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Kasturilover

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Posted: 14 years ago

Hi All,

I must confess that I have watched Gulaal in parts. Used to watch it initially and then switched on to see the Sony Yash Raj serials (which by the way are outstanding😳), which took some time.

At the outset, I have to say I like the serial Gulaal😊. It has a fresh story and the technical finesse is awesome👏, in terms of the cinematograpgy, the dialogues, the songs, and the costumes. The cherry on the cake is that the acting, which is consistently outstanding. After all it has some of the best talent on Indian TV today.👏

So coming to the heart of Gulaal........Gulaal herself.

I admire her as a heroine and that she has spine and the guts to stand up for her belief.👏

But then there is the other part of Gulaal, which like you and me is of a young woman. A woman who apart from ideals also requires love, affection and a peaceful marital life. Unfortunately all this seems to be denied to her.

I really loved the Vasant Gulaal pairing. Both actors looked fresh and good together. And it is safe to say that Gulaal indeed loved Vasant and held him in regard so much that she gave up her life's comforts and wants for his family.

But now Vasant is no more. So where does Gulaal go from here.

Deyarrvatu?........ok that is done.

But now what...... As Paan Ba rightly mentioned, what happens when that Devar becomes a strapping young handsome man?

And this is where I have a slightly different perspective from some of you. Please if you don't agree with me, lets agree to disagree and not argue.

a. The TRP commercial perspective.

As this member, Reemz, correctly pointed out the TRPs of Gulaal are taking a beating and the only way to get it back is a catchy/ cum controversial story line. For this reason alone the Gulaal Kesar pairing must work and work well.

Unless, Vasant comes back......and I personally see that happening....not now but once Gulaal and Kesar fortify their relationship..........why do I feel that......because thats the way TV serials usually work.

b. The emotional perspective.

I have some difficulty in accepting Gulaal and Kesar falling for each other so easily. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love the Neil-Mansi chemistry😳 and also think its an interesting storyline.

However, I would love to give Gulaal more respect than just the pyaar and alekapan track. I think Gulaal truly loved Vasant, so much that she held his ideals high above everything.

When he died, her mind was conditioned to take care of his family including his much younger siblings, Rewa and Kesar.

If I put myself in that situation, it is not possible for me to have any lover or physical feelings for Rewa and Kesar. For me, my mind will tell me that I am their guardian and therefore I will have only affection and a platonic love for them.

And dont misunderstand this to be from a physical angle alone. Even from an emotional angle love for a husband or a lover is very different from the love for a very dear one.

I think right now Gulaal is exhibiting love for Kesar as that of a very dear one and not that of a lover. And kudos to Mansi 👏👏 for enacting it so well.

The only way that can change, is if Gulaal and Kesar (who is now a young man) are made to see a side of each other and ofthemselves whereby they emotionally connect as two adults who may then fall in love.

What may help is if they physically stay with each other, and Gulaal is forced to accept him not just as a husband for namesake but as a husband in its entirety (again please dont misunderstand this as just physical, but a wife also provides much more emotional support than just helping out with Pujas and food).

Same goes for Kesar. If I were him I can be enamoured by Gulaal but if I was a twelve year old, who had clearly seen her relationship with my elder brother, it will not be so easy for me to think of her as as my romantic sweetheart.

I think what the CVs should show is deep respect and affection that gradually turns into love. Right now they seem to be showing Kesar already in love, which just seems to be sudden and fast, given that he was away for so many years and under a misunderstanding.

So all I am saying that this track needs more focus, Gulaal Kesar need more interaction and if the CVs want to show them as a pair then there has to be a gradual falling for each other..........not because they were married, or because they are scared of losing each other, or because they are dependant on each other or because Kesar suddenly thinks Gulaal is attractive.

But because as adults they both realise an emotional bonding with each other.......that leads to love.

c. Kesar and Talli

I am perhaps a minority of the few members here who actually likes the actress who plays Talli. What is so wrong in her?? Why do people dislike her so much.

