Why Sai is not a doormat!!... Part 2 on page 4 - Page 8

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Mystic, completely my opinion here. I could be wrong. If we agree pakhi is a doormat which she is in my opinion, then by contrast sai can’t be one 😃! Fighting for what is right ( here her husband) up to a point sincerely without trespassing his comfort zone is considered will power or determination. Sai was willing to give up and start from 0 many times. She has resources but was emotionally attached so it was difficult for her! And if virat had an affair she would have never gotten back to him. Just because he was innocent and she misunderstood him, she is fighting for him and his love which she realized she was always entitled.

If we go by KD, even after sharing a loving relationship and having a baby, when he takes pakhi’s responsibility she draws a line and cuts him off because he takes her love for granted. She still had strength to break up with him after living with him for 7-8 years and having a kid with him! She tolerated twice but not the third Time! It speaks volumes, isn’t it?!

If you go behind someone who ill treats you repeatedly that's sign of doormat imo or walks all over you or let others do it or don't say anything or participate indirectly or directly in it even by staying quiet. Sai was being too clingy in that bedroom scene yesterday night, he didn't want her in his personal space.

Imon is different. They've ruined Sai's character graph. Imon might have been forgiving or mahaan but she never threw herself on Ronno or repeatedly went behind him to beg him to take her back in his life except 1 or 2 times. Imon never went out of her way to melt Ronno which Sai is doing rn when she hasn't done 1/4th of what Imon said & done to Ronno.

Originally posted by: mysticriver

If you go behind someone who ill treats you repeatedly that's sign of doormat imo or walks all over you or let others do it or don't say anything or participate indirectly or directly in it even by staying quiet. Sai was being too clingy in that bedroom scene yesterday night, he didn't want her in his personal space.

Imon is different. They've ruined Sai's character graph. Imon might have been forgiving or mahaan but she never threw herself on Ronno or repeatedly went behind him to beg him to take her back in his life except 1 or 2 times. Imon never went out of her way to melt Ronno which Sai is doing rn when she hasn't done 1/4th of what Imon said & done to Ronno.

Emon three times thrown herself to rono..

1st time her second accident.. I didn't understand what made her confess or running behind him.. Only because she started missing his warmth..He was guilty but thoroughly wooden.. Over here Virat was shown softer then Rono..

Next after 1st Shruti track she did grow little spine.. But that made sense because they were having blissful marriage life before shruti entered.. Emon was 22/23 during Shruti track..

Next third shruti track... After a point she crawls back to him even after he actually manipulates her.. Even she has threatened to kill herself if rono doesn't accept her apologies..

Emon was plain wild ..There is transition period between from becoming to girl to an woman .. Sai has the upper hand unlike Emon.. Because that's the selling point in Ghum.. Look how she is controlling each and everyone.. Virat is insulting her but he is obeying her..

Doormat is Aswini.. Who lived at abusive life for the sake of a child..She is the real example of doormat..

Sai's appololgy doesn't make sense because he was the one who created this situation.. Over here in the mimo track both were almost on the verge of living like a man and wife.. Also she has seen how Virat was about to loose his life to save hers.. So whatever Sada told didn't registered in her mind.. She is just too guilt ridden.. She has seen his affords on mimo tracks.. But she has trapped herself badly but certainly not a doormat.. That's a strong expression for her character..

Originally posted by: Shaome

Sai's character is very common in our society... As of now that's how I see it... She is independent but NOT fierce... If she was fierce then she would have dared to walked out off Virat's life after her first accident.. She is definitely not doormat either ..she has her own ways of dealing things..

The thing I agree with you is she lacks a female figure who could guide her to right direction... But unfortunately she is fighting all the battles on her own be it with her inner self or the outer world..

Being raised by a single parent Sai has not seen the dynamics of man and wife...She hasn't learnt to be diplomatic in a joint family...

Same way a lack of guidance she is NOT able to see what Virat is capable of do.. She is only walking on the little ray of hope that Virat didn't have any affairs despite living under a same roof with another woman.. His intentions were only to help an woman who was in an extreme vulnerable state.. If she consummates her marriage with Virat will have another level of expectations.. He is way too selfish.. He needs some one who could cater his whims and fancies.. Sai certainly is not the girl for him

Virat's character isn't maligned but beyond pathetic.. He did put afford even after his mother separated their room.. He was ready to live with her just being her friend...

