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Lennie

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Posted: 14 years ago

#11

All i can say is to ever doubt Gulaal's love for Vasant is so wrong, she loved him as anything - her strength for what she does to keep the family together is Vasant, coz that was Vasant's promise, always what he wanted, and to see Kesar a successful man etc

Vasant could come back and i only say this not coz the storyline requires it coz it doesnt, because the whole reason is that the way they ended Vasant's character coz its been left open - thats why he could come back, but if i see the whole point of the show and what the major point was is the deeyavatu and Kes-Gul relationship which was set in stone from the very start esp if you go back now and look at some of the hints in the episodes

I so agree on Kes-Gul to ever reach the stage of falling in love part, there has to be respect and affection and to understand each other which at this part isnt happening at the moment, coz of no one knows Kes knows what Gulaal does and Gul has no idea why Kes is aloof with her, there has to be a point where Kesar comes to understand Gulaal in a way and see how she has lived for many years how she is.... etc

For Gul to ever fall for Kes, its gonna be a tough transition to go from what she is right now to the woman feeling more for him........ right now i do agree i dont see a woman in love but the woman reaching out for the old Kesar

I dont think i ever said she is falling for him yet - no way or even said its gonna be easy for Gul to fall for Kes - again no way

The inner turmoil she will go through again is something Gulaal will fight against.

If i look back on the journey of Kes-Gul and the bond, to me Kes-Gul were meant to happen, and their journey to each other etc (even if i was a neutral viewer, i would think the same if i watched on and off that Kes-Gul will happen)

Another thing i dont hate Talli, i get she is orphan etc - but the thing is i dont see any depth in the character to make me feel for her in a way, - actress is doing well seeing as she is a newcomer and so on

And for Dushyant, you can feel for him and see a change in him which is done well to get across, but the whole reason why Vasant isnt here with Gulaal, is coz of that man and its something she has to live with and even Dushyant

I think right now what Dusyant-Gulaal are with each other, which is right - respecting each other and thats it

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Kasturilover

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Posted: 14 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: arti07

nice post ............but we all have to wait and watch and see how this story develops this story has so many possible tracks predicting the story now is so difficult i personally like kesar and gulaal for the sheer fact that its different and it happens in villages ................this tradition is followed in so many places in rajasthan gujarat madhya pradesh ..............widows are married to their younger or older brother in law not only to secure them but also to protect their ancestral property .........as per the rule after the death of a husband husband's property is tranferred to his wife and the panchayat and elder family member enforces widow to marry their older and younger brother in law so that their property remain in their home and chances of widow marrying other person is diminshed....................well this tradition is sometimes good sometimes bad in many cases married couple live happily and accpet their relationship...........but in some cases mostly seen in men they cant accept their relationship they cant accept the fact that the girl they are married to is older than them ans previously married to their brother and often in such case men either abandon their wives or bring second wife for themselves and in such cases villagers and family members sympathize with man and women have to live the lonely life............so this is basically deeyavatru tradition.........now coming back to our gulaal -vasant- kesar and talli.........

gulaal and vasant were sweet couple their world was full of happiness and joy but all good good things doenst last forever so vasant and gulaal didnt last ........now if vasant and gulaal are meant to be together then whats the point of introducing deeyavtru in their story............the whole concept will go waste ........

same goes with kesar and talli ........no point of introducing deeyavatru again .........and members in this forum dont hate talli they simply dont connect with her after who wants to be connected with an dumb airheaded girl....... talli is smitten by kesar in her childhood she always lived dreaming about her and kesar marriage but now she isnt child anymore........ she knews gulaal is accepted as wife in the society so she should apply some brains too but no this simply refuses to apply her brains and do such childish act which not only annoys kesar but also the audience she is orphan ok but doesnt mean she will become a protogonist for that sheer fact......