We all know that Indian TV serials are filled with a lot many actresses who cannot act for their life. Even some of the so called Star Plus leading actresses have just one or two fixed expressions on their face😆😆

I dont think this girl Talli is so bad in her acting. She was quite good in the scenes when she visits her home, and when she is playful with Kesar.

Now coming to her character. What is so wrong with her?? I don't like her with Kesar. That is because I feel Kesar should be given his own space to decide his life partner.

But that does not mean that I hate Talli.

She is an orphan who has been denied her parent's love and affection in her life. The only people who gave her that love, were Sudha, Gulaal and Kesar. So what is so wrong if she is smitten by Kesar. Any young woman who grows up with the constant mental prodding by Sudha and Gulaal that she is made for Kesar is bound to be smitten by him.

If any body is to be blamed it should be Sudha and Gulaal for putting such romantic ideas into the mind of a twelve year old.

And on a separate note, its difficult not to fall for the handsome NEIL BHATT😳😆 isnt it.

d. Gulaal and Dushyant

I said it somewhere that I find the Gulaal and Dushyant track equally intresting.

I do understand it is not easy to forgive your husband's killer.

But I think as a character Gulaal is much above this. 😳 She is an excellent example of how she not only forgave Dushyant but also truly inspired and redeemed him. 👏

As for Dushyant, if he does not deserve a chance at another happiness in life, then let us all stop imagining that any hardened criminal will ever be redeemed.

e. Gulaal and Vasant

I really want Vasant to come back😳...and Rahil if possible.😳

That for me is a lovely love story😳.......as Gulaal mentioned in the Deyarvatu scene, she is not Savitri......but she comes quite close to a finest example of someone who truly loved Vasant not just in her heart but through her deeds.👏

Thanks for reading

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vasundhara78

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Posted: 14 years ago

i guess its just prolongation of the other thread.

some people whp like rahil azam want him to come back , so are against gulaal kesar. some people who like neil are against vasant gulaal for the same reasons.

thi show is based on a very old film "ek chadar maili si" there it is even worse if possible. hema malini is 15 yrs elder to rishi ..... she has 2 grown up kids in their teens and still they both accept each othe rin the end. hema also says teh same thing ....... i have literally mothered him ...... and yet she accepts keeping large rpicture in mind.

just becuase u cannot percieve ur bhabhi as ur potential spouse it dsnt mean it cannot happen anywhere else in the world. no offense but it is a fact life is not so idealistic eveyrwhere. life changes, relationships and perceptions also change. infact for me a devar marryign bhabhi is a supreme example of selflessness. its nto to say i wud expect that personally in my own life. life is different from a show.even i wudnt want that ....... not becuase i fell i was a surrogate mother to my devar , i appreciate him and yet i have my reasons this dsnt mean i shud autoamtically think it is wrong everywhere else in the world. its a tradition and this show is primarily about it.

as for dushyant ......urggh is teh only way out for gulaal for helping him redeem himself is marrying him? can she no tbe friends etc with him? if she marrying him that is going to be the biggest betrayal to the dead vasant ...... who was killed becuase of what dushyant had in his heart ..... and for gulaal to give dushyant what he wanted in the first place....... thats impossible, plain disgusting. again if this story was about partition then it wud be different. god knows how many women accepted killers as their husbands then but that was partition not ordinary circumstance.and i find it very disturbing that now women shud start marrying people who make them a widow or rape them ... the onyl way of redeeming criminal men is to offer themselve sin a platter. u have urself said u liked vasant ........ it is not ok if his widow marries his brotehr who loves her is smitten by her but its ok if she marries his killer who merely lusted after her. at least ask the woman what she wants. and im sorry for my caustic tone ...... but alas i am not very good at politeness. im sorry for being rude.

as for talli, the actress is yuck, she is not beautiful, her dressing sense is yuck, she is desperate for a guy ( a married guy )and i hate girls who run after guys. thats demeaning nto just for them but for entire womenhood. and even the accompanyign background score sucks. the script writers ahve done a poor job of evolving her character.

hope i have given our perspective here.

