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Totally loved your analysis and I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. The frustrations from the fight led to this. I wonder why she could not have just said she is going for doubt clearing or sumn like that. She could have said she will inform Virat about her well being when she reached but then emotions took over logic today.

'Mallika-e-maturity" lol such an apt name!

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Good morning sisters!🌻🌻🌻

Excellent analysis Janki!! Where do you get the words and the wisdom from?? Loved every word of yours. When you become late the forum goes nuts, so khayal rakha karo please!!🤣

Hum dhundhte rahetain hai aap ko!!

While Sai's loose-canon mode was certainly frustrating, I think it was at least consistent with her current state of mind. Sai is emotionally exhausted and broken- and seems like she has decided to be emotionally distant from Virat. Sai's flaw is her almost compulsive tactlessness. All the tact that she has presumably adopted since past few days - she is not in a frame of mind to bother with such an effort now. She is in "ab pati hi mera nahi hai, to pati ke gharwalon ke liye itna effort kyun lagana?" mode. Did she also want to hurt Virat? May be, may be not. She was certainly stiff with him today. Did he pick I up her tone?

Why did Sai not lie about the details? It is one thing to be truthful and quite another to be stupidly truthful. And the mother of all stupidity - poking your nose in an extremely sensitive matter without taking any member of the family into confidence.

Virat's questions and concerns for her safety was totally justified. He had every right to get angry too. But nothing will justify what is going to unfold this week. The original plot could have been modified into a harsh, ugly confrontation. But somehow humiliation is macho and the subsequent breakdown of the man in question, appealing. It is not. I am reminded of Ashwini's pati-patni ka gulakh. Is the humiliating and inhuman act of a man/woman denying food to his/her spouse - a stone that will break the gulakh? I would believe so, at least in real life.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Good morning sisters!🌻🌻🌻

No marriage is complete without husband and wife arguments -- they are small, big, bad and even ugly -- what happens during a fight doesn't matter as much as what happens after a fight. There are different ways one can deal with the aftermath of a fight -- just be around and wait until things settle and normalcy returns or one can be understanding and give the partner the space to process and overcome the hurt. In both these cases, there can be room for resolving the issue at hand but the worst way of dealing with a fight is to behave like nothing happened. So it's a good sign that Sai is not brushing aside the matters this time and Virat tried to get her to break her silence without getting offended.

I always take the scenes only at face value but I think today that the makers, while trying to make changes are missing the connectivity between the scenes to allow smooth transitions. So, the connection between one morning to the other -- i.e. Saturday tea to Sunday lunch showdown did not establish the mood between the navra baiko well. What happened when Virat returned from work on Saturday night? Did he try to talk to her? Did Sai give him the silent treatment? Did she have any thoughts about informing at least Ashwini in advance if not Virat? There are so many unanswered questions that one cannot definitely decide the culpability of either of the two characters in this all important showdown and it is left to the viewers to interpret only by what we have been shown:

So, I will fault both Sai and Virat for their own behaviours after this fight. Beginning with the most obvious: So Virat hasn't registered what Sai spoke in clear words during the fight? Or he has decided to ignore it because in his mind his intentions are clear and he doesn't care if anyone wants to misunderstand it the way they can see it? Or is he trying to normalise the day between them and then address the issue at a point where she is in a better mood to understand his jalebis -- because I don't think he's still ready for spashth speaking?

I will go for the third - Going by what his character has been so far, I don't doubt the fact that he had registered what Sai said, he knows his intentions are clear but he has not visibly reflected on why his actions have made Sai feel the way she's feeling but he knows he has to normalise the situation. Thinking men, who speak less, when they acknowledge that the outburst of their woman is justified, would try to first do the small, nice things -- to break the ice and restart a conversation that needs both the partners to be in a better frame of mind. I do not think he doesn't mean to address the issue. It has left him restless.

Right from the moment he woke up, Sai has been on his mind. He knows she has 'misunderstood' him and the fight -- like any fight-- has brought a distance between them. The subject of the fight is a sensitive one. It cannot be addressed with one of them in an agitated mood. It is a conversation that needs to be had after eliminating any possible sparks still remaining from the explosion that happened or there will be another explosion and it wouldn't help -- it is important to take the time to deescalate before moving forward with the conversation.

