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Posted: 10 years ago
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I have a query. When normal human pregnancy lasts for not more than ten months, how did Gandhari make it possible that she carried the foetus for an year, then waited for Kunti to get pregnant & deliver yudhi & then she delivered a meat ball which after an year became Ks? What if Dury actually was elder to Yudhi?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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a question from nowhere... What do you think about this unanswered question??? 😕


As soon as Duryodhana was born, he began to cry and bray like an ass. And hearing that sound, the asses, vultures, jackals and crows uttered their respective cries responsively. Violent winds began to blow, and there were fires in various directions. Then king Dhritarashtra in great fear, summoning Bhishma and Vidura and other well-wishers and all the Kurus, and numberless Brahmanas, addressed them and said, 'The oldest of those princes, Yudhishthira, is the perpetuator of our line. By virtue of his birth he hath acquired the kingdom. We have nothing to say to this. But shall this my son born after him become king? Tell me truly what is lawful and right under these circumstances.' As soon as these words were spoken, O Bharata, jackals and other carnivorous animals began to howl ominously And marking those frightful omens all around, the assembled Brahmanas and the wise Vidura replied, 'O king, O bull among men, when these frightful omens are noticeable at the birth of thy eldest son, it is evident that he shall be the exterminator of thy race. The prosperity of all dependeth on his abandonment. Calamity there must be in keeping him. O king, if thou abandonest him, there remain yet thy nine and ninety sons. If thou desirest the good of thy race, abandon him, O Bharata! O king, do good to the world and thy own race by casting off this one child of thine. It hath been said that an individual should be cast off for the sake of the family; that a family should be cast off for the sake of a village; that a village may be abandoned for the sake of the whole country; and that the earth itself may be abandoned for the sake of the soul.' When Vidura and those Brahmanas had stated so, king Dhritarashtra out of affection for his son had not the heart to follow that advice. Then, O king, within a month, were born a full hundred sons unto Dhritarashtra and a daughter also in excess of this hundred. And during the time when Gandhari was in a state of advanced pregnancy, there was a maid servant of the Vaisya class who used to attend on Dhritarashtra. During that year, O king, was begotten upon her by the illustrious Dhritarashtra a son endued with great intelligence who was afterwards named Yuvutsu. And because he was begotten by a Kshatriya upon a Vaisya woman, he came to be called Karna.



I think there is a problem in translation here. Actual verse says that Dhrit asking about whether his firstborn would be able to be King after Yudhi or not. This means Dhrit wanted Yudhi's premature death. Because he knew well Yudhi & Duri had only 1 year difference in age, so how could Duri become a King AFTER the rightful heir? If both lived longer then Duri would never become King AFTER Yudhi, no? There is only one way. The senior have to die early to place the younger on throne.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks a lot.. can you pls give the sanskrit slokha dissected? there are more than one with sanskrit knowledge here so you guys can discuss and we will enjoy reading/learning 😊


But shall this my son born after him become king? Tell me truly what is lawful and right under these circumstances.


if what you think is right, then Dhrit is definitely very smart 😆 and so are those who did not answer 😆 or many be some shift+del
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Vyasa drove them away saying their clan will get demolished soon and they should not see it


i dont think bringing up children used to be the job of any King or queen for that matter, let alone uncles and grand parents..



See nobody in MB, takes responsibility for their actions. I think they could have helped. They could have been the neutral party.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

I have a query. When normal human pregnancy lasts for not more than ten months, how did Gandhari make it possible that she carried the foetus for an year, then waited for Kunti to get pregnant & deliver yudhi & then she delivered a meat ball which after an year became Ks? What if Dury actually was elder to Yudhi?




ive read somewhere that it could be like Gandhari conceived first and the news spread.. n then she miscarried.. later Kunti delivers Yudi.. 1 year later Gandhari gives birth to Dury and Dhrid has 100 more babies from other wives.. to keep the confusion of right heir alive they made it up like Dury+100 were from the first conception of Gandhari #1
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Thanks a lot.. can you pls give the sanskrit slokha dissected? there are more than one with sanskrit knowledge here so you guys can discuss and we will enjoy reading/learning 😊


But shall this my son born after him become king? Tell me truly what is lawful and right under these circumstances.


if what you think is right, then Dhrit is definitely very smart 😆 and so are those who did not answer 😆 or many be some shift+del



I took this as Dhrit saying - 'I know Yudhi is elder, but since Im the reigning king, will my son, who is born after Yudhi be able to be king', So he is asking Bheeshma what is right ?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...Diala...




ive read somewhere that it could be like Gandhari conceived first and the news spread.. n then she miscarried.. later Kunti delivers Yudi.. 1 year later Gandhari gives birth to Dury and Dhrid has 100 more babies from other wives.. to keep the confusion of right heir alive they made it up like Dury+100 were from the first conception of Gandhari #1



I have read that Dhrit actually had 11 wives, all from gandhar (maybe all sisters)
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashne


See nobody in MB, takes responsibility for their actions. I think they could have helped. They could have been the neutral party.




Royal bloods busy in their own life and duties.. can you believe Kunti could easily cover up her full term pregnancy from her father living in the women's quarters.. so that was their life style I guess..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

I have a query. When normal human pregnancy lasts for not more than ten months, how did Gandhari make it possible that she carried the foetus for an year, then waited for Kunti to get pregnant & deliver yudhi & then she delivered a meat ball which after an year became Ks? What if Dury actually was elder to Yudhi?



I think Dury would have ruled the kingdom with different Pandavas assuming different positions, for example Arjuna as Senapati etc etc ( Assuming Yudisthira had no desire to rule the kingdom )
Edited by TheWatcher - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashne



I have read that Dhrit actually had 11 wives, all from gandhar (maybe all sisters)



yes the Kumbakonam edition mentions 11 Gandharis but KMG does not explicitly say so when the marriage is narrated.. but later on he does address this blindfold Gandhari as his eldest wife and Dury as her eldest son..

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