Fall from grace! A new beginning. - Page 4

Originally posted by: beagleboy

@An -Totally agree with you here. Shravan is too self possessed to see beyond Shravan. And as I said, he could not have guessed that he released Frankenstein in Aditya. And you are correct to point out intent, which is very important in the eyes of law, as is the difference between a moral crime and a real crime. But I still cannot ignore the fact that Shravan started something that set off a chain of reactions, and so my point is, if Shravan were to feel guilty tomorrow, if he were to feel responsible for the crime tomorrow, he would be justified. And just as I cannot absolve Aditya of the crime, I cannot absolve Shravan either of his pervasive behaviour. I concede that your argument on the hitman example is correct and it was a poor example, but inadvertently Shravan did hand Aditya the gun and Aditya, in his madness, pulled the trigger.

The serial aside-

Don't you think that we, as a society collectively, spend a lot of time in trying to place the blame on something or someone, rather than focusing on the crime and the reason for the crime. If you look at what Aditya said (and I have not watched it), he said she was not 'sanskaari', and so it was his right to get intimate with her, and hence he thought it was ok to molest her. But this behaviour, this preposterous thinking stems from the society or sections of it, does it not? It stems from antiquated notions of women and the gender debate which is skewed in favour of men. Why do men treat women as objects, playthings? Even in the West, women get wolf whistles, why not men? Why objectify women and not men? In India, despite the huge public outcry when rapes happen, despite the loud media campaigns, why do we have such a large rate of reported and yet more unreported cases of rape, domestic violence, sexual abuse and other crimes against women? Despite the fact that women enjoy greater freedoms in India than some countries in the world, is India or parts of it safe? Is the gender bias in our society so entrenched that despite noisy hard hitting campaigns in favour of women, and condoning crime against women, a great number of women find that their conditions have not yet improved?

Originally posted by: an_chau

Whoa, now you have opened a whole Pandora's box here, Beagle! Answering this needs some serious time and concentration, which is difficult ATM (stealing time off work, guys! 😉)
But I will respond to that, because I think it's way too important a topic given the world that we live in today.

Love your posts and your way with words, Beagle!

Originally posted by: -Pine-

Its indian tv🤣everything works out...shravan loves suman...suman love shravan bas...dono ki shaadi..

And the leads aren't all that bad yaar😳 well except Aditya maybe🤔 but indian serials has shown more butchered characters than these two..and actually the whole thing about shravan and suman relationship that I like is that they create misunderstandings themselves from either their inability to understand each other or communicate. It doesn't mean they don't love each other but they simply have to learn to live for each other

Originally posted by: nith125

Poppy, have you seen the new spoilers about Shraman marriage and Ramnath becoming more negative(for lack of a better word) ? I am disturbed by them 💔

Originally posted by: Roshni2015

Popps,

Did Aditya for a sec think maybe Shravan said this to spite him.. After all that was what he had been doing so long... Did he ask Sumo about it? He said that she isn't sanskari n he isn't interested in wedding... Only interest was in doing the deed... Gosh... He has been only lusting for her since the beginning... Love, my foot... I would have still understood if he asked her even once if it's the truth... No... He is like you are not sanskari implying you have done it before so why not now... Damn... A no means a no, buddy... But your thick head doesn't register it...

No matter what Shravan said... It can't bring about molestation or physical assault as a reaction... Say ShraMan had done it... Then what? Aditya would molest her saying you did it before, it's not new to you... Is that so...

I agree absolutely what Shravan said was wrong... He needs to repent fir his words... But he is in no way responsible for what Aditya does...

I agree that all three of them are grey... I said this yesterday.. That's what I love in the show... Characters aren't white, nobody is a saint... That's what makes it real n human.

Shravan's fall from grace is a new beginning... From here on would be his journey towards redemption... Im very interested to see how it unfolds..

Originally posted by: 3serialfan40

Yes I agree with you what Shravan did was wrong and remains wrong But Nothing justifies what Aditya tried to do!

Originally posted by: poppinss

Hey Nith! I know what you mean by written 10 pages. If only EDKV were our subject our thoughts and rants would flow to infinity 😆😆

Isn't this Sasur bahu saazish the latest invention of Indian tele. I think Sony and the PH are being modern in adapting to this theme. After all the mother is the sinner in the neighborhood, so we better be different.

Having said that... EDKV is so darned different from all other shows! I would love to see the dynmics of Ramu and Kameeney when it comes to Sumo. My worry is not for Sumo but really for Preeti... she is the true bakra here 😃 She has a husband with no backbone to boot.

