Discussion thread - Sai’s feelings for Virat - Page 3

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

Abhi mera pov baki hain nitu , I will give in a while😆

laksh

I am yet to come across some one who studied Sai better than you. Loved your awesome analysis of Sai and her feelings for Virat. Thanks for such a wonderful answer about Sai’s mindset since GC days. I always liked to read your answers and this is a gem of sorts coming from you. Awesome write up.

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

We all had a good time discussing about Virat and his relationship status with Pakhi , his family members and Sai but this post is for Sai . This is just a discussion and I hope we will have a healthy one where we get to read different perspectives.

Off late , I feel Virat’s presence and absence doesn’t matter to her and she isn’t attached to him as much as he is to her. I don’t know if I am unable to understand her emotions but I believe Virat is the one who gives more in this relationship . I understand her reservations because of Pakhi’s presence but can we call it love if they come with conditions . If this condition is met I will love you back . I can understand if she is not confessing but here I feel there is no love or attachment from her side .

She does things for his Aai and Tai only because she loves them not because they are associated with them . I think she bears all the CN drama because she thinks it’s temporary and sometimes we don’t want to get out of our comfort zone even if the environment is toxic . Moving out of CN will make her life difficult . I am being very practical here and this happens in most divorce cases where a spouse hesitates to divorce due to the fear of losing the security in life . It happens when in professional life where we stick to the job though it’s toxic because moving out requires lot of energy, time and the fear of future .

This is sooooo interesting, Nitu... I could never find that last topic you made about apology and I was busy on those two days and could not reply... but today, I have to:

I disagree that Sai feels no attachment for Virat. I believe she's absolutely aware about the fact that if there is one person who will always be there for her it is Virat. His absence definitely matters to her So far her affection for him has been due to her first feeling of "immense gratitude" but it has slowly changed through their interactions and his efforts (yes, his efforts) from just gratitude to the intimacy they share. I think we'll have to let this particular track (and week) slide because as some of us commented yesterday as well, maybe they are not able to bring Virat on a call due to the fact that it would be difficult to explain why he was kept in the dark about the developments and so it appears like she's not thinking of him. Morever, she's definitely in a chaos in her mind. But if his absence never did not matter to her, she would not have stepped out at 2.30am after finding out his whereabouts because he was unreachable. The only other person she's ever done that for was Aaba.

So far, Virat has been the "giver" of material things but with her scholarship coming in, that difference will soon fade. I am still not sure if it is a monthly scholarship like many friends here have said but if it is then she won't be entirely dependent on him for a lot of things. However, in terms of intangible things that they have given each other, Sai has also given him a lot that cannot be measured -- for once, space where he can be completely himself, without any unreal, suffocating expectations. She brings life into his days with her antics (when they are not fighting). She has actually instilled some kind of spirit in him (which he has not yet acknowledged) to challenge what he has accepted for many years of his life -- to finally want to have something to himself and he's willing to fight for it. She is the one who actually identifies the child inside him and does not look at him with a set of eyes that judge his actions.

I don't know what kind of conditions you are talking about but at the moment, her relationship with him is unconditional because 'unconditional love' is a myth in the context of spousal relationship -- they are not there yet. Between spouses, there is always the expectation of fulfilling the duties that have been promised to one another in the vows -- and that is actually a condition. Yes, it should be "unconditional" from the aspect of material things but otherwise "together in good times and bad, in sickness and health and until death do us apart" are all parts of vows that create "conditons". So, for Sai and Virat, it is easy to be unconditional at the moment because of their deal. Yes, she will not verbalise her affection for him unless she has found the answers to the questions she asked.

Let me put it this way from Sai's perspective: "Wouldn't it create a kind of burden (condition) on him if I were to tell him that I want my rights as his wife because I know that we have moved ahead from where we started and that I have begun falling for his charm? Why should I create that kind of dilemma for him when he does not answer my straight questions... He told me he loves Didi... I feel he still does because she has this kind of special place in his heart that I don't. When he has to choose between Didi and me, he would choose Didi. He never tells her anything when she's putting me down but the moment I want to defend myself he shuts me up because she is the special one and I am the burden of the zimmedari my father handed over to him. Even if I fall in love with him, how can I tell him that? How many times did he tell me that we can't think of this as real? "

Yet, just like his "eklauta beta" will go with "eklauti bahu" comment instead of spashthly saying that "Pati will go with Patni", she also said "You are my lucky charm". That expression conveys what she feels -- the feeling of gratitude slowly changing into a deeper sense of attachment, dependence and belonging. A lucky charm is something(someone) you never want to lose, share or give away. It is someone who you cherish and that person is yours. Someone is called so because that person is too close to your heart that whenever you feel you will be in trouble, the presence of this person around you makes you feel confident and safe... Calling him a lucky charm is not about blind faith in that concept but because he has actually been a reason to keep the positivity alive in her. I would rather say, she believes it was her Aaba, who left her a lucky charm to always protect her from harm in the form of Virat.

And not to mention that she trusts him more than anyone else in the world. In many ways, she has literally handed herself over to him if you see -- that kind of trust, she would have in him only because he has done something to earn it and she knows he will honour it. I have said this before, it is not easy for any woman to share a bed with a man and that she agreed in under one minute when he assured her that she would be 'safe', speaks a lot. A lot. Compare that to the trust that his "true love" had in his intentions...

