Ghum and patriarchy - Page 7

Originally posted by: hiddenpurple

The makers took a completed story but failed to make it better at places. Even people who dont know about acting and characters will slap their forehead at the timeline of the show. And how do Virat pay for TV, hospital bill, house rent, etc when he had been on leave mostly since 1st anniversary?

I have never seen KD, only know bits and pieces that I have read in this forum. The makers have mostly followed tracks in KD till MiMo, then Shruti track is brought ahead. I had my fingers crossed they will make something good out of it but I am losing hope. They made Shruti a naxalite to justify Virat hiding her identity but at the cost of his IPS image. Then added eyebrow raising scenes that questions his character too.

I still connected with him when he didnt indulge much about his personal life and was talking about Sai proudly to Shruti. First alarm was when he held Shruti's hand at the hospital ward to console her when she was not even in pain. Then after Sai saw him signing as Sahas father he stayed in the room and said to Shruti that Sai has left him, he didnt tell the reason being registering Shruti as Mrs Chavan at hotel, I knew he is gonna put all the blame on Sai and family henceforth. Surely when Shruti tries to reason with him he tells her off. I looked past when Shruti took food to his room when he is sick and 'nagging' at him for not answering her calls because he told her off. But what was that shirt changing scene for? Lets say he forgot to close the door, then shouldnt he ask Shruti to leave before wearing his shirt correctly? Why does he need to prove to any other woman that he can wear his own shirt? Sorry to say, but that scene can look like husband-wife 'nok jhok' to new viewers.

They made Aai, Baba, Samrat, Mohit and Devi so harsh to Virat that I felt they went overboard. And now all the blame is pushed on Sai. First they ruined their bond with Virat and now with Sai. I still remember when Devi-Pulkit truth came out in front of family on previous Shivratri, Sai clearly said to Virat to not have blind faith on anyone after they broke fast. I dont know how they gonna wrap up this track, but if they made Sai go back to Virat without realizing what Virat did wrong then it will be Sai against the whole Chavan family. Sadly, Sairat scenes no longer bring a smile to me now.

In short, the makers are just writing scene for the sake of drama forgetting their own characterizations.

Yup. Actually they have improvised & changed most of scenes of ML & other ladies from KD and showed creativity like in Virakhi phase. In KD Ronno fully supported Imon in RK grinding mirch but in Ghum they created a new scene which ends up Sai losing it. This show had been unjust with Sai from the beginning unlike in KD Imon always came out at top having the upperhand in every sequences except 1 or 2! Sai was always a tonned down version of Imon but she still had her fire intact in her but right now it's a sad thing.

Yes. That hospital hand hold after Sai's celebration episode & added with those dialogues was the most bakwas Virat/Shruti scene by far in the track. What they even intended with that I'm clueless. It was so random. How casually he holds hands of Shruti & Pakhi is alarming. It's so unfair that we never get to see Sai having shady equation with other men like Virat. Actually their last hug scene didn't offend me as much as that hospital scene did. I hate it when Virat initiates physical contact on his part. I've mostly skipped the track so I'm unaware if there's been more scenes like that hospital hand holding scene in her labour room.

Originally posted by: mysticriver

Yup. Actually they have improvised & changed most of scenes of ML & other ladies from KD and showed creativity like in Virakhi phase. In KD Ronno fully supported Imon in RK grinding mirch but in Ghum they created a new scene which ends up Sai losing it. This show had been unjust with Sai from the beginning unlike in KD Imon always came out at top having the upperhand in every sequences except 1 or 2! Sai was always a tonned down version of Imon but she still had her fire intact in her but right now it's a sad thing.

Yes. That hospital hand hold after Sai's celebration episode & added with those dialogues was the most bakwas Virat/Shruti scene by far in the track. What they even intended with that I'm clueless. It was so random. How casually he holds hands of Shruti & Pakhi is alarming. It's so unfair that we never get to see Sai having shady equation with other men like Virat.

Why people would watch it can you tell me.. Forum is holding me as I have not been watching any episodes since kidnapping track..

I like Ayesha that doesn't mean I will put up nonsense uttered by her character..

They killed SaiRat due to ml has issues and killed Sai joshi aswell

What's there to watch..

