Double standards- edited topic : note : 15 - Page 4

Originally posted by: Heema22

QUOTE Walden

@bold 2: Me too. I watch this show for entertainment- I don't expect to come across anything insightful or enlightening- I'm happy with the brainless romance!. But there are a lot of people who consider Indira to be a perfect role model for women and I have serious issues with that! People seem to believe that this show is breaking barriers in terms of its potrayal of women but my concern is that this show is doing just the opposite- propogating negative stereotypes about women and men! I wish more people would treat the show like you do- a mere source of entertainment- withoiut draawing any conclusions about real life, women empowerment, love etc!

@ bold This the only reason why I watch HD. I think this couple did wonders for me. I was hooked with thier on screen relationship. Very cute and very real !! Very entertaining ! This was the frist Indian soap I watched and I am hooked to the date . I tried, others but they do not spark any light for me so I stayed with HD and to this day I am hoping things will get better. Professionally I am trained to stay with it till last gasp or" its not over till it's over !!!" principal , so I am still watching. And Hoping INSHI reruns in my life!!

@ Underline statement .This is very true and funny . I read this many many times !! I usually read that as funny post !. Please everyone I adore Rati and I am her fan so save your time to do not bash me!!!

Indira is no where near role model for any Female. Like Pari said she did exactly what any responsible girl would have done for family and in India many girls do not get married because thier only income supports their family, I call this "Balidan" and I admire those girls. But I think every one needs to get their own life. Indira took great deal of Abuse from family . This is against my principals I do not support any abusive relationships at any level . We ladies must have self respect ! She slapped every one around her , many time with out any reason. People wrote that as being funny? I was shocked . Do we need see this kind of abuse on TV? Is this role modeling for us ?

I do not call her charecter his role model.but she had lots of likable traits and we all adore her for them. She sacrefied her happiness for her family, only saints can do that. 25 yr old girl in love , in real life acts differently. She denied happiness for herself . Her happiness was always less important to her!. Many times she told us in the show that she writes her own faith , I always laugh at this because we know what happened!!! So Indira is no where near as role model for girls who are looking for one on TV show but RATI sure is !!!! Hats off to her and her very adoring personality !!! I will make her as my role model and learn lots of thing from her!!!

Originally posted by: aadk

Yes,I agree wt you walden dat d show wud hav been a perfct way to inspire us,if the indira repeating to herslf again n again that she is the breadwinner of the family inspite of being a girl was slowly changed to the indira who affirmed dat she was doing no big thing by taking d responsibility of d family bcs today if women on one hand cn fight for equal rights wt men,dn why nt rather take d family responsibility on their shoulders and begin d fight for equality from their side.Bt hoping such a story line from the HD CVs is just mere foolishnes. And yes,i agree wt u dat making d rest of d characters negative to highlighp one particular character was another blunder by them!

BTW, has anyone seen the FRIENDS episode where Joey and Phoebe discuss selflesness and how there is no action in the world that is truly selfless.

We have originated out of a male dominated society where men were considered supreme while females were meant to bring up kids and confined to household responsibilities. Even I wonder why was this condition of our society. Gender inequality always existed. We have witnessed many examples from our past records of how women have always been considered a weaker sex. Sati system,female foeticide, dowry, etc still exist though these are reduced to a great extent now. But this decrease today, cannot erase the past difference between two sexes. How this assumption of man being fairer sex came into existense? From men itself. Even today rapists feel themselves superior to women that they intend to this henious crime of rape! After every 40minutes, a girl is being raped in India, statistics says so. We have not moved on! There were no strict laws for such crimes that encouraged rapists to throw mud on feminity. Even today, if we consider sex ratio of India, females are comparitively less than males. This is our past, and this is still our present. Majority of people in India haven't moved on. In that case, if a girl comes forward to take up the work of earning income for her family, then does she not deserve a word of encouragement or appreciation? I think yes. In class, if a weak student tries to improve himself in studies, then teachers motivate him by all means. Every individual tends to perform better if he/she is appreciated and encouraged. So if today, girls are coming forward to reduce this gender inequality, then they do deserve applauds. Thats why we refered Indira as inspiration. Government offering scholarships to girls for education is again a way of motivation. Even today parents tend to spend more money on boy's education as compared to girl's. Many have moved on! But the percentage of people who still maintain the thinking of males superiority is no less. But we are working on reduce this gender gap today. That is why possible efforts are being taken to provide the girls the same position as that of males be it in the field of education or work sector. I do not think applauding Indira for earning income being a girl is increasing gender gap. It's rather encouraging females. Even many boys support this thing. No one is saint in today's world. Not even those babajis who gave their pravachan on religious channels! They do expect things in return. Saint is that person who offers people without expecting anything in return. But today, if you offer a piece of bread to them, they ask for more Kajus,Kishmish,etc. I have experienced it. Not even a single person on this earth is saint today. It's not that men do not expect anything from their wives after coming from duty. They expect them to prepare food,manage other household works, prepare tea for them. So does this makes a man selfless? NO...I can also tag them as selfish because they do expect things in return. So was Indira. Expecting love from family was her weakness. I don't think expecting love and support can be tagged as selfish. That way even I can call Rishi as selfish person cause he needed love of Indira when everyone of his family disowned him.