Now, but expressing that love for Virat the way she does with Aai or Devyani is not going to be easy. The deal and presence of the forever hounding ex-lover in the same house is only one part -- and it is a big part but is also because we need to remember that she wasn't looking for this marriage or relationship to begin with. It was a turning point in her life after a tragedy and a near unwillingness to live anymore. Yes, she was possessive about his attention in an inexplicable way right from Gadchiroli days but she was definitely not daydreaming about him... She expresses her love for Aai and Devi because it is easier and does not involve complete surrender to the other person -- she is very aware what marriage is. To be able to express that feeling for him, she needs to be sure he also wants it that way... The barriers that have come along with the relationship are going to make it extremely difficult for someone like Sai Joshi to first acknowledge that she is in "love" -- remember that slap she gave herself, her immediate denial when she found herself thinking about him and her sadness in the moment that she was teased by Devyani about how much he loves her. She could only recall his "care" and she's still unsure if his care and playfulness with her is just out of his feeling of "zimmedari of five years" or whether he really means what his actions are telling her -- his actions are loud and she is not dumb. But she is withholding the feeling -- when it gets too difficult to resist, she either goes silent or snubs in a way that puts him off: it is her defence mechanism and not her indifference or deliberate insult.

But it took her a minute to decide to wear the Alta although she did not believe in the concept either, but just because Ashwini said that "suhaag" ko kuch ho sakta hai... The fact that she is overall "okay" with the 'special' presence of Vahini in his life (it does hurt her, which is because she is attached to him) is a sign of her feeling being unconditional.

She has not been able to name this affection she feels for him -- and even if she wants to she can't because she does not know if he wants to go beyond the "zimmedari" word and he has said parivaar=zimmedari and even Vahini is parivaar ka hissa so is she more important that the word "parivaar", which is what spouses are supposed to be.

Their recent interaction until the Devyani issue went out of hand was just beginning to take them to the next level of self-acknowledgement but it will take a bit longer. I think both Sai and Virat fear rejection from one another. While Virat wants her to take his actions as his "changed feelings", she will wait until she hears from him because she's a straight forward person, who wants to hear things clearly instead of assuming what he is actually feeling. I don't disagree with her. He is the one who placed that barrier in explicit words and he needs to remove it in as many words in order to avoid any kind of misconception and miscommunication. There are no two ways about it, given the fact that the woman who he made that promise to is always barging into their room and questioning the intention of the 'wife' he wants to cherish forever...

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

This is sooooo interesting, Nitu... I could never find that last topic you made about apology and I was busy on those two days and could not reply... but today, I have to:

I always find discussing Sai more interesting because we seldom discuss about her feelings and she is as layered as Virat if not more . Among the two , I can understand Virat more than Sai though he appears to be the most confusing and complicated among the two.

I disagree that Sai feels no attachment for Virat. I believe she's absolutely aware about the fact that if there is one person who will always be there for her it is Virat. His absence definitely matters to her So far her affection for him has been due to her first feeling of "immense gratitude" but it has slowly changed through their interactions and his efforts (yes, his efforts) from just gratitude to the intimacy they share. I think we'll have to let this particular track (and week) slide because as some of us commented yesterday as well, maybe they are not able to bring Virat on a call due to the fact that it would be difficult to explain why he was kept in the dark about the developments and so it appears like she's not thinking of him. Morever, she's definitely in a chaos in her mind. But if his absence never did not matter to her, she would not have stepped out at 2.30am after finding out his whereabouts because he was unreachable. The only other person she's ever done that for was Aaba.

When I say his absence doesn’t matter , I wasn’t talking about this track because I understand the limitations of this track . They might not show her missing him much because the upcoming track is full of that . When we are attached to someone we always worry about our actions hurting them or losing them but I have never seen that from her side . If I take an example of Amay’s case or Pulkit lunch drama , she didn’t think about Virat’s feeling or the fear of hurting him when she overlooked his advise and opinion . Like I explained in my other post , teaching Amay was not necessary and she didn’t really achieve anything other than creating the tamasha in-front of the neighbors . Not once did she think her decisions might hurt Virat . During Pulkit lunch drama , something similar happened. I understand she was hurt the previous night but she didn’t once think it would be humiliating for Virat when she fails to put united front in presence of CN members .Our biggest strength can be our biggest weakness as well as we fear losing it . I don’t see that in Sai . She takes him for granted .

This is another reason why I feel she uses “Mera Pati” only when she is in good terms with him and it favors her in the argument otherwise it’s mostly “who are you to question me “ . I only remember Virat saying “Kaun Ho tum” once infront of Shivani but not infront of Kaku gang .

So far, Virat has been the "giver" of material things but with her scholarship coming in, that difference will soon fade. I am still not sure if it is a monthly scholarship like many friends here have said but if it is then she won't be entirely dependent on him for a lot of things. However, in terms of intangible things that they have given each other, Sai has also given him a lot that cannot be measured -- for once, space where he can be completely himself, without any unreal, suffocating expectations. She brings life into his days with her antics (when they are not fighting). She has actually instilled some kind of spirit in him (which he has not yet acknowledged) to challenge what he has accepted for many years of his life -- to finally want to have something to himself and he's willing to fight for it. She is the one who actually identifies the child inside him and does not look at him with a set of eyes that judge his actions.