How would they handle too much negativity.. Better shut shop and do as much as damad ka pyaar to neil they want

Simple change the hero for the sake of romance part .. To keep viewers hoocked bring back that fierce sai

Lots of great comments in this post

1. Agree this show is a joke in terms of their messaging.

2. Yes Sairat currently lack the same level of chemistry they had before, but its not gone entirely, it still has a lot of potential. The lack of prior chemistry is entirely due to ML and makers. because Ayesha imo has been fabulous in the scenes in terms of showing the right amount of emotion. NB is clearly slacking off. We know that because he did give great scenes before. And thats exactly why its so frustrating. Because we have seen more chemistry in Gc days and in many scenes earlier when the character had not even professed his love and now its all thanda or all too forced and fake looking from his side. His job as an actor requires him to emote as if he is in love with Sai so we dont care what his off screen equations are and whats happening in his personal life as long as he can emote effectively. There have been actors who hate each others guts who have pulled off awesome chemistry so NB really has no reason to not perform. And its the makers job to push him to do so. If he doesnt perform it is natural for audience to raise questions on him - simple

3. Its also frustrating that neither do we get blind copy paste, nor do we get a proper good original track. Everytime I think ok- these guys will do good coz they are deviating in a positive way like during MiMo track, they had scope to do it differently in a good way but they ruined it. I thought MiMo track was actually very good. But they ruined it.

4. They make this show a little too negative and toxic. Ok we get that they want to show a conservative family but this family is coming across as pure toxic and as horrible and evil people, not as grey or orthodox people as they want to show. Even the slightly more positive characters of CN like Sam, Mohit, Ashwini and Shivani are all hypocrites and ridiculous.

Ninad was the fist character to get a whitewash and now he is back to being mindless and pointless

BK and PP should be in jail.

If anyone deserves a slap on this show, it is PP. She is so pathetic that violence against this character is absolutely warranted.

Sonali/Omi and Karishma are so pathetic that not only should they be in jail but they also come across as utterly sadistic people. Why are they asked to smile or enjoy people's pain?! its one thing to be the inciting arguments but they seem to enjoy people's pain intermittently. thats so jarring.

Pullu is decently written but actor is just not up to par

Devi is just painfully annoying now. the actor needs to do better.

The problem is that makers forget to humanize these characters or give them an arc.

I always say Sai in every track gets 'punished' for her so called transgressions as per Virat or the family. Whereas Virat gets away with a sobbing sorry. In this track, it's going to be worse because as of now he has not admitted even to himself that he was wrong in hiding things from Sai.

See I actually understand that in- laws will never be the same as parents

I understand that there may be different set of rules for bahu vs son because of inherent bias- biological relationship vs non biologic

I understand that people are very conscious of the whole "parivaar ki izzat" and "log kya kahenge"

But in all this they dont have to show an extreme level of toxicity. Ok they are upset at Sai because she divorced their raja beta and did not trust him but she is also deeply regretful just like them and she never deliberately harmed him. She only acted on the info she had - just like them. She did not invent any of this. So this hating on sai is looking illogical. She did not ask them to cut off ties with Virat. they did that themselves. Infact she told them to accept Shruti/Sahas. So the family being guilty for misjudging their raja beta and being unable to be all practical about the situation because right now they are too emotional over him being at the doorstep of death is NOT enough reason to show them decide to pin all the blame on one person. Sai may never be as loved as Virat because he is their khoon ka rishta but it looks insane that they are blaming Sai for things not in her control especially when she is not even defending herself and is already self blaming. usually we tend to blame when we see a person get too defensive and justify themselves which annoys us. and when we see someone beg and cry and blame everything on themselves, we will console them even when we may actually believe that they are the cause for everything because we feel sorry for them. Here Sai has not been defensive, she has actually accepted and assumed blame for things she is not even responsible for. How is it that only pullu can see Sai's pov and guilt whereas everyone else is anti Sai. Shouldn't Mohit, sam, shivani all relate to Sai. They can all grieve collectively and collectively share the blame also for not trusting Virat. How is Sai responsible for their lack of trust in Virat. Why does this show repeatedly become Sai vs entire CN clan- it looks too toxic. It makes all these characters look insane and inhumane.