I would not be too worried about the spoiler. Ramu would come around with time. I would really be worried about Shravan right now... when the truth comes out in front of everyone and Sumo's character is tarnished. And to Sumo's credit she warned Ramu ki Apka beta bahut ziddi hai, khayal rakiyega.

From the spoilers I am hoping this happens... Sumo refuses marrying Shravan after the truth is out. She would not bother defending herself... would be too numb. Poor girl. People are going to say things about her and Shravan is going to just do something and marry her.

And Shraman need to understand each other. I am pretty fed up off all the external influences breaking them apart... especially Shravan's deeds. About time Shravan grows up or let them drift apart. A divorce may not be such a bad thing to happen maybe 😆😆

Originally posted by: poppinss

Todays episode brought out the bad in all 3 leads Shravan, Sumo and Adi.

Sumo for going ahead with a marriage where she could not bear the touch of her fiance. All for family and Nanu. What about the guy, his family, his feelings? Dead wood is not the right way my girl! She may have started the course of the events. But the results are not of her making and she is a victim for one more day... before she turns into Sumo and starts being a little selfish. Hopefully 😃

Aditya, in his defense he does try to talk to Sumo and she does not talk to him. He goes into her room and he tries to tie her dori and she tells him "Yeh kya battameezi" What would she do on Suhag rath? Then comes the crude part. He is more interested in the sex part than the marriage. Crude... but it also conveys the fact that she has no interest in him. Adi knows that. a honorable man would have called off the wedding. But the venom that Shravan filled in him makes him do something that is disgusting and deplorable.

Shravan, the less said about this Teda Shravan the better. How, he uses Sumo as a tool to get back at Adi and Nirmala. He compromises his friendship, his friend and puts her in a dangerous situation. Why? For daring to reject him? His act is no less disgusting or deplorable than Adi. This is the teda Shravan's naked face.

The young Shravan in his letter asks Sumo...Is this love?

We come back to the same question with Shravan. What he feels for Sumo after 10 years, is this love? The party where he insults her, Khosla he let her go but saves her in the nth minute, with Nirmala, anger and rage, PCT he blasts her without listening to her, Accident had he warned her she wouldn't have met with the accident. He has not understood Suman at all. He has taken her trust and faith in him for granted. But she has always waited for him all the way through.. for him to come around... till he called her friendship "Kokli Dosti" That day he closed all channels between them... maybe she would have gone back to him then too... waited for him. But fate happened.

His insecurities are blinding him, the day Lalaji was talking to him about friendship, Shravan could not look at himself in the mirror. He could not bear what he has become, what he has lost, losing. He was ashamed of the teda Shravan.

But, till recently no matter what his fault Sumo always came back to him. Even tomorrow she is going to run to him. Will he realize anything? Or is it too late?

A long time back Sumo said... that she could forget this new Shravan... but could never forget her sweet friend of their school days. Shravan, with what he has done today has crossed that line and indeed is going to make her regret her friendship 😭.

He has truly lost Sumo now... She can be right next to him, but he would be no better than an Adi to her. Because this is not the Shravan that she loved. Indifference is the word that Shravan should really be scared of now.

Its now time for Shravan to understand what Sumo said after the party insult. "Mein kya hun aur tum kya ho!" Time to understand who Suman / Sumo really is... the part that he never knew even in his school days. The part that he never asked her about.

And for those of you who justify Shravan. An accomplice to murder does not go without punishment. If Adi tried to rape Sumo physically Shravan has purposefully spewed enough venom in Adi. Willfully let Sumo get hurt. I compare Shravans act to Inception, of how a thought is planted in a person's mind, willfully, knowing where that could lead. Shravan deliberately planted that thought in Adithya's mind. He set the dice rolling...

Imagine if Adi had managed the same feat after marriage in their suhag raath then? Shravan sowed the doubt of infidelity of Sumo in Adi's mind... deliberately and decides to not bother about the consequences. This would not be acceptable to any man in any part of the world. The reactions might differ but Shravan with what he said and implied, did irreparable damage not just to the woman but also put her in danger. This is going to haunt him for a long time.

Shravan Malhotra's fall from grace is infact the beginning of the new chapter.

Understanding that this is not Sumo's Shravan and making an effort to get there... We are going to hopefully see Ramu's Shravan's journey towards Suman and discovering her in the process. Trusting Suman with his life, the same way she used to...

I am looking forward to this journey of him making her his friend again. Can he now?