As The Tide Turns - a MG SS - part 4, pg 12, 26/2 - Page 6

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Posted: 12 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: mayyo13

That sure was long! 😆
But I like the way you've elaborated from different views. What I gather is that you're saying, it's good that Geet and Dev opted out of a loveless marriage because continuing on in a sort of a limbo wouldn't have done any good to either.

Correct.

And if Maan feels remorse and thinks about feelings of those other than himself, then it's fine. Am I right in deducing this Zarin?

Not quite. It would probably make me dislike him less but since the damage has already been done, it can't really be fine. If he had thought about the others before kissing her, it would have made a difference. Now, with the pair divorced, there's not much more he can do to 'fix' things than apologise sincerely. And even after that, if he really is not affected by his brother's plight and if Geet does accept him, unless he feels the guilt that Geet is feeling, he only stands to gain, doesn't he?


Blame Fozia - the topic is worth all the typing. She's also the one to throw chappals at if there's no update tonight 😆

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Posted: 12 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: kaamchorni

Very true. With morality being as subjective as it is, perhaps it is better to omit the question and discuss the situation as it stands so far.

Geet was married, Maan was her brother in law. Maan kissed her and several kisses followed, during - it seems - the time she was married. Dev, so far, appears to be the innocent, wounded party in this case. Geet is divorced - or it is being finalised - and she feels guilty as hell. Maan has yet to show signs of remorse but we haven't seen much of his POV. He believes that one day, they will be together. Geet has left.

I think the question would have been better asked at a time when the divorce had not existed. Maybe then, morality could have been called into question. As it stands now, there is no betrayal - only individual entities, guilt and a question of what happens now.

A quality I hold in especially high regard is self control. I do think that attraction is unstoppable and you don't very little - if any - have control over it. I will not hold attraction and temptation against someone so my opinions are not based on them falling for each other. But what you can control is how you handle the attraction. I would have begrudged them - especially Maan, as he is the one who instigated the first kiss - less had they resisted the temptation of kissing and first come clean with Dev about their attraction, then chosen what to do in the future. And I will respect them more now if it turns out that they told Dev about the kiss from the get go and he didn't have to find out himself.

Staying in a loveless marriage would not be fair to Geet or Dev. But if they were so unhappy, it would have been better to end it than wait for something like infidelity to happen before finalising the decision. I am happy only that she left a loveless marriage but not why it broke off, if the kiss was the reason.Doing right by Dev would not have been pretending this thing between her and Maan didn't exist and staying with Dev; doing right here, I think, would be honesty about the attraction from all parties.

It is the same with Maan. I don't think he's wrong for falling for Geet. He's wrong for kissing her. Their love may be true, epic and all the rest of it but Dev matters just as much. He should have been honest with his brother, however much it hurt. I'm sure it hurt Dev more to go by day on day witnessing the attraction and having to pretend every thing's okay. My dislike is strengthened by the lack of remorse from Maan. I'm seeing no guilt, no remembrance of his brother, no consideration for either Dev or Geet's feelings. His desire shook their lives and their marriage. His attraction may have been shared by Geet but his kiss was clearly unwanted. Yet he still uses the defence that she wanted to kiss him too, completely missing the point that she may have wanted to but she didn't. It all comes down to respect really.


Damn, that was long 😳


Can I just hug you forever? You've touched upon all the questions that the issue raises 👏

First bold point: divorce set out the clear boundaries for all three of them, especially Geet. As you mention later on in your comment, for Maan it was pretty much black and white - he fell in love with Geet and wanted her, and that was it. But for Geet, she's been trying to make her way through a grey fog for so long. The divorce was mutual between D&G, so now she's ready to acknowledge her feelings for Maan without the fact of being someone else's wife. But she can't act upon those feelings because her morals mean so much more to her than to give in to the name of love.

2: I completely agree about Maan - I think most of the sympathy lies with Dev, and rightly so. He does show restraint but then several kisses ensued - he could have easily stopped whatever was escalating between them. I may have forgotten to mention that Maan was out of the picture up until two years - so he could have easily left the mansion as he returned. But he chose to stick around for Geet, and like you said, they owe it to Dev to tell him the truth face to face, despite the hope of a relationship being non existent as of yet. But I can't reveal if that happens or not...