kesar and gulaal story is based on the concept of the show "deeyavatru" kesar has always considered gulaal as his soulmate.......... for 8 years a person is considering a girl as his own wife someone who has occupied his heart his mind his breath his thoughts we see ppl falling in love in their childhood and leading a happy life later.......we have seen and accepted so many stories like devdas, wuthering heights, mukadar ka sikander where boy loves his sweetheart since he is a child but here the difference is only that girl is 10 year older to him but that doesnt make his love inferior and unworthy he has evey right to love his sweetheart after all nobody told him its wrong...............as far as gulaal is considered yes its difficult for her to accept kesar becoz he is not her first love and secondly her prespective for him is always different but that doesnt means she has to live her lonely sacrificing for other .........she needs companion she needs to be loved every single person wants to be loved so whats wrong if gulaal wants it too......she has acted like kesar 's guardian but isnt every girl do.that.......isnt every girl nurtures take care of her love every girl act like their guardian .....even man do that for their wife......its what every man complain dont try to be mother but thats women tendency nautre has gifted us to take care and we do that so is gulaal but yes here feeling was not as lover but more as care taker but that doesnt means that feelings cant change afterall her kesar is changed.now .....its difficult for her to accept kesar but not impossible..........she has to understand that the boy she nurtured was different now there is a man standing before her who has different thoughts different prespective different thoughts he is mature ,responsible , caring and madly in love with her.........she has to decide weather she will move ahead with him or remain stuck in the past memory ????

sorry for the long post😛

Hi Arti

Thanks for writing😊. appreciate it. As I mentioned somewhere else, you write well and I like reading it.

Regarding the part I highlighted in bold, you are correct in that parts of Northern India may have a tradition of a widow marrying the husband's brother. Although as you rightly mentioned, I too have read newspaper reports that suggest that most of the time these marriages turn into disaster and are just one more example of atrocities against women, with the remarried woman being abused or the husband abandoning her.😭

But as a reality it very much happens and in that sense the serial makers are not showing anything impossible to imagine.

Thanks for highlighting an aspect of Talli that I did not consider. 😳 Now that you say it Talli is indeed a 20 year old and cannot take it for granted that Gulaal and Kesar's marriage will break to let her and Kesar be married. You have a relevant point here.

As you have read my posts you know my thoughts. If Kesar Gulaal are to be shown together then I want Gulaal and Kesar's feelings to evolve.....and not just suddenly happen. Their pairing is not impossible to imagine, but it is very sensitive considering the dynamics of past relationship they shared with Vasant and with each other.

And therefore this track should not come accross as frivolous or just another filmy love story.

Thanks

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Incense

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Posted: 14 years ago

#13

thanks for appreciating btw your name ?????

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@-JC-

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Posted: 14 years ago

#14

hi Kasturilover, Nice to read your post. I agree with your first post, it reflects my views exactly.

Like you, I do feel that Vasant will come back. It might have been that Gulaal was intentioned to center around the deyarvattu when it started. But the audience reaction to Rahil and Manasi's pairing had them rethink the possibilities. Now they are playing around with Kesar and Gulaal's pairing to see if the audience will be able to accept it with the same enthusiasm as V_G and if not then they'll still have the option to bring Vasant back.

I think the reason for the patchy character development, as you put it, in Kesar's case is because the writers are testing the waters to see the audience reaction to the possibility. If they get more eyeballs with Kesar Gulaal then they'll go that way if not then they'll bring Rahil back. So for now they can't have Kesar going one way or the other. So he does flip-flops thanks to the doubts he has about Vasant's murder. That misunderstanding can be easily cleared...all it takes in one angry outburst from Kesar where he asks Gulaal why she hid this truth from everyone and how she could forgive Dushyant...and Gulaal will gladly explain why she forgave rather than punishing the man who killed her husband.

As for Gulaal-Vasant vs. Gulaal-Kesar love story...I like them both equally. I have seen how G_V can be. It would be nice to see G_K now. But if that cannot be done logically then i'd rather that Gulaal's character remains intact (respectful) the way it has been for so long and no compromises are made to her characterization just to show a love story between G&K. Writers have done a great job at maintaining the characters (each single one of them, not just the main stars) thus far and if they are capable of it, then they will know how to continue the story without making such compromises.