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vasundhara78

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prernacda

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Posted: 14 years ago

i agree with your perspective and am a minority on this forum where everyone wants a kesar gulaal jodi...

never in favour and still not convinced...they love each other, but not all love relationships have to end up with marriage.

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vasundhara78

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: prernacda
i agree with your perspective and am a minority on this forum where everyone wants a kesar gulaal jodi...
never in favour and still not convinced...they love each other, but not all love relationships have to end up with marriage.

then probably u never liked ek chadar maili si, lamhe and kumkum too. it is primarily about deeyarvattu thats the evry premise on which the entire show is based on .......... like phoolan devi in phulwa and vampires in pyaar ki ye ek kahani. this is about widow remarriage and her journey to accept another man and for a twist that happens to be the devar .......... if u dotn like the very core of the show then why do u watch it, discuss it?

not necessarily a woman shud spend her entire life talking to a photo on the wall.

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ritukaprithvi

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Posted: 14 years ago

@vasundhara

It has been lamented over and over the ages about how men look for their mother tpyes when they are looking for wives for themselves. Excatly because they want someone who adores them no matter what. Salman Khan has been accused of this by his own father, for not getting married. his father says he is waiting for someone who is both like wife and mother to him as the situation demands. KESAR sees gulaal ALWAYS their for him no matter what.

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Kasturilover

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: prernacda
i agree with your perspective and am a minority on this forum where everyone wants a kesar gulaal jodi...
never in favour and still not convinced...they love each other, but not all love relationships have to end up with marriage.

Thanks for the reply. 😊

We all should be entitled to our views.

For me, I dont have anything against the age difference and frankly Neil and Mansi share a crackling chemistry.😳

I also find the Kesar-Gulaal track interesting. It is just that I feel it needs much more depth than what is being shown now.

I think Gulaal's perspective is well etched. She is only exhibiting a deep concern and affection for Kesar, primarily because she thinks making him like Vasnt was Vasnt's dream, giving him education and values was Vasant's dream, making him a responsible man was Vasant and Mothabha's dream. Plus Gulaal was fond of the child Kesar and she now is grappling with his seemingly changed values now that Kesar has become old.

So I think the CVs are right on target with Gulaal so far and Mansi Parekh is doing a fabulous job with it. 👏 She is able to emote so well the concern for Kesar, without giving it any other tinge. 👏👏

Not once since Kesar returned has Gulaal given any hint of a romantic yearning. Its a very tough role to enact and I think an actress with less calibre than Mansi would have made a mess of it.

For example she was fabulous yesterday when she holds Kesar's childhood shirt. The emotions were those of someone who is upset that a very dear one is upset with her, a child who looked up to her is upset with her, the trust between them is broken. But no where was any tinge of yearning or romance.

Unfortunately Kesar's characterisation seems to be very wishy washy at this point. And I wish the CVs writers give it more depth.

Neil Bhatt is a good actor and he handled a complex role in 12/ 24 Karol Baug very well. 👏

So the CVs should spend more time on shaping his character, for example, what he thinks of Gulaal now, if he has romantic feelings towards her how did they get developed. Did he try to deny these feelings etc etc. This would be the natural way to show the transformation of feelings for someone who was at one point your brother's wife.

So all I am asking for is for the CVs to given this relationship more depth. If they want to show Gulaal and Kesar together thats fine. But that should be because as adults Gulaal and Kesar discover this feeling of love in themselves and then gradually fall for each other. That will give their relationship meaning ......and therefore acceptance.

Not because they are married or because they find each other attractive or are dependent (which is how the Kesar track seems to be largely going now) or because they are forced to do so.

thanks

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*Reemz*

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Posted: 14 years ago

Personally, as lovely as Vasant-Gulaal were, they were always meant to be short lived. There was no big hurdle in their love story which always has some sort of significance. A love story which culminates in to marriage within the first 2-3 months of a show is rare and it also kind of makes you think there must be something else that the creatives want to portray and as far as 'Gulaal' is concerned, they were constantly giving hints for 'Kesar and Gulaal', the whole 2nd marriage prediction and basically the bond that has always been there. It's practically lasted more than Vasant and Gulaals which again signifies that Kesar and Gulaal have something going for them. Their dynamics are FAR MORE interesting than any of the other possible pairings.