3: The distance between Maan & Dev (hence Maan living abroad prior to two years ago) adds to their family distance. There's no sense of a brothership between them - he always viewed Geet as another man's wife - Geet was more aware of their relationship, hence in Part 2 she says 'brother's wife' rather than 'a married woman' or anything else. For Maan, he only really knows how to love - and love Geet. He has been the black sheep, the family recluse and he never really formed a bond with any of his family members to appreciate and respect them enough.

I swear my reply is longer than some of my uni essays 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
#53

Would you class that as Maan's selfishness, or his passionate love? Or is there a difference between the two - some would say his pursuing Geet is immoral whilst others would say he's only following his heart...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: walkintomylifex


Would you class that as Maan's selfishness, or his passionate love? Or is there a difference between the two - some would say his pursuing Geet is immoral whilst others would say he's only following his heart...

edit: update tomorrow, pakka promise



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Posted: 12 years ago
#55
There's no gain without pain. And only when Maan feels the guilt, does he deserve to gain anything. Just like you said.

Some topics trigger the debates and discussions and it's hard to leave them. But since we (Fozia included) want an update from you, you better get on with it! 😆

I'm going to catch some z's now. Good night girls! 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: mayyo13

That sure was long! 😆
But I like the way you've elaborated from different views. What I gather is that you're saying, it's good that Geet and Dev opted out of a loveless marriage because continuing on in a sort of a limbo wouldn't have done any good to either. And if Maan feels remorse and thinks about feelings of those other than himself, then it's fine. Am I right in deducing this Zarin?


Is there any sympathy for Maan? He watches the woman he loves be with his brother, watches her break down in her guilt and then watches her walk away and accepts there's nothing he can do to soothe her inner turmoil...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: mayyo13

There's no gain without pain. And only when Maan feels the guilt, does he deserve to gain anything. Just like you said.

Some topics trigger the debates and discussions and it's hard to leave them. But since we (Fozia included) want an update from you, you better get on with it! 😆

I'm going to catch some z's now. Good night girls! 😊


He managed to gain Geet's love without feeling any pain for Dev... it's only now that he's suffering becaue he's feeling the pain of what Geet is going through, as it links directly with him...

Fikar not, I have my ways 😉

Good night! 😊


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Posted: 12 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: mayyo13

For Maan's feelings for Geet, I won't use the word 'love'. Not at all. It was his desire, his attraction towards a woman, not his brother's wife. It was this feeling of his that pulled all rationale out of him.

As for Geet. She is praised for accepting her wrongdoing. We're all humans and mistakes are synonymous to us. Letting herself fall for a temptation was a weak moment's decision. It was a mistake. But she is shamed for not fulfilling the duty towards her husband, for not letting the mess to be resolved earlier or better yet, not made.

Okay, I know I'm a confused personality. I won't be surprised if you don't get what I've said above! 😆


Apologies, I only noticed this comment now as I was going back

Can we define what love is? Maybe for Maan this is love, the desire and attraction. It's not as if he's waited for her to be available to whisk her away into his bed - or even during her marriage. Granted, the kisses were wrong and I agree it was irrational for him to behave in such a way. But we do see a side of him which longs to hold her as she cries, but he keeps himself at bay...

I agree. I think for Geet, escaping is her only solution rather than facing her problem. Maybe she can only seek redemption if she attempts to explain to Dev about her wrongs and seek forgiveness.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: walkintomylifex


Would you class that as Maan's selfishness, or his passionate love? Or is there a difference between the two - some would say his pursuing Geet is immoral whilst others would say he's only following his heart...



Following his heart at the cost of a marriage and others' feelings, even the feelings of the one he's pursuing? If I had to choose between 'selfishness' and 'passionate love', I'd tick the first box for sure. He is following his heart for his own gain, after all...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thats nice,but the final goodbye.what will happen now?will the tide turn once again?

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