In case of money , the timing matters . She got the scholarship very late and if Virat hasn’t pitched in at the right time then she might have lost a year . It’s hard for me to believe that a student gets 75k per month from government unless it was sponsored by private organization . Scholarship usually cover the fee and hostel charges . Even the students who completed MBBS won’t be paid so much in their first years .Even if we believe she gets it every month , what’s more valuable is someone being there with her to celebrate the success , helping her with the paper work . I don’t think anyone other than Virat could have done it .

I don't know what kind of conditions you are talking about but at the moment, her relationship with him is unconditional because 'unconditional love' is a myth in the context of spousal relationship -- they are not there yet. Between spouses, there is always the expectation of fulfilling the duties that have been promised to one another in the vows -- and that is actually a condition. Yes, it should be "unconditional" from the aspect of material things but otherwise "together in good times and bad, in sickness and health and until death do us apart" are all parts of vows that create "conditons". So, for Sai and Virat, it is easy to be unconditional at the moment because of their deal. Yes, she will not verbalise her affection for him unless she has found the answers to the questions she asked.

I was talking about this ... she can’t fall in love unless she knows he will reciprocate.

Let me put it this way from Sai's perspective: "Wouldn't it create a kind of burden (condition) on him if I were to tell him that I want my rights as his wife because I know that we have moved ahead from where we started and that I have begun falling for his charm? Why should I create that kind of dilemma for him when he does not answer my straight questions... He told me he loves Didi... I feel he still does because she has this kind of special place in his heart that I don't. When he has to choose between Didi and me, he would choose Didi. He never tells her anything when she's putting me down but the moment I want to defend myself he shuts me up because she is the special one and I am the burden of the zimmedari my father handed over to him. Even if I fall in love with him, how can I tell him that? How many times did he tell me that we can't think of this as real? "

This makes sense .

Yet, just like his "eklauta beta" will go with "eklauti bahu" comment instead of spashthly saying that "Pati will go with Patni", she also said "You are my lucky charm". That expression conveys what she feels -- the feeling of gratitude slowly changing into a deeper sense of attachment, dependence and belonging. A lucky charm is something(someone) you never want to lose, share or give away. It is someone who you cherish and that person is yours. Someone is called so because that person is too close to your heart that whenever you feel you will be in trouble, the presence of this person around you makes you feel confident and safe... Calling him a lucky charm is not about blind faith in that concept but because he has actually been a reason to keep the positivity alive in her. I would rather say, she believes it was her Aaba, who left her a lucky charm to always protect her from harm in the form of Virat.

I love the way you described the lucky charm part .

And not to mention that she trusts him more than anyone else in the world. In many ways, she has literally handed herself over to him if you see -- that kind of trust, she would have in him only because he has done something to earn it and she knows he will honour it. I have said this before, it is not easy for any woman to share a bed with a man and that she agreed in under one minute when he assured her that she would be 'safe', speaks a lot. A lot. Compare that to the trust that his "true love" had in his intentions...

This is a interesting topic in itself .. I wonder if it’s true in Sai’s case. He wasn’t any man but her legally wedded husband . For all the practical purposes , they couldn’t have slept separately for 5 yrs on a sofa or in some uncomfortable position . They would not have got separate rooms in CN either . I thought it was a practical decision without much choice from both . Of course , she trusted him enough to marry and stay with him for 5 yrs .

Now, but expressing that love for Virat the way she does with Aai or Devyani is not going to be easy. The deal and presence of the forever hounding ex-lover in the same house is only one part -- and it is a big part but is also because we need to remember that she wasn't looking for this marriage or relationship to begin with. It was a turning point in her life after a tragedy and a near unwillingness to live anymore. Yes, she was possessive about his attention in an inexplicable way right from Gadchiroli days but she was definitely not daydreaming about him... She expresses her love for Aai and Devi because it is easier and does not involve complete surrender to the other person -- she is very aware what marriage is. To be able to express that feeling for him, she needs to be sure he also wants it that way... The barriers that have come along with the relationship are going to make it extremely difficult for someone like Sai Joshi to first acknowledge that she is in "love" -- remember that slap she gave herself, her immediate denial when she found herself thinking about him and her sadness in the moment that she was teased by Devyani about how much he loves her. She could only recall his "care" and she's still unsure if his care and playfulness with her is just out of his feeling of "zimmedari of five years" or whether he really means what his actions are telling her -- his actions are loud and she is not dumb. But she is withholding the feeling -- when it gets too difficult to resist, she either goes silent or snubs in a way that puts him off: it is her defence mechanism and not her indifference or deliberate insult.

But it took her a minute to decide to wear the Alta although she did not believe in the concept either, but just because Ashwini said that "suhaag" ko kuch ho sakta hai... The fact that she is overall "okay" with the 'special' presence of Vahini in his life (it does hurt her, which is because she is attached to him) is a sign of her feeling being unconditional.