The minute he got shruti he forgot everything he has promised from his end.. Shruti used to satisfy his ego and agreed to his principles hence he got the kick from her.. But he was not attracted to Shruti anyway because of societal boundaries...Otherwise he would have left the place immediately once shruti confessed her lot non platonic love...He literally was asking Shruti to lie Sada.. It came out as if he would have continued to live with her like this and enjoy her attention..

Sai doesn't bother about CN taunts or abuses that doesn't mean she is hurt any less.. She just doesn't let them get into her head.. Her focus in only on Virat.. How we can normalise a girl is threatened to be thrown into the fire and the wished her death just because she can deal with them or she doesn't bother..Just because she is capable of giving them back doesn't mean she isn't wounded..She is putting up with them for whom and for what?? For Virat ?? Is it worth doing all these?? only time will tell..

Virat is not a bad guy.. He can become a better person only he has to learn it heard way..Maybe sai can bring the best version of him but until he is centre of her attention.. Virat was raised in a patriarchal environment hence that reflects in her upbringing.. He has seen how his mother used to compromise with Ninad and took all his insult probably he expects Sai to be like that to some extent..

Virat has been maligned by makers only not US by showing bakwaas scenes of his with Pakhi & Shruti. How is that our fault? It's makers who has made a scapegoat out of him for plotholes.

Originally posted by: mysticriver

Virat has been maligned by makers only not US by showing bakwaas scenes of his with Pakhi & Shruti. How is that our fault? It's makers who has made a scapegoat out of him for plotholes.

Rono was an a*hole virat is a jerk

I agree that Sai has cornered herself into a tricky spot. Virat ka redemption hua toh great, but if its only a temporary thing before he falters again, Sai will be shattered. She really struggled to endure Shruti kaand, dobaara kaand kiya toh she'll be much worse. Shes trapped herself into a toxic household for the sake of the person she loves.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Part 2...

Since this is continuing to be a discussion where V has been dragged in ... Which is also right because his actions are affecting Sai and vice versa, a few more points I would like to add.

Sai and V are both academically excellent. They have a sense of over achievement. They both have excelled at their respective fields and have been hailed for that. And sweet as children. A typical good boy and good girl.

V is the best cop and Sai has topped her exams.

This to me plays on their minds... Rightly so because they both have been best at what they do. They have not been questioned.

However, because of this, they both fail to see how the other person is right and they are wrong. Both are adamant that way because they have been brought up that way.

Its an ego clash basically.

Add to that the patriarchal mindset V grew up with and the complete freedom Aaba gave to Sai. This is a completely contrasting upbringing that causes their clashes.

I thus believe that if they listened to each other calmly and quietly things work out for them. Like how they planned Harini ka birthday (the example that came on top of my mind... Might be others too)..

The other point I would like to make is V has been purposely made absent from a lot of dramas in the house. And neither has anyone told him.

I am not all in support of the vile language BK PP use for Sai but everyone wondered why V didn't react in Holika Dahan. Should he, when he doesn't know the extent to which they go? Correct me if i am wrong but he doesn't know Pulkit ka kidnapping by gharwale.

Harini ka orphanage kaand is another issue that he is supposed to react. Why? When her own parents are not ready to address it?... Again not saying he shouldn't but how is he responsible for everything that goes wrong. Pulkit doesn't want to file a case and Devi is happy that BK accepted her. Shouldn't they hold a grudge atleast? As parents?

For Sai i can understand, he is at fault when he doesn't take stand for her.... But not for others.

Again... This post was meant for Sai and not V but yes we cannot seperate them.

My only point is... Do not look at it from KD lens because that would mean we are judging everyone with a hint of what is to come. It clouds our judgement. We as audience know a lot of stuff the characters don't. Cut them some slack.

And probably wait for it because i still feel that a showdown will happen and V will sunao CN people to some degree.

Virat is a typical Indian man who holds his wife responsible for everything & let his family go off the hook. What did he do when he got to know about Omi forging documents to throw Pulkit out of Devyani's life? He'd not have done nothing even if he were present or known everything that takes place inside CN or Sai goes through. He himself told her every D-I-L has to adjust after marriage lol

Originally posted by: Moor278

Why i feel Pakhi might be the one who will make V realise?