Originally posted by: Walden

Maybe I didn't convey it in my post, my intention is not to compare who has been applauded/bashed more or less in the forum. My intention was to take a character from the story and sort of generalize her to society and make a broader point about how society views men and women. Sorry if that didn't come thru:))

@bold: this is exactly the point I'm trying to make. There are many men/sons in India who take over their family responsibilities at a very young age (usually after their father becomes ill or passes away). In fact, I know my uncle did the same when my grandfather passed away. Usually there is no one else in the family to help and they become the sole breadwiner. But this is supposed to be considered their duty, so no one gives a second thought. So if instead of a son, daughter takes over the family responsibility, then why all the hoopla around it? Aren't we treating women differently from men and just propogating all the wrong stereotypes?

And yes I completely agree with you that women who chose to spend their lives as housemakers are also not given due credit. Take Sunanina for example. Ignoring some of her characters drawbacks, I've never seen anyone applaud this woman for all that she did in taking care of sharma nivas!

Regarding the selflessness or greatness of what Indira did, lets just agree to disagree:) And I would feel the same way about the situation if Indira were a man. I just cannot support people (educated people at that) continuing to accept physical, verbal, and emotional abuse from the people they are serving.

You have raised a wonderful question threadmaker. Indeed Indira's character get unnecessary limelight i feel, just because this character is a girl else there are no such traits in her which can make her mahan, she belongs to normal class yet given special treatment, why? Because she belongs to womanhood. This clearly proves that instead of caste, race, colour difference, what prevails the most is gender inequality. A woman just following her responsibilities is making her great, because she is tagged being a woman, moreover i've always found her acts general, and sometimes even full of flaws too, like slapping every other person, though i don't understand why it is considered task of bravery but for me its a spoiler. It has made this character "indira sharma" more full of flaws. So from where does this mahanta rises? Indira sharma is Not great i feel, its the tag of "being woman" which makes her great.

i dnt think ppl hv understood dis serial then, if they cant understand Indira's depthness n her selfless luv 4 her family...those who think dat taking care of her family, taking responsibilty of Munna's family n nt expecting anything in return bt love, was Indira's duty, then i think ur thinking n d Sharma family's thinking is just d same...evn d sharmas hv always felt dat its Indira's duty 2 take care of d family...they hv always felt dat her life is nt hers...she shudnt marry n just spend her entire life in taking care of their desires n needs...

Originally posted by: DeadDreams

You have raised a wonderful question threadmaker. Indeed Indira's character get unnecessary limelight i feel, just because this character is a girl else there are no such traits in her which can make her mahan, she belongs to normal class yet given special treatment, why? Because she belongs to womanhood. This clearly proves that instead of caste, race, colour difference, what prevails the most is gender inequality. A woman just following her responsibilities is making her great, because she is tagged being a woman, moreover i've always found her acts general, and sometimes even full of flaws too, like slapping every other person, though i don't understand why it is considered task of bravery but for me its a spoiler. It has made this character "indira sharma" more full of flaws. So from where does this mahanta rises? Indira sharma is Not great i feel, its the tag of "being woman" which makes her great.

D i feel my comment or my posts get a lot of trp than anything so i restrict myself from writing 😆 well as far as indira's mahanta is considered her unwanted slaps proved more about the character that she is none other that a normal lady who undertakes such acts just to get limelight but this slaps has deteriorated her mahanta, sry to say. And brought back this lady with fellow woman of society. And regarding duty and humanity i referred google dictionary yet i find people aren't clear 😆 and regarding my thinking "yes for me indira is a normal bread earner girl as many of us are, this doesn't makes her great" i'll call rati pandey great but not indira. Rati struggled and attained success, earned a good position in society but indira struggled among whom? Her family members 😆

I guess gender inequality is topic so suggest people not to drag my comments unnecessarily 😆 i won't be giving you more time, sry. Please stick to topic.