She has not been able to name this affection she feels for him -- and even if she wants to she can't because she does not know if he wants to go beyond the "zimmedari" word and he has said parivaar=zimmedari and even Vahini is parivaar ka hissa so is she more important that the word "parivaar", which is what spouses are supposed to be.

Their recent interaction until the Devyani issue went out of hand was just beginning to take them to the next level of self-acknowledgement but it will take a bit longer. I think both Sai and Virat fear rejection from one another. While Virat wants her to take his actions as his "changed feelings", she will wait until she hears from him because she's a straight forward person, who wants to hear things clearly instead of assuming what he is actually feeling. I don't disagree with her. He is the one who placed that barrier in explicit words and he needs to remove it in as many words in order to avoid any kind of misconception and miscommunication. There are no two ways about it, given the fact that the woman who he made that promise to is always barging into their room and questioning the intention of the 'wife' he wants to cherish forever...

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

Wow ... you have made some really good points . I have started seeing Sai is a different light after reading everyone’s perspective . Even though she is the straight forward out of all , I find it very difficult to understand her emotions. On the surface , she appears as extremely arrogant, rebellious and that takes away the focus from her other good qualities.

Completely agree, it takes away the focus from her good qualities. It happens even around us. People who are loud or short tempered get mistaken. She is not just short tempered but also crosses her limits many a times. It would then definitely be very difficult to understand her.

Many times we have seen Sai doesn’t take Virat’s opinion into consideration . Like once Virat said she doesn’t bother to think what would be the impact on him when she makes certain decisions . I am not saying as a wife she needs to worry about his feelings but she never thought how difficult it is for a person who is defending her every time.

@bold I doubt if she even understands it 😂😂. Don't mean to joke, it is plain ignorance, inability to understand how her behavior or how her decisions can even bother Virat or cause trouble to him, when all she is doing is only standing up for right.

She strongly believes that she would never harm anyone and whatever she does is only for the good of someone. Her belief in her value system blinds her own actions many times and hence ignores the path she takes, the process she follows.

Virat's worries are beyond her comprehension.

For example

It is like telling

"Dekh lenge Virat sir, ismein itna kya sochna"

Or

"Kuch galat toh nahi kar rahi hoon toh aap inta chinta kyun kar rahe hain"

Or

"Mein toh sahi ka hi saath de rahi hoon na, toh aap mujhme galti kyun nikal rahe hain, aapko tha sahi maayne mein mera saath dena chahiye aur aap mujhe hi suna rahe hain, chup kara rahe hain"

None of these above dialogues were used or may be used in similar lines. I brought this up to tell what kind of attitude she carries when it comes to her actions. Her raised voice, her inability to withdraw from a conflict or attitude of jumping the gun are not something she sees as a concern or something she needs to work on.

Her determination to do something takes away her focus from how she does that.

This is exactly where she is lacking. So it is not that she doesn't bother, she has no clue if she even has to change her ways 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Also, about taking Virat's opinion into consideration

Apart from the above said reasons I think it has also got to do with the independence she had at her Dad's place.

She was given the liberty to take decisions, it probably was also got to do with the fact that he was at work and she was alone at home and he couldn't always interfere or keep a check on her actions. Usha Maushi can only do so much.

As much as honest and 'insaaf pasand' her Dad was, he loved her a lot and had let go of many mistakes that she committed.

It sometimes happens with single parents, he was a father to her, Sai was a daughter who lost her mother and so he wanted her to felt loved and in that process had failed to be stern with her, failed to ask her to own up her actions or words, instead he chose to apologise on her behalf.

And once she grew up, the hard times or the harassment that she faced due to Jagtap, only made him empathize with her. Also, with just the two of them, they would have hardly had anything like how they have in CN. But his reaction or inaction when Sai was misbehaving with Virat was absolutely not right and it only might seem to her like, Aaba would have corrected me if I am wrong and it had indirectly encouraged her to continue to carry on with that attitude.

Just like when a child who grows up in an abusive environment turns rebellious, children who are pampered a lot also turn into one. Not all though. I am sorry if I had offended anyone by saying this, this is the general notion and also something we have noticed.

I will be bashed for this, this is just my observation. I could be wrong too. 🤭🤭

She has many good qualities, so with time, and by staying with Aai and Virat, will be good if she learns a few things.

Virat, on the other hand, grew up in CN and we know how they all are, chauvinistic, old fashioned, prejudiced, mean. He has seen his Dad and also his Mom. We all know and can clearly see, the kids were raised by Ashwini Aai.

Aai is a 'murti' of patience. I don't like a few things she does, but she is the most lovable person in that family. How can we expect one person be right in everything, it isn't fair, so my above statement can never stop me from loving her 😂😂. She is the best and the most adorable of all.

Her values, behavior, attitude, character are all intact. On top it all a very good mother who imparted good morals and virtues in Virat.

The reason why Virat is the way he is is because of his Aai and the house he grew up in, but even if not for CN, she would never let him raise voice and talk to elders disrespectfully.

Though throwing tantrums would have been out of question in CN, being the son of the family, don't think his Dad or Kaku would have had issues, but it is Aai who had kept his actions, words and behavior in check.

His patience, the knack to deal with people, magnanimity, goodness has come from Aai.

Expectations from parents and family also will dictate a child's behavior. The expectations in CN has always been high and we can see that.