They gave free pass to BK for even bigger crimes and barely any regret when she separated her own daughter from Pulkit to the point of Devi losing her sanity and Harini being deprived of a parent and now having a mentally ill mother. But she got away easily

Omi/Ninad got away easily for criminal acts with fake repentance or no repentance

Originally posted by: Nja91

See I actually understand that in- laws will never be the same as parents

I understand that there may be different set of rules for bahu vs son because of inherent bias- biological relationship vs non biologic

I understand that people are very conscious of the whole "parivaar ki izzat" and "log kya kahenge"

But in all this they dont have to show an extreme level of toxicity. Ok they are upset at Sai because she divorced their raja beta and did not trust him but she is also deeply regretful just like them and she never deliberately harmed him. She only acted on the info she had - just like them. She did not invent any of this. So this hating on sai is looking illogical. She did not ask them to cut off ties with Virat. they did that themselves. Infact she told them to accept Shruti/Sahas. So the family being guilty for misjudging their raja beta and being unable to be all practical about the situation because right now they are too emotional over him being at the doorstep of death is NOT enough reason to show them decide to pin all the blame on one person. Sai may never be as loved as Virat because he is their khoon ka rishta but it looks insane that they are blaming Sai for things not in her control especially when she is not even defending herself and is already self blaming. usually we tend to blame when we see a person get too defensive and justify themselves which annoys us. and when we see someone beg and cry and blame everything on themselves, we will console them even when we may actually believe that they are the cause for everything because we feel sorry for them. Here Sai has not been defensive, she has actually accepted and assumed blame for things she is not even responsible for. How is it that only pullu can see Sai's pov and guilt whereas everyone else is anti Sai. Shouldn't Mohit, sam, shivani all relate to Sai. They can all grieve collectively and collectively share the blame also for not trusting Virat. How is Sai responsible for their lack of trust in Virat. Why does this show repeatedly become Sai vs entire CN clan- it looks too toxic. It makes all these characters look insane and inhumane.

They gave free pass to BK for even bigger crimes and barely any regret when she separated her own daughter from Pulkit to the point of Devi losing her sanity and Harini being deprived of a parent and now having a mentally ill mother. But she got away easily

Omi/Ninad got away easily for criminal acts with fake repentance or no repentance

We like it or not, but Sai has no support and that's her weak point, also her blaming herself and feeling bad makes it easier for others to take advantage and just put everything on her alone because they are cowards to accept their mistakes.

Sai is alone and weak, while BK has power, Omi, ninad are elders, khoon ka rishta hai unse, so they cannot be handled harshly. Patralekha gets away lusting her BIL because one, she was BK's choice, second, her husband loves her and stands up for her, devar covers up for her, and she has her maternal family support, while Sai lacks on everything here and she is way too honest, that kind of works against her while dealing with these manipulative people.

Originally posted by: mysticriver

Yup. Actually they have improvised & changed most of scenes of ML & other ladies from KD and showed creativity like in Virakhi phase. In KD Ronno fully supported Imon in RK grinding mirch but in Ghum they created a new scene which ends up Sai losing it. This show had been unjust with Sai from the beginning unlike in KD Imon always came out at top having the upperhand in every sequences except 1 or 2! Sai was always a tonned down version of Imon but she still had her fire intact in her but right now it's a sad thing.

Yes. That hospital hand hold after Sai's celebration episode & added with those dialogues was the most bakwas Virat/Shruti scene by far in the track. What they even intended with that I'm clueless. It was so random. How casually he holds hands of Shruti & Pakhi is alarming. It's so unfair that we never get to see Sai having shady equation with other men like Virat. Actually their last hug scene didn't offend me as much as that hospital scene did. I hate it when Virat initiates physical contact on his part. I've mostly skipped the track so I'm unaware if there's been more scenes like that hospital hand holding scene in her labour room.

Everyone have flaws but there are things that really bothers me with Virat. One of them is his ever changing personal boundary with other woman. His scene with Patralekha and Shruti look 'cringe' because we are aware of their 'feeling'. After some point Virat too knows, but seem ignorant because for him his intention is not wrong.

I would really like to ask this question.. If you are harassed at work by colleague of opposite gender and you have warned them to stay away but the harasser is still persistent, what would you do?

We dont see 'cringe' scene of Sai because we are clear of her equation with other men. She hugged Samrat and Mohit as siblings. Sai even danced and hugged Ajinkya in front of the whole family. With Amay, she slapped him off when he tried to touch her even when she is acting to be interested in him.

Originally posted by: hiddenpurple

Everyone have flaws but there are things that really bothers me with Virat. One of them is his ever changing personal boundary with other woman. His scene with Patralekha and Shruti look 'cringe' because we are aware of their 'feeling'. After some point Virat too knows, but seem ignorant because for him his intention is not wrong.

