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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01


You've thought it all out in your head, haven't you?? Then why still so bummed out? 😆😆...I unfortunately read the latest spoiler article AFTER I read the TB news so I was a bit bummed out but having had time to let it sink in now I'm really excited to see this scene with Kesar revealing Dushyant's truth in the heat of the moment cuz of all his frustration.


I did too - I mean, read the TB before the forum article - tbh, every news article that claims the CVs have desperately tried to 'regain' falling TRPs, and even introduced the leap in effect - doesn't have the first facts right! Anyone with half a mind to follow this show can tell that the leap was not a TRP raising measure. It was part of the original scheme, and always on cards. Like you said in your comment on Anjali's VM - even the original song has both Vasant and chotta Kesar on the camel when they look at Gulaal. The story was always about GK, and not GV. Somehow, the way these news articles have done rounds about Gulaal shutting shop because of dipping TRPs I've come to think of how much the channel is making out of this 'anti publicity' campaign - because going by evidence of TRPs, there has been significant rise and upholding of at least a steady average TRP rating, specially post the leap - better than other shows on SP, especially in the after noon slot. I think what really is happening behind the scenes is this - the show is supposed to come to a close sometime in the near future anyway, the story line is drawing close to an end - the climax has been building and is nearly tipping at its peak now. So TRPs or not, the way this show has been, once their storyline got done with, they are not the kind to simply keep adding segments of more story to keep it on air - the team of writers and CVs for this show are different like that. Since the show has to but end with the coming together of GK, it's almost as if the admin itself would propagate talks of the show 'coming off air' because of not doing well. All publicity - negative and positive - only ever adds to additional promotion and consequent earning for any show. In a way, they're following the Bolly example. Hype up the climax and get it the best response hence, because loyal viewers will totally be agitated by such news, in protest will personally endeavor to promote the show even more! You see where that goes? That for a show that was to come off air to keep true to a logical ending, they add the controversy of TRPs as a issue which is leading to pulling it off air, and that adds to the hype, so that this climax gets its best response in the airing of the entire show history... The fact that we're hearing everything about DB coming on as a 9PM replacement is giving added pre-promotion to the new show, in addition, not to mention the fact that Gulaal 'ending' date has no confirmation. There are all kinds of rumors, but no channel confirmation - which almost makes me think they will simply push it into an afternoon slot to let it get its due time for a proper end - which is not a large amount of time needed anyway, right? Because from the sound of the showdown article, without 'rushing' through the storyline, some significant lose threads are going to be tied up finally, and they are also paving way for the finale get together of GK - by hinting a separation in the wake of this showdown. So if the show has an airing time of say upto end of August - it would more than suffice the story line and its conclusion. Additionally, despite being sifted to an afternoon slot the controversy has ensured ample publicity for the show, to assure viewership PLUS, additional publicity to the new show. All in all, I think its just dramatically putting out something that was plain and simple as the show story line having lived its life and finding a proper end. It was going to happen - but by airing these rumors they've hyped the peak of climax, and raised TRPs to an all time high in Gulaal's history. Not such a bad bargain at all, for a show they have always put in the backseat when it comes to promotions!

And of course, that's just me trying to speculate about the situation, with so much conflicting news of the end. At no point of any episode has it felt like the CVs are hurried, threatened, pressured or hastening (minus of the GK surprise for Tali, which I think after al might truly have gone awry purely because of Mansi's accident) Gulaal has shown no signs of a show that is dying from suffocation of lack of TRPs... it looks like s storyline that has played by its outline at all times, and continues to do so now as it approaches it high end last chapter. And the channel has simply found means of making the most of its tail end! The lack of TRPs to pull down this show just makes sense in no other way - specially when they try to suggest the leap didn't work, LOL!

Gah, do I make any sense?! Maybe I've just found reason to not feel disappointed... cause there's no saying how much I will miss the show after its done. But there will be much satisfaction in knowing it got its proper end, and so far, I feel like we aren't being betrayed on that end, of robbed of any promise we've trusted!