I feel Sai will confess soon. Privately. That will assure V.

Pakhi is growing desperate. So she will definitely do something.

I had an inkling of fake pregnancy but now I feel like it may be that she will create a scenario of Sai having an affair or something.

To me, it will not work either because Pakhi doesn't know that they have confessed or she still feels she can break them.

Either way, it might help in bringing SaiRat closer.

But more than that, that will be the final straw for V in seeing the true colour of Pakhi. Even in KD i think, rono tells this to emon.

And depending upon who supports her in this, the true faces of the family members will come to fore.

While in all this, it is only Sai who will be standing by him and supporting him. So here without Sai interfering V will realise how she must have felt and her hurt. That may lead to a heart to heart conversation and eventual apology by V.

I just hope that like they are tweaking some bits. V grows positively from here and not go Rono way.

Right after fake pregnancy track Ronno fell for RK's manipulation in Baba's heart attack track & treated Imon badly (Imon was in fire in that too that's another thing Sai doesn't have that fire in her, she's a mellowed down version of Imon shuru se) & Ronno and RK became one unit again briefly. I'm sure they'd copy paste here with their creativity 👻

Originally posted by: xfiles

I have a POV which can be a little different from what others have put forth so far.

I want to keep the Chavans aside for now because as a viewer I have felt that they pretty much add no value to Sairat’s journey. For me, they are just sideys added for drama and nothing else. And Paki ended with MiMo and hence she too is insignificant.

Coming to Sai - the darling of the show. I want to look at it pre kidnapping and post kidnapping.

Till Sada kidnapped her, she had no clue about why Virat was protecting Sruthi. Till he left for mission she was still dillydallying in her head between deal vs asli and whether she should cross over to real. Her thoughts just before moving back to his room gives an insight that If he wants it, she is ready to be his real wife. So that seed was there but did not get the opportunity to make it grow as Sruthi came in.

So all her actions after Mohit’s bhanda phod was a mix of emotions for her, pulling her back and forth.

This is what ACTUALLY went through her head though she might have tried to show differently -

Betrayal - it was not as a “wife” but as a best friend , thats why she removed the mangalsutra that quickly ,

Disappointment - that she did not actually give their relationship a try .

And after divorce when she was on her own, it was not easy for her and she craved his companionship as her husband. The whole dream sequence when she revisited their room confirms that thought process of hers. But then in the morning, she realized that she is alone and painfully accepts that.

This was the Sai before kidnapping. She still had residual feelings for Virat and her heart was still missing him and wished she could go back and change things in the past. She didn’t actually hate him.

And when she heard the truth from Sada it was such a relief for her and she just took a 180 degree almost immediately. All those harbouring feelings came right to the forefront and then there was no looking back for her. In her head, she is guilty for not understanding Virat’s love for her and not giving their relationship a chance. Thats why when the truth was revealed by Sada, it immediately changed her to The Wife Mode. Since then, she has been doing everything just to get back her place in his life. She is absolutely sure that he loves her otherwise he wouldn’t bother to save her risking his life. This is the conviction based on which she has been operating since then. Thats why she doesn’t get angry with his behaviour. She also gets back to CN and their room just with this one mission only. Chavans are not relevant for her now.

Now the new development is her realization which she has accepted whole heartedly. This has given her that extra push to her mission. Her actions might look doormatty , which even I felt many times. But after reading this write up , I am able to see Sai’s perspective. As a wife, I might also go to the extreme to manao my husband if I think he is innocent.

My only issue is Sai tolerating all BS from Chavans - thats not needed at all. When Virat himself gives 2 f****s to them now, why is she trying to manao them? Hopefully they will be shown their aukaad soon.

So is Sai a doormat ? - I think I have to change my earlier opinion. No she is not😃

I am not considering Virat in this at all. And I do not support his actions. But if he truly loves Sai, then with a proper redemption of him apologizing to Sai for the pain he caused her, maybe he deserves a second chance.

I dont even know what I wrote 😆

Virat saving Sai from landmine doesn't prove his love. He'd do that for Shruti Pakhi or any of his family members imo even a civilian for that matter. It was his duty plus Sai was in danger cus of him.