But, now, serving jalebis is also the storyteller's tool so there wasn't a single moment shown of him recalling Sai's words about his relationship with PP. But it is well established that Sai is on his mind. And then, Sunny makes an appearance -- and this time, seems like he's coming straight from the de-addiction centre and without influence of the dum -- and the issue at hand is Sai ko manao.

"Sai abhi tak bohat naraaz hai"

But there is a flaw in the plan to begin with. One, Chavan saheb doesn't know how to acche se manana and Sunny is of no help because he doesn't know the actual reason behind the fight.

I found it interesting that Sunny warned Virat to leave PP out of their plans and Virat acknowledged 'Ek Baar Galti ho gayi toh dobara nahi dohraunga' -- it has many inferences. Can it be taken as some kind of acknowledgment of Virat's understanding of what the issue is? Of course, he can't be so obtuse that he hasn't followed what Sai wanted to say. Rather, he has taken it in his stride -- giving her the allowance to share -- and he's constructively trying to get closer to her to address the issue. Yes, a scene showing him reflecting about it would have been very clear but ab toh everyone feels jalebis are a lucrative business 🙄

Even in the kind of shock he was in when Sai was speaking about his relationship with PP, he was intently observing her when she spoke of her own stand about the deal and their loveless marriage... He turned to see her quietly sobbing when they went to bed. It is impossible to imagine that he hasn't understood. He recently revealed that he has already made mental notes of a lot of things from the past that were thought have gone unregistered but he will only when he thinks he's unable to keep the head above water -- the greatest tool in escapism and avoiding confrontation-- stay afloat. That's the approach to even his relationship with Sai.

But he still wants to get the two women to become 'dost' 🙈😑😑 Why?! For God's sake! Why can't he just make peace with the fact that they can't be friends... As he himself distributed his gyaan wali jalebis once to Kaku --jo cheez acchi Nahi Lagti unhe aise hi chhodhh dena Chahiye...

The terrace scene was symbolic in many ways:

Sai is the one who reflects more than Virat does. We have seen it in the past we well. She seems to be the one who remembers what has been said and recalls words and actions before making her mind up.

While Virat is not shown as someone who recalls what has been said or done much -- he believes in 'action'. He registers the words as they are said and very keenly observes the people involved in the situation and he knows kaun Kaisa hai -- brings us to the big question: doesn't he see PP's advances towards him bordering on obsession? I guess for that matter, he wanted to give PP a benefit of doubt because he did not believe that she was on a different page as far as the 'friendship' was concerned but how he conducts himself from hereon will define how he goes about convincing Sai and also puts the message across to PP.

It is clear to him -- Sai is the one who he will fetch and seek to begin and end his day, no matter what. The rest of the people are 'gharwale'. It is not an issue he can address in the moment. He is going to take his slow steps to letting her know that he's going to persevere until she takes a sip from that invisible cup of love he's offering her. The verbalisation of the feeling is going to be painfully slow but the it is evident that his "commitment" to bridge the gap between Sai and him is firm.

Now, Sai ended up spilling all the tea (if you ask me, it's good..manhoos logon ke haath se bani huyi chai ka yahi anth hona tha😅). The fight could have actually been washed off in that moment had the reason been something else but this is a conversation that needs patient hearing and honest sharing...

Sai's monologue in the balcony was poignant .. she had a flashback of Aaba after so long. She is introspecting if she did something wrong by speaking the truth. Of everything that Virat said, she remembered the 'wall' he mentioned and wondered if Aaba would approve of her speaking the truth. Of course, he would...Sai is lonely but she also knows that all said and done, Virat has got her back. So Sai doesn't want to discuss her 'love' for Virat. And even Mohit can see her feelings? Wow! 🤭

Now there is no denying that whenever the conversation takes place between the navra baiko, it has to be a two way exchange otherwise it will never deliver the result it should. Will Sai be ready to let go of her inhibition and lower her guard? No. She is apprehensive and I think Virat, if he has understood Sai's angst, will first have to convince her that he indeed wishes mend and nurture their relationship for her to be able to be able to even desire the same. If he just begins giving her an explanation at this point-- much as we would like-- she might not even accept it.

