peejiye Purochanji, madiraaa" 🤣 It's wild!

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