Edited by -JC- - 14 years ago

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vasundhara78

@vasundhara78

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Posted: 14 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Kasturilover

Hi Arti

Thanks for writing😊. appreciate it. As I mentioned somewhere else, you write well and I like reading it.

Regarding the part I highlighted in bold, you are correct in that parts of Northern India may have a tradition of a widow marrying the husband's brother. Although as you rightly mentioned, I too have read newspaper reports that suggest that most of the time these marriages turn into disaster and are just one more example of atrocities against women, with the remarried woman being abused or the husband abandoning her.😭

But as a reality it very much happens and in that sense the serial makers are not showing anything impossible to imagine.

Thanks for highlighting an aspect of Talli that I did not consider. 😳 Now that you say it Talli is indeed a 20 year old and cannot take it for granted that Gulaal and Kesar's marriage will break to let her and Kesar be married. You have a relevant point here.

As you have read my posts you know my thoughts. If Kesar Gulaal are to be shown together then I want Gulaal and Kesar's feelings to evolve.....and not just suddenly happen. Their pairing is not impossible to imagine, but it is very sensitive considering the dynamics of past relationship they shared with Vasant and with each other.

And therefore this track should not come accross as frivolous or just another filmy love story.

Thanks

every tradition in thi ssociety has a potential to be abused. thi sds not go to say that the tradition is bad, ye sit may get distorted along the way.

khair women are abused in US an din india , in rich and in poor ......... no point blaming it on this tradition ...... karne wale bahane dhoondh hi lete hain.

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346815

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Posted: 14 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: vasundhara78
. it is not ok if his widow marries his brotehr who loves her is smitten by her but its ok if she marries his killer who merely lusted after her. at least ask the woman what she wants

as for talli, the actress is yuck, she is not beautiful, her dressing sense is yuck, she is desperate for a guy ( a married guy )and i hate girls who run after guys. thats demeaning nto just for them but for entire womenhood. and even the accompanyign background score sucks. the script writers ahve done a poor job of evolving her character.

hope i have given our perspective here.

perfectly put /... Dushyant shud admit his crime to the police if he is man enufff ... and talli is just 🥱

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prernacda

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Posted: 14 years ago

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to vasundhara78

to clarify your question, i watch the show, purely because of mansi parekh and dushyant...they are amazing actors and do their role great justice...i now, because of show understand devarvatu and it would be perfectly normal for gulaal to fall inlove with kesar, once she accepts that vasant is gone for good, and she cannot continue to live in the past.

i was not in favour of or against kesar and gulaal. i just have a hard time accepting....them, not because of age and i believe they have great chemistry and watched lamhe and loved it.....watched a live example of woman marrying man 20 years younger and happily married 25 years later....i dont like putting talli down, she is still young and immature, as her character portrayed plus a young naive actor.

the reason i am having a hard time is that she is still too much in love with vasant and his ghost and did it to keep her promise to him to keep the family together.....has to change her view from vasant to herself and then to kesar dushant or Mr. X....i think dushyant respects her and puts her on a pedestral, and his own conscious is punishing him daily just like the protagonist in crime and punishment by dosteovsky and he will end up going to police one of these days so he can sleep better.

how i spend my free time is my choice right....the objective of the forum is a healthy exchange of ideas and viewpoints,...not act as if we are in a betting pool or racecourse....

we can agree to disagree and that should be perfectly normal and acceptable in discussion forums...and we are all entitled to our viewpoints, right.? i love the show and we cannot control our own destiny, how can we control the destiny of an actress in an india serial....let the CVs have that pleasure but I do love the drama, incl. talli for the funny sad interludes. life has not dealt her a fair hand, and she still has that crush on kesar....we can control our actions way better than our emotions....!

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Kasturilover

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Posted: 14 years ago

#18

Hi Lennie, JC, prernacda,

Sorry I could not respond earlier as yesterday was very busy at work. Will write to you today.