As for why Gulaal will be asked to leave...it's not about the technicality of Kesar ALSO having known for 10 years...the situations were different...the way Gulaal chose to hide it was different...the family has always put Gulaal up on a pedestal, and this will be a big fall from that...a huge shock that they never saw coming, that's why...anyways this is all part of building up drama...this was actually an expected reaction from the family...it was expected that they would turn against Gulaal due to being hurt by this revelation...what's going to be interesting obviously is what this will mean for K and G's relationship...what Kesar's stance will be as he sees the elders turning against Gulaal...obviously Kesar will always stand by Gulaal no matter what...so I'm expecting some interesting drama coming up and some fab performances from all the actors involved.

So I agree with the difference of 'expectation' from Gulaal vs Kesar. I do think Gulaal being asked to leave will not be a humiliating thing for her, but more of disappointment and betrayal, which compels her to come to that position. Remember, like the time MB learned of the DV? And was so upset by Gulaal's decision, that she offered to leave the house? I think this time MB and PB will be more upset than ever - of course- and it will just be the kind of situation where while Dushyant hands himself to the cops, Gulaal will find her way to the door. I doubt the elders will actually drag her out... so to say, but they wont stop her either, unlike other times, so disheartened will they be... and that's where Kesar steps in? His promise of standing with her in her gham always, whether or not in the khushi totally seems like the cue to follow! Like he assured her of his word, because she was going to need it very very soon! For more than just 5 days of fasting! 😆

Yes it may be the last week for Dushyant...but it's better to go out with a bang with this revelation happening than just aevein disappear which is what I was dreading...they will give justified closure to this huge secret that they've been hiding for years...the outcome had to be something of this sort only...better than the way characters random disappear in other shows I say.

True that. There's a Punjabi saying to that effect, one that my Dad is fond of: Meleyaan de bhare hoye nikal jao! translates to, leave while the celebrity of the fair is still at it's peak! Yes, he'd leave at the grand peak, when he leaves now... it seems interesting in retrospect, that one of the major reasons to hold back on revealing his murder mystery earlier was because of the vital role he had to play in bringing GK together - including his very important decision as Sarpanch on their DV! Dushyant, for good and bad, has always managed to promote the GK angle, and he was needed for that role - so they couldn't just turn him in a decade ago... or even soon after Kesar was back, with him spilling the beans then when he was at his agitated and tormented worst!

Oh and awesome VM! lol...but I liked your Jaane tu one more😊 Oh me too! I mean, I like Jaane Tu better too - but this was more fun to make, I couldn't but keep getting carried away and watching the scenes so many times over, instead of just fixing the VM and getting on with it 😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aeryn


@bold - After seeing the precap that's what I thought too. Never expected Kesar to be the one to spill the beans though. I predicted that he'll be in distrust-Dushyant mode again at the slightest whiff of Dushy being shady but actually never thought it would be him to let out the truth...to be honest I'm kind of disappointed...It will be interesting to see how JK will act. On one hand she knows the truth of Dushyant being innocent in the dowry issue but on the other, will get a shocker at learning his murdering of his brother. Will she try to exculpate him by invoking his changed nature and disclosing raman's deeds in the process or will she choose to simply watch Dushy's downfall keeping in mind that saving Dushy will not be easy and thinking that at least one son will remain with her?

Yes- that is going to be a very interesting Catch-22 spot for her. One son over the other, or lose both! A tough call - but it's pretty ironic the way JK's life plays. Her greatest cross shall remain the doings of her own sons... and who but she herself is to blame for making them what they are?

It does seem unfair. If Kesar is the one to disclose the truth then it stands to reason the family will ask how he knows this and since when! So why only Kesar will get a bypass 😕 Have to say if that is the case then I'm disappointed by MB and PB. I get that they will be majorly disappointed and hurt (and rightfully so) but to throw Gulaal out overlooking who she is, her utter devotion to this house till now doesn't gel well with me. At least hear her out, she's human and like any human she makes mistakes! - this one is a very big one but still...it does show that whatever how the daughter in law is, at the end of the day she will always remain a stranger in her sasural...hope it will happen in a different way in the show...

