Fall from grace! A new beginning. - Page 5

Originally posted by: nith125

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Beautiful post Poppinns ! Much needed.

I was getting tired of Sumo vs Shravan so now the CVs have helped us move on to Sumo vs Shravan vs Adithya 😉

Suman : Honestly what is she trying to do ? You don't want to talk to the guy. His touch is unbearable and yet she choses to go ahead with the wedding ? There is no one to blame for that. I really felt bad for Sumo when Naanu forced her, but I expected Sumo to be honest with Adithya that she will need time after marriage because she was not ready for this and that she is doing it for Naanu. She doesn't have to tell him anything about Shravan, not that there was something in the first place.

Does Sumo think that if she gets married and her extended family moves to the USA no one is going to know how she is ? I understand she is broken but girl this is so not done. What happens if the very Naanu for whom she is doing this comes to know after the wedding that she agreed because of him, what will happen to him ? Or does she think she can put on a facade for the rest of her life ?

I am a Sumo person through and through but this is her fault, completely.

Shravan : Its high time he stops getting manipulated by every Tom,Dick and Harry. Kabhi Ramnath, Kabhi kamini, Kabhi Nirmala toh kabhi Adithya. At this rate even I can manipulate him. What is the point of ordering Tulips from Europe when you have thrown your relationship under the bus ? I am done talking about him after about 10 pages of ranting yesterday.

Adithya : So this is it. This is the real Adithya, the monster won huh ? He doesn't stop to think at all. I don't think he is even human. Forget the sixth sense, I don't think he even has one sense. The lesser said about him the better. A 2 year old can understand what a "yes" is and what a "no" is . If he can't then he is in need of treatment, be it in jail or in an institution.

The point though is the "Sumo ka Shravan & Shravan ki Sumo" , they both aren't there anymore.

What happened to them ? They are lost, they may survive but they will not be complete.

But this is necessary. Shravan will have to learn to trust. And Sumo will have to throw out the feeling that she is an abla nari who will sacrifice her entire life for her family or her feeling of indebtedness.

They cannot be life partners or even good friends till they learn to communicate.They both have limited listening abilities and excess speaking abilities. Time they changed. Time they started again.

"Begin and the beginning and go on till you come to the end and then stop."

Originally posted by: an_chau

Sorry Poppins, but these are dark lanes that we are walking through now... By calling Shravan responsible for what Aditya did, we are giving entitled people like Aditya Ahuja a whole bunch of fig leaves to hide behind.

Slightly going off on a tangent here, but tell me this: Can anything/anyone ever be responsible for sexual assault other than the perpetrator? NO.

Today, we say Shravan made Aditya force himself on Suman, tomorrow someone else might come up with a different trigger. It just opens the floodgates for shifting the blame away from the assaulter.

Shravan was wrong to say what he did. (I'd say that even if the two had really shared a physical relationship, Shravan would still have no right to share it with someone without Sumo's consent). Period. He cannot use Nirmala and Aditya's behavior toward him to justify his words and escape the consequence of his actions. He used Sumo. Yes. He should have hell to pay. Absolutely yes!

But is he responsible for Aditya's monstrosity? No. That action is totally owned by Aditya.

Why?

Because only Aditya (not Shravan) could've changed the outcome by choosing not to act in the way he did.

Sorry Poppins, have spent some years volunteering with sexual assault and domestic violence organizations, and couldn't stem the flow of emotions.

I know this is a fictional show, but the people discussing the scenarios here on the forum are very much real. And we shape the real world we live in.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings today.

Originally posted by: an_chau

Whoa, now you have opened a whole Pandora's box here, Beagle! Answering this needs some serious time and concentration, which is difficult ATM (stealing time off work, guys! 😉)
But I will respond to that, because I think it's way too important a topic given the world that we live in today.

Love your posts and your way with words, Beagle!

Originally posted by: --Amulya--

@poppins,

Aditya, he tried and retried many times all over to clarify his doubts... how can he cancel his wedding based on doubts, so he din't and kept trying until the end to know the truth in which he disastrously failed... many might bash me here but whatever Adi did is in his anger and when he cools down how would he be able to face himself... he isn't a bad guy to start with who finally became this and even guys can be sensitive... If in reality this all happens to a guy like Aditya, he might end himself as now even his mom would hate him...

Human emotions are so complex to decipher... and many might feel I'm supporting Adi but I'm not... actually I can't as I've a really bad memory for myself... this track is too depressing, I think I should avoid tomorrow's episode

I'm glad that Suman is so strong and is able to go back to her old-self... but experiences like these leave a scarring effect on any girl's life... Will she be okay even when Shravan's truth will be out in the open?? I don't think so as most girls give more importance to the relations made by heart overtime...

Originally posted by: nith125

I am so not for marriage to happen. Sumo is going to be so numb, they want to break her like they broke Shravan 10 years back but I hate the way Cvs went about it. I am so tired of marriage being projected as the cure all. In fact I think the marriage in the current state will do them both more harm than good. So much more to tell but have to go now, the innumerable joys of parenting 😛

Originally posted by: 3serialfan40

yes Human emotions are hard to decipher! But what aditya has done is criminal! if he walks away he will be loved by everyone on his side at least and to an extent even the Tiwaris will accept it. But this is why he needs to end hi life. ending a life over love is stupid and self centered! But after what he is trying to do we use one less love life in this world! A "No" is a "No"! Its a simple word, it is simple to understand and 99% of the time difficult to accept! He can and would have been great if he left. Kamini's one sentence was enough to set him off. he went from loving her to being suspicious of her, so regardless of whether or not Shravan said or dis not say, he was on a wrong track! Shravan was the straw that broke the camel's back! When women start taking a stance against this, men will follow the rules, if even once we accept that perhaps he was pushed it will remain the epidemic it is!

Shravan is wrong too there is not doubt about it, he set about to destroy her life, but this is worse!

Originally posted by: Roshni2015

Originally posted by: poppinss

Both are wrong. No two ways about it.

But we can apply the same statement to both. One rapes physically and the other morally and psychologically!!

Originally posted by: poppinss

Why do you think sexual assault need to be only physical? Shravan tarnishes a girls character, her fidelity. Fully knowing the consequences. I understand how terrible sexual assaults can be... and Adi no doubt is disgusting in his behavior.

But what others and I are trying to say is that Shravan intelligently played his pieces, he planted the seed of doubt in Adi that he knew would have far reaching consequences to Adi, Nirmala and also Sumo. With that one action he even breaks his promise to Nanu. Adi is a non entity. But Shravan is family. This is the worst kind of moral or psychological rape a person could go through. So to me Shravan is a bigger sinner because he had the following choices, Stop the marriage by talking to Sumo, not talk bad to Adi or avoid him. But he opted to go with his hate and in the process brought the house of cards tumbling down.

No hurt feelings, no sorry needed 😃. We all have our views and we can cheerfully agree to disagree. At the end this is just a show. But this incident in real life is the worst kind of tragedy!!