Originally posted by: dairymilkanu

I found even the show is highly dramatic....Sai is a girl which represents the girl who believed to be modern in Indian society today....they can voice out their opinions, can stand for others, will work outside, chill with friends but the end of the day she wants her marriage to work and her husband's love and care

I don't find Sai as doormats....she neither care at CN words...it hurts her but she forgets it...but this is not the case with virat's words and behavior towards her....she can avoid ashwini but not virat....whether it is a man or girl if you are an honest person...you won't give up your relationship easily....both applies to sai and virat....virat never gave up his efforts until he reached hospital bed and now Sai is in same phase....and I never felt virat had any feelings for shruti .....

Both were at mistake from pulkit lunch fiasco....devkit marriage...in first accident both fell in the trap....Sai is not a girl who allow another man in her private room ...virat over reacted...second accident track....Sai couldn't take virat's ignorance and arrogance....while virat couldn't handle her rejection....coming to shruthi track....Virat had believed Sai understands him and virat can't accept the fact that Sai judged him as a person who keeps relationship with woman in secret....and Sai had given importance to a third person's words than trusting virat...later evidence was before her....virat tried to explain her...but things had gone from his hand .... Sai was not at mistake....time played there....Sai is a girl who want relationship to be made...not to be broken....

Shruthi track would be better if they made shruthi as innocent wife of sada and she didn't fall for virat...sai and virat journey is interesting if we don't compare with kd... here story is revolving around leads....sideys had more role in kd....here they are just hindrance...both their well wishers and haters and coming to virat....he is proud of Sai...and the scene where Sai holds virat's hand and takes to stage ....just before he not even given any affection to his brothers or anyone...but followed Sai ...he trust her but sometimes his jealousy and insecurities overpowers him...I found these couples more close to real word couple than any itv couples....they just want each other...they don't want to be saviour of the word....A person who tries to mend a relationship when she have known her husband didn't had physical and emotional relationship with another woman is not a doormat and I never got emotional ema vibes from virat....completely my pov...If Sai was doormat she never called police or created a fear in minds of cn gang or back answered them or had a separate kitchen...all she wants to be a wife of virat for whom she realised love and an honest girl will go for any lenght to be with him if she believes he too loves her

The same girl didn't create scenes when virat was in hospital ...all she did was to save virat while others was doing blame game and just praying to God with zero efforts...even his father doesn't bothered to get medicine when he found the exact location...but went to home... Sai only cares for virat's happiness and virat too....but they resulted in hurting each other....

Coming to Neil...I don't found him convincing but he has less dialogues compared to other mls...day before he didn't even had more than two lines...all he have to emote with eyes that too with pathetic editing makes it worse...and I don't personally like taking screenshot and making memes....funny till a limit but beyond it it is embarrassing

Umm if I'm not wrong didn't Virat brag infront of Shruti in hospital how he'd not stop pursuing Sai? He too gave up just like Sai did. He may have love for her but he didn't put efforts to keep up with Sai or convince & run after her much.

This is why i have been repeatedly saying that don't look at SaiRat from KD perspective.

Sure it's a remake and we already know the story.

But they have changed many things.

The timeline of the track being the most important one. I feel this single most thing has put a new spin. Because they are at early stages of the relationship unlike Rono Emon and therefore the reactions are different.

You are constantly comparing V with Rono and Emon with Sai.

As i said earlier too, we the audience are privy to the information the characters are not. We know how V was with Shruti, Sai doesn't. Sai and we know who kidnapped Pulkit, V doesn't. Just few examples nothing relevant.

We know Shruti 2.0 is about to happen, Sai doesn't and neither V.

So if you look at it from their perspective, considering their frame of mind at that particular point, it doesn't look too illogical.

Sure, in retrospect it will haunt them but right now it doesn't.

And nobody denies that V needs to look back on his actions, really mend his ways and assess his life's priorities.

Bu to do that, he needs to realise it which I personally think he is getting there. I have an inkling that Pakhi's next kaand will really jolt him and he will realise it without Sai's intervention.

The Shruti track is over, confession and redemption hasn't happened. Which will happen.

Maybe we can revisit this conversation a few weeks down the line.