Her exchange with Mohit was so sweet -- would have loved Virat to overhear but glad it wasn't. I must say the actor has done a fine job of portraying a man with shaken confidence. Sai's assurance, of course, has given him the new push. It is true that one does best following her/ his passion and how success automatically brings relatives. But in Mohit's case, it does appear that a lesson or two about balancing zimmedari and passion would help. He hasn't got the support from the family -- it was so sad to hear that none wanted to ever encourage him by attending his play and Sai's offer excited him so much. But it is also true that his family has served him things on a platter so far -- accompanied by taunts since his marriage maybe-- but getting habituated to easy things never brings about growth. It is necessary for Mohit to find a job and rejuvenate his confidence before pursuing his passion with complete resolve and belief to be able to stand up to the bullies.

Now, coming to the drama set up:

By now Chavan Saheb should know that planning a dinner or lunch is jinxed. Why did he even try? If he really is wants to have a meal with the Baiko, he should plan to go missing and she'll find him like a red riding hood with a basket of goodies 😅 now, lunch plan kiya tha, wo bhi surprise! Kuch jyada hi umeed nahi rakh li aapne apne plan se? And don't tell me that tamasha was not going to happen if Virat was to say that he's taking Baiko out for lunch while Queen Bhavani has ordered paramparik Maratha thali for lunch. Uss table pe Kabhi koi itna khaana khaata hai kya? 😛

So anyway, today's zillat arena tamasha credits go to Sai. I find it hard to defend her today for this particular scene. Now, doesn't she know exactly how the family will react? Where is the tact in dealing with such situations? It felt as if she actually walked into the zillat arena only to announce war. She was the one who asked Pulkit if she could visit him on Sunday -- now I get it that doing a week-day meeting is probably not possible because of the college schedule so Sunday is the only day. But, why did she not plan the entire sequence of events? Does Sai not foresee such drama where the usual suspects will gang up -- each one offering a comment and questioning her. Did she not know Virat would be offended -- she also very well knows the reason why he reacted the way he did to Amey and 'warned' Aniket. She may not voice it aloud, but she has acknowledged that it was his insecurity as a 'husband' during their conversations on both subjects -- once reminding him of the deal marriage and then in the playful banter. Why bring upon yourself this stress of the drama?

She could have taken Ashwini into confidence and told her that she needs to visit the professor for something important. Ashwini would have come up with some better argument. But with the two people who support her clueless about her plans, it would never be smooth. It doesn't mean that the Chakram gang is anywhere close to being 'right', but then one has to understand the circumstances one is in and act accordingly.

It is understandable that she cannot reveal the real reason behind her visit to Pulkit's house. She cannot even reveal his name. But then why start a drama where the volley of questions will turn into a full-blown storm, surrounding even the two people who are usually understanding.

Her answers to the questions from the Makad Sena was understandably coming from her annoyance, but what was the need to answer every question and taunt when your agenda to leave is bigger. This is where she fails to pick battles. What is the harm in using a bit of tact or misleading information when you are on an investigation that is a matter of life and death for someone who you love?. If Omkar and Ninad made suggestions about 'weak students' needing Sunday classes, she could have ignored it at letting them be instead of going with "Aapse kisne kaha main padhne jaa rahi hoon?" What was the need to rub it in that she was going for a lunch outing to a professor's house?

All of Virat's questions were valid: Who is this professor? What does PD stand for? Do you know him since before to trust him enough to go out alone to his home? Why has he invited you home on a Sunday? Who are the other students coming?

Today, his objection was not from jealousy or even his disappointment about the possibility of his lunch date getting washed out or even because he was affected by what anyone else said. It was actually out of sheer concern for her safety and of course indignation that she is unwilling to inform him. They are questions any family member would ask. Even Ashwini wanted to know and she asks in a polite tone, which Sai likes. But she was tongue-tied because she was speaking at the wrong place. How much planning does this simple act need, when there is so much at stake for once -- Devyani's life. Is there any need to shift the focus to "Why should I tell anyone I am heading out?"

I understand the principle of honesty and speaking the truth but it is foolhardy to say you cannot be diplomatic or tactical in achieving an impossible goal with hostile people around, who have possibly been the cause of Devyani's current condition. How would it have harmed her principle of "truth" if she had just used an excuse to escape the drama? A "lie" is not the same as being "dishonest"-- i know it will cause a debate-- so would it harm if she just said she was visiting the college for something important... because the truth that she is out to seek is the bigger cause and you cannot hit your head against a wall expecting to create a door to enter the other side. Virat does it so smoothly, so many times by either evading the answer or misleading the Chakrams. Sai needs to learn...