But it is the same environment who have made the kids in the house not to voice out their opinions, made them to withdraw from a confrontation even when one is right, accept defeat, ignore mistakes or atrocities, not point out someone's mistakes.

Sai and Virat grew up in contrasting families but both of them have good morals. Both believe in justice and whatever above said qualities Virat lacked, he started to develop them seeing how bold Sai was, how she doesn't care what others think but is only interested in setting things right, she can't turn blind when something goes wrong, will never compromise on her self respect, instead has Ego 😂😂 and will never back off from any argument.

During Amay case , there was no need for her to trap Amay and despite Virat’s repeated request she doesn’t think even for a second how all this would effect him . She doesn’t pause to think she might be hurting the person for something which is not important. Honestly, i saw the whole trapping Amay as a tamasha she created in public . It’s equivalent to washing dirty linen in public . She never thought how she gave neighbors an opportunity to gossip about Shivani . It’s like my way it highway . These were some which made me feel she doesn’t care about him .

She was just being stubborn, had deciced to do something and thought that she is going to get justice for Bua and so nothing else mattered. Her way to address the issue wasn't a matter of concern for her. Also, it has got to do with many of the points that I have covered above.

Also, if you try and remember the scene where she wanted to save Pari when she was in safe house and Vittal had laid a trap for her, the way she started to try to escape to save the girl without thinking of the consequences, don't mean she didn't care just about her life, she also didn't care why she was locked up in the safe house, couldn't think straight, that's how she is and she behaves.

Virat wasn't her husband back then and it came out only as if he had a hard time convincing her. Back then she kept quiet or complied with him because she would be interfering with his duty if she went against him and had gone to save Pari.

But the same cannot be said in the case during Amay's issue.

She wasn't obliged to follow his orders since it wasn't an official thing and so she had made up her mind that only her plan was going to prove Bua's innocence in front of Amay's wife and Virat's family.

She was shocked beyond words as how they had doubted their own daugher, how they didn't stand up for her but instead believed those other women and accused Bua of infidelity.

She was raised by a loving Dad and this was not something she could understand, not something she thought someone could ever do, to their own daughter. She doesn't have much of exposure.

But as you said, she was wrong. Whatever character trait I have pointed out, doesn't mean that she was right.

Her approach was wrong and neither Virat nor Sai were in the right frame of mind to turn into one team and handle the issue.

He was mad at her, had lost it probably for the very first time and she couldn't handle that. She has never ever seen him to be so harsh or stern or loud with her, but I thing after that incident she became aware that he can also grow angry or mad, he also can shout and fight with her. But ultimately, a task that both could have handled in a better way, went out of hands.

Though one could argue, he alone was enough for the task, I don't know why I feel he wouldn't have been able to prove Bua's innocence to his family. May be they should have found a way for that too without her getting involved in it

Also, about creating tamasha, I didn't find it that bad. I hated when she brought his past in front of the family, this was still okay considering the fact that when those women came walking to CN and damaged Bua's image, it is okay if her image gets cleared in front of everyone. It just happened that way I think, because Sai probably didn't expect the neighbours to show up.

These were some which made me feel she doesn’t care about him

It is not that she didn't care about him, it is just that she never thought it would be an issue for him.

She does it because, the Virat she thinks she knows, would not have issues with it and is not a person who would worry about his image but instead would only be concerned about his Bua.

She has faith in him that such things wouldn't matter to him. To tell the truth, the tamasha only bothered the gang and didn't bother Aai or Virat.

We came to know later and I was surprised too, she had rightly guessed that the reason behind Virat's anger was because she flirted with Amay.

Also we can see another contrast in behavior between Sai and Pakhi. Sai stood for what is right, fought for Bua, brought her justice when Pakhi was siding with the elders of the family who were being unreasonable with Bua.

It is not this contrast I am talking about, this same Pakhi who failed to stand by Bua was more worried about tamasha being created whereas Sai stood by Bua and got her justice too and didn't care about the tamasha.

I don't think Virat had any issues with it. He felt proud of her though he didn't approve of her plan and actions which were really stupid. Pakhi realised that Virat wasn't happy with her and became impressed with Sai.

His concern or issue with Sai that day was the way she was fighting back with the family and her raised voice and tone towards his Dad. Also, I will owe to his foul mood, he couldn't believe she would flirt with anyone like that even if it was a fake one. He probably saw a woman in her that he has never seen in her, not in terms of apperance but her thoughts.

I totally agree with you on her feelings during GC . I sensed it too and I felt it was more like a infatuation or a crush kind of feeling . It’s common for an 18 yr old to feel. Mostly , girls have such feelings for their professors . Just like her friends, she had a crush on him but she never admitted it given the circumstances . He was a young handsome and intelligent officer with so much power at a young age so it was natural to feel that way

@bold I beg to differ. It was not these that attracted her, he was her saviour. He saved her from Jagtap and her Aaba's life from that sniper, technically Jagtap ofcourse. I think she was flattered with his kind nature like getting her food, mosquito ointment, buying medicines for her Aaba though she never admitted it.

And to top it all, her Dad used to be in all praise of him all the time. She has heard lot of good things about Virat and her Aaba's faith and confidence in Virat made him more attractive. Looks like she enjoyed and liked fighting with him, her tiffs with him, giving attitude to him and also his responses to all of these.