1.Vasant-Gulaal: As I said, no hurdles or anything to suggest that this will be a love story to be remembered.

2. Kesar-Talli: Childhood friends turning lovers. How many times have we seen that? 'Gulaal'- the show was not made to show a clichd story like that.

3. Dushyant-Gulaal: I know some find them interesting but the heroine marrying her husband's killer has happened before too. Once again nothing unique there and to be honest the way the creatives have handled their angle is truly admirable. They have a certain respect for one another and Dushyant doesn't even think of her that way anymore, he respects her too much to actually have those feelings he once used to.

Now coming to Kesar and Gulaal...

Something never seen before. This bond has been given many different tags but mostly everyone in the forum because their dynamic is so hatke to anything else seen on Indian TV. When she took his responsibility, there weren't any romantic feelings from either party (for obvious reasons) but the depth of their relationship has always been so strong that you knew, in the future something could happen with their angle. I don't think Kesar is having these 'arousing' (or whatever you want to call it) for Gulaal out of nowhere. She has always been the woman for him and innocently he always found her beautiful. Now he's a grown man, she's still so perfect so why would he be attracted to another girl? Gulaal's character is so intriguing yet so warm, you automatically want to respect her even though she doesn't demand anything. Kesar has been the only other man Gulaal has loved unconditionally after Vasant which is why there is always potential for her to cross that boundary. It will be gradual but that's what makes the story interesting right? It's not the conventional pairing. They seem wrong yet so right for each other.

Final Note: The only reason this forum has become active and a great place of debate is because of Kesar-Gulaal. Something which the other 3 pairings could not do...!

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Kasturilover

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: *Reemz*
Personally, as lovely as Vasant-Gulaal were, they were always meant to be short lived. There was no big hurdle in their love story which always has some sort of significance. A love story which culminates in to marriage within the first 2-3 months of a show is rare and it also kind of makes you think there must be something else that the creatives want to portray and as far as 'Gulaal' is concerned, they were constantly giving hints for 'Kesar and Gulaal', the whole 2nd marriage prediction and basically the bond that has always been there. It's practically lasted more than Vasant and Gulaals which again signifies that Kesar and Gulaal have something going for them. Their dynamics are FAR MORE interesting than any of the other possible pairings.

1.Vasant-Gulaal: As I said, no hurdles or anything to suggest that this will be a love story to be remembered.

2. Kesar-Talli: Childhood friends turning lovers. How many times have we seen that? 'Gulaal'- the show was not made to show a clichd story like that.

3. Dushyant-Gulaal: I know some find them interesting but the heroine marrying her husband's killer has happened before too. Once again nothing unique there and to be honest the way the creatives have handled their angle is truly admirable. They have a certain respect for one another and Dushyant doesn't even think of her that way anymore, he respects her too much to actually have those feelings he once used to.

Now coming to Kesar and Gulaal...

Something never seen before. This bond has been given many different tags but mostly everyone in the forum because their dynamic is so hatke to anything else seen on Indian TV. When she took his responsibility, there weren't any romantic feelings from either party (for obvious reasons) but the depth of their relationship has always been so strong that you knew, in the future something could happen with their angle. I don't think Kesar is having these 'arousing' (or whatever you want to call it) for Gulaal out of nowhere. She has always been the woman for him and innocently he always found her beautiful. Now he's a grown man, she's still so perfect so why would he be attracted to another girl? Gulaal's character is so intriguing yet so warm, you automatically want to respect her even though she doesn't demand anything. Kesar has been the only other man Gulaal has loved unconditionally after Vasant which is why there is always potential for her to cross that boundary. It will be gradual but that's what makes the story interesting right? It's not the conventional pairing. They seem wrong yet so right for each other.