I would really like to ask this question.. If you are harassed at work by colleague of opposite gender and you have warned them to stay away but the harasser is still persistent, what would you do?

We dont see 'cringe' scene of Sai because we are clear of her equation with other men. She hugged Samrat and Mohit as siblings. Sai even danced and hugged Ajinkya in front of the whole family. With Amay, she slapped him off when he tried to touch her even when she is acting to be interested in him.

No. But in the hospital scenes nothing was shown from her side & Virat had no idea either until very recently yet we didn't get good vibes from it. Like you stated it's the vibes makers conveyed through those scenes. For god's mercy they didn't show cringe scene b/w Virat & Shruti after he got to know what she feels for him. Sometimes I feel his personal boundary keeps changing based on his current equation with Sai. When Sai ACTUALLY kicked him out of her life fr especially after divorce he realised things went too far & got a jolt, but the moment Sai comes back to him he gets back to his usual self. It's so infuriating to watch. They covered Ronno quite well in this area. Makers went too overboard with Virat to rile people up. He was shooing Shruti away even when he was sick but let her hug him like that? What a weird writing.

Originally posted by: Nja91

See I actually understand that in- laws will never be the same as parents

I understand that there may be different set of rules for bahu vs son because of inherent bias- biological relationship vs non biologic

I understand that people are very conscious of the whole "parivaar ki izzat" and "log kya kahenge"

But in all this they dont have to show an extreme level of toxicity. Ok they are upset at Sai because she divorced their raja beta and did not trust him but she is also deeply regretful just like them and she never deliberately harmed him. She only acted on the info she had - just like them. She did not invent any of this. So this hating on sai is looking illogical. She did not ask them to cut off ties with Virat. they did that themselves. Infact she told them to accept Shruti/Sahas. So the family being guilty for misjudging their raja beta and being unable to be all practical about the situation because right now they are too emotional over him being at the doorstep of death is NOT enough reason to show them decide to pin all the blame on one person. Sai may never be as loved as Virat because he is their khoon ka rishta but it looks insane that they are blaming Sai for things not in her control especially when she is not even defending herself and is already self blaming. usually we tend to blame when we see a person get too defensive and justify themselves which annoys us. and when we see someone beg and cry and blame everything on themselves, we will console them even when we may actually believe that they are the cause for everything because we feel sorry for them. Here Sai has not been defensive, she has actually accepted and assumed blame for things she is not even responsible for. How is it that only pullu can see Sai's pov and guilt whereas everyone else is anti Sai. Shouldn't Mohit, sam, shivani all relate to Sai. They can all grieve collectively and collectively share the blame also for not trusting Virat. How is Sai responsible for their lack of trust in Virat. Why does this show repeatedly become Sai vs entire CN clan- it looks too toxic. It makes all these characters look insane and inhumane.

They gave free pass to BK for even bigger crimes and barely any regret when she separated her own daughter from Pulkit to the point of Devi losing her sanity and Harini being deprived of a parent and now having a mentally ill mother. But she got away easily

Omi/Ninad got away easily for criminal acts with fake repentance or no repentance

Atleast before she had support

Be it Aai,Bua ,Sammy or some other

This time she is all alone .

She repeatedly use to tell that she is alone .All her relationship are coz of V & that has come true .

It's sad.A lonely person has lost her family again !

Originally posted by: mysticriver

No. But in the hospital scenes nothing was shown from her side & Virat had no idea either until very recently yet we didn't get good vibes from it. Like you stated it's the vibes makers conveyed through those scenes. For god's mercy they didn't show cringe scene b/w Virat & Shruti after he got to know what she feels for him. Sometimes I feel his personal boundary keeps changing based on his current equation with Sai. When Sai ACTUALLY kicked him out of her life fr especially after divorce he realised things went too far & got a jolt, but the moment Sai comes back to him he gets back to his usual self. It's so infuriating to watch. They covered Ronno quite well in this area. Makers went too overboard with Virat to rile people up. He was shooing Shruti away even when he was sick but let her hug him like that? What a weird writing.

Totally agree with the bolded part. He was straight to the point to Patralekha after Sai refused to return with him from GC and after her 1st accident. But after Sai returned he ignores or is stern with her for a while and then changes to 'friend' again when he is not in a good term with Sai. Like when Patralekha 'comforted' him after Sai left CN while touching his hand but when she started her 'bakwaas' he was reminded of who she really is.