Have a nice day/ evening.

Regards

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vasundhara78

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Posted: 14 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: prernacda
to vasundhara78
to clarify your question, i watch the show, purely because of mansi parekh and dushyant...they are amazing actors and do their role great justice...i now, because of show understand devarvatu and it would be perfectly normal for gulaal to fall inlove with kesar, once she accepts that vasant is gone for good, and she cannot continue to live in the past.

i was not in favour of or against kesar and gulaal. i just have a hard time accepting....them, not because of age and i believe they have great chemistry and watched lamhe and loved it.....watched a live example of woman marrying man 20 years younger and happily married 25 years later....i dont like putting talli down, she is still young and immature, as her character portrayed plus a young naive actor.

the reason i am having a hard time is that she is still too much in love with vasant and his ghost and did it to keep her promise to him to keep the family together.....has to change her view from vasant to herself and then to kesar dushant or Mr. X....i think dushyant respects her and puts her on a pedestral, and his own conscious is punishing him daily just like the protagonist in crime and punishment by dosteovsky and he will end up going to police one of these days so he can sleep better.

how i spend my free time is my choice right....the objective of the forum is a healthy exchange of ideas and viewpoints,...not act as if we are in a betting pool or racecourse....

we can agree to disagree and that should be perfectly normal and acceptable in discussion forums...and we are all entitled to our viewpoints, right.? i love the show and we cannot control our own destiny, how can we control the destiny of an actress in an india serial....let the CVs have that pleasure but I do love the drama, incl. talli for the funny sad interludes. life has not dealt her a fair hand, and she still has that crush on kesar....we can control our actions way better than our emotions....!

and who is betting on a racecourse? i think my point made perfect sense the entir ecore of the show is kesar gulaal the very reason why vasant was cut short ....... it has been said before to many people rigth here ...... dushyant is played by sushant singh soem1 i really admire. but dushyant wud never marry gulaal no sooner than he wud jump off a cliff. his guilt wud never allow him to accept her as his wife. if he ds i wud loose all the respect i have developed for the character which he has gathered becuase of his supreme atonement ( u can see i have even written an appreciting dushyant thread ) ......

as for talli ...... i am entitled to my opinion too.

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Incense

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: vasundhara78

every tradition in thi ssociety has a potential to be abused. thi sds not go to say that the tradition is bad, ye sit may get distorted along the way.

khair women are abused in US an din india , in rich and in poor ......... no point blaming it on this tradition ...... karne wale bahane dhoondh hi lete hain.

vasu i m not saying either that this tradition is bad just want to tell how this noble tradition is misused by some ppl afterall gulaal and ek chadar malli si doesnt shows the happiness of indian women but shows the plight of indian women where she is not given the freedom of living according to her wish..........and chose the husband according to her choice.........in both drama it was clearly shown that the women had to make compromise ......gulaal's choice was not kesar nor dushyant it was the decision enforced on her she has to make a choice between dushyant adn kesar and she chose kesar not for marryig her and building a long term relationship but to protect him from his own family members and to protect kesar rights in his own family business coz if gulaal would have married dushyant her 40 % share would have automatically transferred to dushyant and he with 15% and 40% would become owner of the business and kesar interest would have supressed........but i m sure even if option of dushyant was not there still panchayant and other family member have forced her to marry kesar in order to protect their 40% .....it is not joy for a women but the agony and pain to marry 13-14 year old ........now the situation is improved in the serial coz kesar loves gulaal ( or adores her dont know exactly ) and there age difference is not that much .......but what if kesar didnt loved gulaal and loved someone else nobody could enforce gulaal on him as we see in other story where husband unwillingly stays with wife and eventually falls in lov.......e here kesar was married in childhood which is wrong and illegal too if he doesnt want to stay with gulaal nobody could have forced him to do so even audience sympathy was with kesar too......and in this case only one to suffer was gulaal.....! so basically tradition is nice but to enforce anyone in name of tradition is wrong !

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