Really doubt if a person like Sai would go by looks.

I am sorry if you didn't mean that. No offense.

I am really very sorry, I am replying in this as well 🙈. I hope you don't mind.

I understand why you feel the way you are feeling about Sai. My points are not to defend her, they are just my observations and my understanding of her character. I just thought I can share it here.

As you have said in the other post of notaquitter, we almost always gets posts only on Virat and you gave us a very nice platform to share about Sai, her good and bad.

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

laksh

I am yet to come across some one who studied Sai better than you. Loved your awesome analysis of Sai and her feelings for Virat. Thanks for such a wonderful answer about Sai’s mindset since GC days. I always liked to read your answers and this is a gem of sorts coming from you. Awesome write up.

Thank you, sorry I was typing in another reply in this same post and couldn't reply to your mesaage.

Thanks a lot. I am happy to know that you like my answers, I had no clue 😳 that someone likes my replies 😊

Sometimes when your mind catches something that stays for long. She definitely cares for him but her mind is not ready to accept it. And so far nothing like that happened which could have made her question about her feelings and what he means to her. That's why people wanted separation and now that Virat is not there people are expecting her to miss him. She is kind of weak in relationship. The only person she loved was her Aaba and Usha Maushi, Aayi, Tai and Shivani they are just some people she is fond of. She married a man she didn't like and he told her not to expect anything. So the only times we see her emotions is when Virat is with Pakhi. She doesn't want to share him with anyone else without even being romantically involved with him. I am eagerly waiting to see when she will actually feel like "he is the man my heart beats for" instead of "He is just my deal wala husband".

This is so off topic but will put in my two cents,

Leets think of it this way, what makes Virat fall for Sai ?

She keeps fighting with him. She is loud, disrespects family. Doesn’t appreciate him and doesn’t give as much as she gets. Rude ( paraphrasing some opinions about her ), impulsive and thoughtless towards his feelings etc

But why does Virat fall for her or like her or stand by her?

He knows her and likes her with her flaws. He likes her strong sense of justice, he likes her the way she is. ( I could go on and on ). He tells Pakhi that, she might say things which are rude but her intentions are always right. Virat understands her better than she understands him sometimes ( cos she doesn’t serve hi. Jalebis like he does 😛)That’s why they are able to resolve their fights however big it is

I would say that both of them are flawed. If as viewers we are going to hold on to one of her flaws and view her through it, we will never get to see or miss the other nuances of her character.

if I were to judge Virat solely based on the handholding and denying food, I would never watch the show. Virat flaws does not define who he is and neither does Sai’s.

that’s why I keep saying and many in the forum do that they are beautifully flawed and are their BST together. Who likes the other more and vice versa, depends on where they start from. There is a lot of growth needed for both our leads.

This is the first show where I don’t have strong opinions on just the FL or ML. I love them for it.

Laksh , I am in love with your analysis . You have turned this discussion into a very interesting one . I agree with Lakshmi, that you understand Sai really well .

I am quoting few of your post and sharing my perceptive in blue

@bold I doubt if she even understands it 😂😂. Don't mean to joke, it is plain ignorance, inability to understand how her behavior or how her decisions can even bother Virat or cause trouble to him, when all she is doing is only standing up for right.

She strongly believes that she would never harm anyone and whatever she does is only for the good of someone. Her belief in her value system blinds her own actions many times and hence ignores the path she takes, the process she follows.

Virat's worries are beyond her comprehension.

For example

It is like telling

"Dekh lenge Virat sir, ismein itna kya sochna"

Or

"Kuch galat toh nahi kar rahi hoon toh aap inta chinta kyun kar rahe hain"

Or

"Mein toh sahi ka hi saath de rahi hoon na, toh aap mujhme galti kyun nikal rahe hain, aapko tha sahi maayne mein mera saath dena chahiye aur aap mujhe hi suna rahe hain, chup kara rahe hain"

None of these above dialogues were used or may be used in similar lines. I brought this up to tell what kind of attitude she carries when it comes to her actions. Her raised voice, her inability to withdraw from a conflict or attitude of jumping the gun are not something she sees as a concern or something she needs to work on.

You explained it really well what I was feeling about her body language .Sometimes even when Sai has point , her raised voice filled with arrogance and her I don’t care attitude irks me . The main agenda of the discussion is lost .Kudos to Ayesha for portraying Sai so perfectly . Forget CN , she needs this skill in her professional life as well . Being calm , composed and having control over emotions during an argument is a very important skill . Virat is trying to tell her the same

Her determination to do something takes away her focus from how she does that.

This is exactly where she is lacking. So it is not that she doesn't bother, she has no clue if she even has to change her ways 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I have to admit that I see some difference in her attitude after staying with Virat . She is slowing trying to follow his advise . In one of the interviews ,Ayesha said admitted this . Virat time and again have said the same , her intentions are right but she needs to keep her tone in check .I think she realizes it but it’s take time for her to change .

Also, about taking Virat's opinion into consideration

Apart from the above said reasons I think it has also got to do with the independence she had at her Dad's place.