Virat's "Tum nahi jaogi, Kyunki Main bol raha hoon" would sound like a controlling statement -- it was, but I want to let it pass today. If she had given him even half convincing answers, he would not have used that statement.

It is difficult to defend Sai's obstinate behaviour at such times. I don't want to give any benefit of the doubt to any of the Makad Sena elders. Totally ignoring the Mallika-e-Maturity -- for a change, even Kaku asked both of them to shut up today.

For a moment, it did appear as if she also wanted to actually hurt Virat as well -- to clarify that the distance between them has to be maintained. She is clearly still upset -- so it means they have slept over the unresolved fight for two nights and all his attempts to initiate a conversation and break the silence would have gone unheeded or maybe he didn't try much because he had planned the outing to do the needful... But, at the prospect of sounding unpopular, I think, her need to not take anyone into confidence acts as a hinderance in wading through the muck that she has to clear before her actual expedition in the ocean begins.

The precap, of course, is a preview into the tempers rising tomorrow but even if there is an unjust act, it has to be viewed in the context and then also the aftermath of it. I will brace myself and hold my heart still, hoping that it is not a complete letdown.

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So they say, a lie is a lie regardless of the reason behind it because telling the truth has a bigger reason but does it make sense to argue with someone who believes in their own lies and prejudices? Don't we all need to use a strategic approach, including a bit of misleading those who would never believe explanations anyway and cause impediment to the larger good we are out to seek?

And, then, does concealing one's real feelings for another amount to a 'lie" or "dishonesty"? Or is it allowed because everything is fair in love and war? My heart is divided for both Virat and Sai today -- both wrong in one place and right in the other... They need a hug from one another to fill up that space between them where external serpents are waiting to slide in... Seal the space 💕💗

Behti Rehti, Neharein Nadiya Si,

Teri Duniya Mein, Meri Duniya Hai,

Teri Chahaton Mein,

Main Dhal Jati Hoon,

Teri Aadaton Mein,

Agar Tum Saath Ho.

Fill today's cuppas with the coffee ☕☕☕ of comprehension of feelings and tea 🍵🍵🍵 of empathy... Pata nahi, which bottled up soul around us is in need for hugs 🤗🤗🤗 and heart 💓💓💓 in tender charity...

Tab tak, manapurvak aabhar

Apni Hasi ki hifazat Karna...

Love

❤️J

Very nicely presented as always, haven't watched the episode and don't think want to watch this week. Lets see, will continue to read what you have to say and its actually a better picture than the episode. 😊

Originally posted by: Sairat

@Pink ..Janki your post was awesome as usual.Added some points that I felt also happened today.

I agree with you that Sai was stopped caring for this family.. there is no respect in her eyes for most .. except her mom in law .. as Kaku asked her where u are going .. she ignored her and called ayi .. ayi .. she could have gone to the kitchen and told her .. somehow she treats ashwini for granted ..

But others have been so so rude to her she had to give everybody back left right ..

But the issue over here was not Kisi criminal ko catch karna .. pulkit is no Amey that he will slip away ..there is no war path ..

Of mahakali that shiva jas to stop by let thing go of his ego

She has mixed 2 issues .. and I am not sure in her current state of mind abd position in the house she can sort Devyani pulkit matter ..

What if pulkit was really cheating Devyani .. he might be sayi ka professor but may have been married from before .. and Kaku was right in separating them ..

We know this is not true .. why will anybody listen to sayi if they are already angry with her ..

@Janki: As usual unusual.

I felt except Mrs.MIA , everyone was right from their side. Who knows, we are immature, but queen of maturity maybe right from her delusional world.

I felt that Sai already mentally prepared to move out of this CN asylum, so she wants to solve the problem of Devyani soon who unknowingly got stuck in mental asylum.

More than episode, your analysis written up is Beautiful ❤️❤️👏🏻

Awesome post as usual 🤗

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Though there are too many fight scenes and unpleasant scenes happening, I feel that this is finally leading somewhere, there is some progress, be it in the plot, or in SaiRat's relationship. Gusse mein hi sahi, they're at least making an effort to express themselves and clear those misunderstandings... most of all Sai. But yeah, as usual, bad writing and choppy editing, so the scenes and their endings seem very abrupt, and what transpires in between is left to the audience's imagination.