@bold - like I said to Nur above - I doubt it's going to be a case of 'throwing her out'. I think its going to be alot more of heart break for them, which will lead Gulaal to find her way to the door, and then, unlike all other times, this time, they will not stop her, because this sense of betrayal at her hands will have left them very shattered. In a single go, it will rob them of the blind trust placed in two people - Gulaal and Dushyant - on different accounts. As for Kesar, Nur has a point. Kesar has been the beloved little baby of the house - but he has never been the one placed on an equal pedestal of credit as Gulaal or Dushyant, so I reckon in a way, his keeping of the truth almost fades in comparison! Not out of pro-bias, but almost out of an ironic 'lesser' bias.. he's never been so high on their expectation list, to fall from where Gulaal is falling! He has been, and continues to be - the underdog! 😆


The angry impulsive young man is still there. He will have trouble keeping his anger and doubts under control that's for sure. Tough time ahead for Dushy indeed *sigh* Are we heading for a new Kes-Gul separation track? Looks like Kesar's 'I'll stand with you through your pain and sorrows' statement will be put to test...what will be interesting to see will be Gulaal's attitude towards Kesar now? Any guesses? After so much improvement in their relationship - to the point that both are coming close to realise leaving without each other is near unimaginable - henceforth, what/how will be their interactions?

@bold - totally! Part of me says he will pass with flying colors from the word GO! But part of me also anticipates Kesar going crazy briefly, before falling back on track. I hope he doesn't lose it - adapting himself to the truth that he lost one brother, at the hand of the other, over the want of the lady he, the third brother, now loves too! It's pretty demented like that! 😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: alanta

"Dude, if these two don't deserve each other, made in heaven jodis is totally a myth. "


Excellent thought👏

I do think that if Gulaal is asked to leave the house for hiding the secret, then Kesar would protest it or will ask to punish him too as he too was her partner in hiding the truth in some way or the other. That too for 10 long years.



I think the entire unfolding of this scenario is classic high drama. The situation is so complicated, no one can really be absolved of the blame they personally bear, or that which they are bearing for another they love.

Dushyant bears the blame of his own sin, plus of hiding Raman's trickery.

Gulaal bears the brunt of Dushyant's secret keeping. In turn of betraying the family of a truth they have long deserved to know.

Kesar bears the brunt of secret keeping for Gulaal's sake. I don't think he's explicitly aware of doing this as a favor in turn for the family, in keeping them close knit. Which is where, his reason to keep the secret becomes almost a little 'singularly centered' as opposed to Gulaal...

Because if they cannot accept Gulaal's logic in hiding the truth for family's sake - it's hard to justify Kesar keeping the secret mostly for Gulaal alone's sake!

Gah! reminds me of a these lines... What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Piu - 😆 @ pankha ... It took me a moment to figure that one out! You can say whatever you like. You sense of rhyme is crazy fun! ⭐️ So keep it coming!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: MeySimi

JZee, Read this info on Manasi's blog. She is requesting for creative writers in the entertainment industry

http://manasiparekh.india-forums.com/
You should seriously and genuinely give it a try, Kya pata, you may be the forerunner to sensible writing in TV soaps. I mean it. Okay!!!. Please save our future generation from the saas-bahu saga and stale uninspired script.


Aww Ganga! I've actually read that blog by her and commented on the post too! I don't see myself going 'media' way in years to come - but I certainly hope to write - and write away to the end! 😳 Watching a show like Gulaal makes me realize what a long way it is to producing something is tasteful standard! I don't think I'm even half way in the making yet! 😆 But fiction is addictive. It's just amazing how much of life and what of the world you begin to see, through the eyes of fictional characters!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Jzephyr, very nice post but will have to read twice before I get full understanding of what you have written. Your are brilliant writer, I have come across.

Your rambling is definitely too long.🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

Piu -😆@ pankha ... It took me a moment to figure that one out! You can say whatever you like. You sense of rhyme is crazy fun!⭐️So keep it coming!