She was given the liberty to take decisions, it probably was also got to do with the fact that he was at work and she was alone at home and he couldn't always interfere or keep a check on her actions. Usha Maushi can only do so much.

As much as honest and 'insaaf pasand' her Dad was, he loved her a lot and had let go of many mistakes that she committed.

It sometimes happens with single parents, he was a father to her, Sai was a daughter who lost her mother and so he wanted her to felt loved and in that process had failed to be stern with her, failed to ask her to own up her actions or words, instead he chose to apologise on her behalf.

And once she grew up, the hard times or the harassment that she faced due to Jagtap, only made him empathize with her. Also, with just the two of them, they would have hardly had anything like how they have in CN. But his reaction or inaction when Sai was misbehaving with Virat was absolutely not right and it only might seem to her like, Aaba would have corrected me if I am wrong and it had indirectly encouraged her to continue to carry on with that attitude.

Just like when a child who grows up in an abusive environment turns rebellious, children who are pampered a lot also turn into one. Not all though. I am sorry if I had offended anyone by saying this, this is the general notion and also something we have noticed.

I agree with you .Kamal sir could have stopped Sai from misbehaving with Virat. He kept giving excuses for her mistakes . This is one of the reasons why I have so much respect for Virat . Sai was not his wife then yet he understood her outburst and was generous enough to not make this an issue . She was invading his personal space , passing comments on his abilities as an officer and was blaming him for everything going wrong without knowing the reality . I don’t think anyone in his position would have tolerated her.I always wondered what made DIG praise Sai as Kohinoor . I will be curious to know if he will tolerate her like Virat did . I don’t deny that Sai has a hear of good but DIG hasn’t seen any of those to make such statements

I will be bashed for this, this is just my observation. I could be wrong too. 🤭🤭

She has many good qualities, so with time, and by staying with Aai and Virat, will be good if she learns a few things.

Count me in . I believe the same

Virat, on the other hand, grew up in CN and we know how they all are, chauvinistic, old fashioned, prejudiced, mean. He has seen his Dad and also his Mom. We all know and can clearly see, the kids were raised by Ashwini Aai.

Aai is a 'murti' of patience. I don't like a few things she does, but she is the most lovable person in that family. How can we expect one person be right in everything, it isn't fair, so my above statement can never stop me from loving her 😂😂. She is the best and the most adorable of all.

Her values, behavior, attitude, character are all intact. On top it all a very good mother who imparted good morals and virtues in Virat.

The reason why Virat is the way he is is because of his Aai and the house he grew up in, but even if not for CN, she would never let him raise voice and talk to elders disrespectfully.

Though throwing tantrums would have been out of question in CN, being the son of the family, don't think his Dad or Kaku would have had issues, but it is Aai who had kept his actions, words and behavior in check.

His patience, the knack to deal with people, magnanimity, goodness has come from Aai.

Definitely. Ashwini has been a mother to all the kids of CN .

Expectations from parents and family also will dictate a child's behavior. The expectations in CN has always been high and we can see that.

Samrat and Virat have successful careers and it can attributed to their upbringing. They had Nagesh Chavan and Ninad to look upto . This is one reason why I feel bad that they turned Ninad into a criminal . He was a man of principle though he had personal issue with his wife . They totally butchered his character . Virat looked up to him and he was close to him as much as he was to his Aai .

But it is the same environment who have made the kids in the house not to voice out their opinions, made them to withdraw from a confrontation even when one is right, accept defeat, ignore mistakes or atrocities, not point out someone's mistakes.

Sai and Virat grew up in contrasting families but both of them have good morals. Both believe in justice and whatever above said qualities Virat lacked, he started to develop them seeing how bold Sai was, how she doesn't care what others think but is only interested in setting things right, she can't turn blind when something goes wrong, will never compromise on her self respect, instead has Ego 😂😂 and will never back off from any argument.

She was just being stubborn, had deciced to do something and thought that she is going to get justice for Bua and so nothing else mattered. Her way to address the issue wasn't a matter of concern for her. Also, it has got to do with many of the points that I have covered above.

Also, if you try and remember the scene where she wanted to save Pari when she was in safe house and Vittal had laid a trap for her, the way she started to try to escape to save the girl without thinking of the consequences, don't mean she didn't care just about her life, she also didn't care why she was locked up in the safe house, couldn't think straight, that's how she is and she behaves.

Virat wasn't her husband back then and it came out only as if he had a hard time convincing her. Back then she kept quiet or complied with him because she would be interfering with his duty if she went against him and had gone to save Pari.

I remember this scene . Instead of praising her Kamal Joshi and Virat could have taught her some duniya dari . I agree she was selfless but is that enough in this world to survive .Isn't it a responsibility of a parent to teach her some street smartness . Why not encourage her to learn on how to asses the situation and take help if required before making a decision . Virat couldn’t do anything as he was not her husband but he could have highlighted this to Kamal Sir .

But the same cannot be said in the case during Amay's issue.

She wasn't obliged to follow his orders since it wasn't an official thing and so she had made up her mind that only her plan was going to prove Bua's innocence in front of Amay's wife and Virat's family.

She was shocked beyond words as how they had doubted their own daugher, how they didn't stand up for her but instead believed those other women and accused Bua of infidelity.