I will go for the third - Going by what his character has been so far, I don't doubt the fact that he had registered what Sai said, he knows his intentions are clear but he has not visibly reflected on why his actions have made Sai feel the way she's feeling but he knows he has to normalise the situation. Thinking men, who speak less, when they acknowledge that the outburst of their woman is justified, would try to first do the small, nice things -- to break the ice and restart a conversation that needs both the partners to be in a better frame of mind. I do not think he doesn't mean to address the issue. It has left him restless.

^I feel the same too. He has clearly understood what Sai meant, but according to him, his intentions are clear, but he doesn't know that it is not visible to the eyes of the other people, including Sai. I think at this point, he just wants to calm her down and get her to talk to him in a much more tranquil state of mind so that he can probably explain himself. Virat is definitely no fool, he knows that if left unaddressed, this issue can blow up to an extent where there is no going back.

Also, Sunny the love guru is finally back again! And this time, thankfully he's pushing Virat in the right direction. Probably because the toxicity from Jali Hui Didi's tea has left his body since he hasn't visited the CN after she came back😆. And the lunch plan🤣. Virat and his plan to have at least one peaceful meal with his baiko is completely jinxed! He should have known that by now😆.

Sai's monologue in the balcony was poignant .. she had a flashback of Aaba after so long. She is introspecting if she did something wrong by speaking the truth. Of everything that Virat said, she remembered the 'wall' he mentioned and wondered if Aaba would approve of her speaking the truth. Of course, he would...Sai is lonely but she also knows that all said and done, Virat has got her back. So Sai doesn't want to discuss her 'love' for Virat. And even Mohit can see her feelings? Wow! 🤭

^Sai's monologue literally had me crying! Ayesha has really upped her acting game in the past few episodes! And the scene between Sai and Mohit was really really very sweet, and it was much needed. It was a breath of fresh air, away from all the fighting and toxicity in the CN. I really hope we do get a scene where Sai actually goes to Mohit's play to support him and takes Virat with her too!

So anyway, today's zillat arena tamasha credits go to Sai. I find it hard to defend her today for this particular scene. Now, doesn't she know exactly how the family will react? Where is the tact in dealing with such situations? It felt as if she actually walked into the zillat arena only to announce war. She was the one who asked Pulkit if she could visit him on Sunday -- now I get it that doing a week-day meeting is probably not possible because of the college schedule so Sunday is the only day. But, why did she not plan the entire sequence of events? Does Sai not foresee such drama where the usual suspects will gang up -- each one offering a comment and questioning her. Did she not know Virat would be offended -- she also very well knows the reason why he reacted the way he did to Amey and 'warned' Aniket. She may not voice it aloud, but she has acknowledged that it was his insecurity as a 'husband' during their conversations on both subjects -- once reminding him of the deal marriage and then in the playful banter. Why bring upon yourself this stress of the drama?

^This I totally agree! Today, whatever taana she faced, its all her doing. It kinda felt like she was instigating people on purpose, especially Virat. And I really don't believe that she didn't find the time to tell Ashwini in private that she has to go out. Or at least, she could have taken Usha Maushi with her as usual. Usha Maushi wouldn't eavesdrop on her conversation with Pulkit if Sai asked her not to, and the others wouldn't find it that weird either.

Virat's "Tum nahi jaogi, Kyunki Main bol raha hoon" would sound like a controlling statement -- it was, but I want to let it pass today. If she had given him even half convincing answers, he would not have used that statement.

^Exactly! During any other day, we would have probably had our guns pointed at him, but today, we really cannot blame him for reacting the way he did. It was not even petty jealousy, but only concern. Even I found it absurd that Sai thought she could get away with this so easily.

The precap, of course, is a preview into the tempers rising tomorrow but even if there is an unjust act, it has to be viewed in the context and then also the aftermath of it. I will brace myself and hold my heart still, hoping that it is not a complete letdown.

^Though the precap has me seething, I really don't think I'll keep my guns loaded and pointed towards Virat because this time Sai was the instigator. I just hope that it plays out better and the aftermath of the blow up is better.

Chalo... my cameo appearance is now done😆. I'll take your leave. Zyada miss mat karna mujhe😉

Love,

Niya🤗