😆Bole to yaar u actually took time to figure that😛

Well I just loved your Analysis and Your optimism to anu's reply👏..Well I also think..that the whole flow of the storyline and the every twists and turns were always meant to be a part of the story and not merely introduced to garner Trp's..I think this production house did a blunder for choosing Sp to air this show which has a history of blindly supporting stupid saas bahu crap..secondly they didn't promote the lead pair too...This is a completely unconventional love story..as ppl here say a saga...⭐️

Gulaal if aired on colours which is like the best channel when it comes to content...and they never compromised to generate TRP's..even their new show promo..parichay...seems absolutely interesting and different.⭐️

Well coming back to Gulaal...Everything seems woven in a web and as the show progresses there is detangling of the stories..rather than introducing *Kheer mein cheeni kum huyi..ab kya karegi XYz..type of nonsense track*😡

Well I have always Appreciated the character of Dushy..murderer/molester turned saint..sad that His character ill end...and My heart still breaks..errr *laughs* that we actually thought of that Dulli angle..😆

😛Phew Jzee finally managed to say something sensible🤣...see me trying to be different.🤓.trying to be sensible😲


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Ok..me back!!

Jzee, Nur: I guess the episodes coming up will tie up with the episode where Gulaal told Kes that the only thing she worries about is Kes's temper because when he loses his temper...he loses all sense!!

Kes did look angry at Gul in the precap and I feel that must be because she must have admonished him for questioning Dushy about money. At the end of the day, Dushy has changed and he has been handling the kaarkhaana without Raman and Kesar for so many years. Also, when MB does not ask Dushy for any hisaab...who is Kesar to ask Dushy such questions??? Kesar being Kesar will completely take Gulaal's fatkaar in the wrong way leading to a huge showdown where of course Kesar in the heat of the moment will reveal the fact that Vasant had been killed by none other than Dushy!

This is exactly what Gulaal was trying to make him understand a few days back (the look at yourself in the mirror scene). Kesu is hot tempered, jumps to the wrong conclusions and hurting people around him in the wake. He obviously does not understand why Gulaal has kept this secret for so long and the consequences when the secret will be revealed. To be honest, I don't blame Kesu for not understanding because Gulaal (even after she found out that he knew) did not try to explain her reasons...on the other hand, Kes knows Gulaal so well...so shouldn't he have thought twice about why his Gulaal would keep the cause of Vasant's death from the family for such a long time??

Ultimately, the two people who will suffer the most by the end of this will be Gulaal and Kesar. I don't think Kesar must have even imagined that she will be asked to leave the house because of his revelation...2 months left for the DV to break and separation already! This the second time Gulaal will be leaving the house and this time with MB and PB against her, Dushy gone...I wonder what or rather who will bring her back?

PS: I keep saying this on every thread but I really hope Gulaal is asked to leave after Talli's wedding. Don't want her hanging around Kesu when Gul is not around! Had enough of that already!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Well I have always Appreciated the character of Dushy..murderer/molester turned saint..sad that His character ill end...and My heart still breaks..errr *laughs* that we actually thought of that Dulli angle..😆

😛Phew Jzee finally managed to say something sensible🤣...see me trying to be different.🤓.trying to be sensible😲



Well in defense of team Dulli - of which you and I are were once loyal members - there was scope to that scenario, undoubtedly! But there is no saying how much melodrama that drama could be transformed into, because the complications of there were almost too intense to be 'logically' resolved! But when we went out for Dulli - we were looking at the scope of track extent, as well as ow to get rid of Talli plus, our high thing for Dushyant himself has been polished and brought back to fore in these last days... So lets just say thankfully the CVs were not as 'creatively drama oriented' as us - because Dushyant might as well be in jail, than be intellectually suffocated all his life with a wife like Talli! For all his lust for Gulaal - I think part of the spark Dushyant felt for her a decade ago, also arose from how 'bright' she is as a person - not just pretty and enticing, or silly and girly, but substantial as an individual of her own. There is a magnetism her character exerts in terms of being physically charming and a die-for spirit! The grown up Talli is almost a disappointment, when you look at child version sometimes. But part of it is totally on account of being overtly patronized by Galool and Sudhi! 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gman

Jzephyr, very nice post but will have to read twice before I get full understanding of what you have written. Your are brilliant writer, I have come across.


Your rambling is definitely too long.🤣


Yes Ginu, brevity is the unfulfilled parameter in my list of to-be-acquired virtues 😆

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