She was raised by a loving Dad and this was not something she could understand, not something she thought someone could ever do, to their own daughter. She doesn't have much of exposure.

But as you said, she was wrong. Whatever character trait I have pointed out, doesn't mean that she was right.

Her approach was wrong and neither Virat nor Sai were in the right frame of mind to turn into one team and handle the issue.

He was mad at her, had lost it probably for the very first time and she couldn't handle that. She has never ever seen him to be so harsh or stern or loud with her, but I thing after that incident she became aware that he can also grow angry or mad, he also can shout and fight with her. But ultimately, a task that both could have handled in a better way, went out of hands.

Though one could argue, he alone was enough for the task, I don't know why I feel he wouldn't have been able to prove Bua's innocence to his family. May be they should have found a way for that too without her getting involved in it

Also, about creating tamasha, I didn't find it that bad. I hated when she brought his past in front of the family, this was still okay considering the fact that when those women came walking to CN and damaged Bua's image, it is okay if her image gets cleared in front of everyone. It just happened that way I think, because Sai probably didn't expect the neighbours to show up.

@Bold I don’t bring this topic in most discussions because the discussion circles back to how Virat promised Pakhi so she isn’t saying anything wrong . I had said this in janaki’s topic ..she broke a trust between husband and wife by revealing his past . He had shared her about his past with some trust thinking she would be mature enough to handle it but she broke his trust . I think that might be another reason why Virat doesn’t open up about his changed feelings . He is too scared to trust her given her impulsive nature .

These were some which made me feel she doesn’t care about him

It is not that she didn't care about him, it is just that she never thought it would be an issue for him.

She does it because, the Virat she thinks she knows, would not have issues with it and is not a person who would worry about his image but instead would only be concerned about his Bua.

She has faith in him that such things wouldn't matter to him. To tell the truth, the tamasha only bothered the gang and didn't bother Aai or Virat.

We came to know later and I was surprised too, she had rightly guessed that the reason behind Virat's anger was because she flirted with Amay.

It’s one of favorite scene in the show . There were so many emotions involved in the scene and we need a separate thread to discuss about this .Both Sai and Virat surprised me with their reactions . I never expected her to guess the real reason behind Virat’s anger

Also we can see another contrast in behavior between Sai and Pakhi. Sai stood for what is right, fought for Bua, brought her justice when Pakhi was siding with the elders of the family who were being unreasonable with Bua.

It is not this contrast I am talking about, this same Pakhi who failed to stand by Bua was more worried about tamasha being created whereas Sai stood by Bua and got her justice too and didn't care about the tamasha.

I don't think Virat had any issues with it. He felt proud of her though he didn't approve of her plan and actions which were really stupid. Pakhi realised that Virat wasn't happy with her and became impressed with Sai.

His concern or issue with Sai that day was the way she was fighting back with the family and her raised voice and tone towards his Dad. Also, I will owe to his foul mood, he couldn't believe she would flirt with anyone like that even if it was a fake one. He probably saw a woman in her that he has never seen in her, not in terms of apperance but her thoughts.

I totally agree with you on her feelings during GC . I sensed it too and I felt it was more like a infatuation or a crush kind of feeling . It’s common for an 18 yr old to feel. Mostly , girls have such feelings for their professors . Just like her friends, she had a crush on him but she never admitted it given the circumstances . He was a young handsome and intelligent officer with so much power at a young age so it was natural to feel that way

@bold I beg to differ. It was not these that attracted her, he was her saviour. He saved her from Jagtap and her Aaba's life from that sniper, technically Jagtap ofcourse. I think she was flattered with his kind nature like getting her food, mosquito ointment, buying medicines for her Aaba though she never admitted it.

And to top it all, her Dad used to be in all praise of him all the time. She has heard lot of good things about Virat and her Aaba's faith and confidence in Virat made him more attractive. Looks like she enjoyed and liked fighting with him, her tiffs with him, giving attitude to him and also his responses to all of these.

Really doubt if a person like Sai would go by looks.

I don’t think there is anything wrong if a 18 yr old girl crushes over a guy for his looks . In most cases , physical attraction is the first thing that happens and I believe Sai appreciated all the above qualities in him along with his looks and position .

Any girl will have butterflies in her tummy if they see a young dashing officer blazing guns to protect her from the goons . If we forget about the gun usage , he was given a heroic entry where he got to save the girl and show his power . We need to discuss this scene in detail 😂. Many say he was disappointed that Sai didn’t hug him 🤪.. I want to believe that it was true though I doubt it

I am sorry if you didn't mean that. No offense.

Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

Sometimes when your mind catches something that stays for long. She definitely cares for him but her mind is not ready to accept it. And so far nothing like that happened which could have made her question about her feelings and what he means to her. That's why people wanted separation and now that Virat is not there people are expecting her to miss him. She is kind of weak in relationship. The only person she loved was her Aaba and Usha Maushi, Aayi, Tai and Shivani they are just some people she is fond of. She married a man she didn't like and he told her not to expect anything. So the only times we see her emotions is when Virat is with Pakhi. She doesn't want to share him with anyone else without even being romantically involved with him. I am eagerly waiting to see when she will actually feel like "he is the man my heart beats for" instead of "He is just my deal wala husband".