Final Note: The only reason this forum has become active and a great place of debate is because of Kesar-Gulaal. Something which the other 3 pairings could not do...!

Thanks for writing😊

I already acknowledged you specifically in my first post by saying that what you think about the TRP is right and I agree. Its the Kesar Gulaal pairing that will bring in the TRPs.

And I again mention that I too find it interesting. I have given my reasons above in my two posts as to why I think while Gulaal's part is flowing well Kesar's part is patchy for me. I dont think he is aroused (as you mentioned it) when he sees her. But I do think his feelings need to be shown in much more clarity to us, because his is an equally difficult characterisation as Gulaal's in the current storyline.

I hope the CVs find a way to show that well. So far this serial has concentrated on a strong story line and hopefully they will do that in the future😳

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Incense

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Posted: 14 years ago

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nice post ............but we all have to wait and watch and see how this story develops this story has so many possible tracks predicting the story now is so difficult i personally like kesar and gulaal for the sheer fact that its different and it happens in villages ................this tradition is followed in so many places in rajasthan gujarat madhya pradesh ..............widows are married to their younger or older brother in law not only to secure them but also to protect their ancestral property .........as per the rule after the death of a husband husband's property is tranferred to his wife and the panchayat and elder family member enforces widow to marry their older and younger brother in law so that their property remain in their home and chances of widow marrying other person is diminshed....................well this tradition is sometimes good sometimes bad in many cases married couple live happily and accpet their relationship...........but in some cases mostly seen in men they cant accept their relationship they cant accept the fact that the girl they are married to is older than them ans previously married to their brother and often in such case men either abandon their wives or bring second wife for themselves and in such cases villagers and family members sympathize with man and women have to live the lonely life............so this is basically deeyavatru tradition.........now coming back to our gulaal -vasant- kesar and talli.........

gulaal and vasant were sweet couple their world was full of happiness and joy but all good good things doenst last forever so vasant and gulaal didnt last ........now if vasant and gulaal are meant to be together then whats the point of introducing deeyavtru in their story............the whole concept will go waste ........

same goes with kesar and talli ........no point of introducing deeyavatru again .........and members in this forum dont hate talli they simply dont connect with her after who wants to be connected with an dumb airheaded girl....... talli is smitten by kesar in her childhood she always lived dreaming about her and kesar marriage but now she isnt child anymore........ she knews gulaal is accepted as wife in the society so she should apply some brains too but no this simply refuses to apply her brains and do such childish act which not only annoys kesar but also the audience she is orphan ok but doesnt mean she will become a protogonist for that sheer fact......

kesar and gulaal story is based on the concept of the show "deeyavatru" kesar has always considered gulaal as his soulmate.......... for 8 years a person is considering a girl as his own wife someone who has occupied his heart his mind his breath his thoughts we see ppl falling in love in their childhood and leading a happy life later.......we have seen and accepted so many stories like devdas, wuthering heights, mukadar ka sikander where boy loves his sweetheart since he is a child but here the difference is only that girl is 10 year older to him but that doesnt make his love inferior and unworthy he has evey right to love his sweetheart after all nobody told him its wrong...............as far as gulaal is considered yes its difficult for her to accept kesar becoz he is not her first love and secondly her prespective for him is always different but that doesnt means she has to live her lonely sacrificing for other .........she needs companion she needs to be loved every single person wants to be loved so whats wrong if gulaal wants it too......she has acted like kesar 's guardian but isnt every girl do.that.......isnt every girl nurtures take care of her love every girl act like their guardian .....even man do that for their wife......its what every man complain dont try to be mother but thats women tendency nautre has gifted us to take care and we do that so is gulaal but yes here feeling was not as lover but more as care taker but that doesnt means that feelings cant change afterall her kesar is changed.now .....its difficult for her to accept kesar but not impossible..........she has to understand that the boy she nurtured was different now there is a man standing before her who has different thoughts different prespective different thoughts he is mature ,responsible , caring and madly in love with her.........she has to decide weather she will move ahead with him or remain stuck in the past memory ????

sorry for the long post😛

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