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Posted: 13 years ago
#21
i am liking the peaceful way people are discussing here..if only this behaviour we could see elsewhere too...i am liking the healthy discussion..kudos to all👏

as for the thread..i have left nothing to say...as all have said what needs to be said...as a fan of the show..i do agree Cvs can do much more better than this..i mean people are starved for some kinda development...twists for the sake of it is not good for show's health!! yeah if each twist is justified then its ok...

i agree am a fan of raghav..and wanna see raghav and sia togather very much

but i too like to see some good happening to Viraj's charechter so that he can see what he is doing and what his reactions cause to the society..
repeated story line and dialougues doesnt make sense its not working actually even the actors might find it as repetitve and bored
..and i am so sad that on raghav front the story is stagnating..cause at the end..stagnation anywhere leads to decomposition

and what to say about Jhanvi..CVs where never showing any wise thing in her charechter development...she is show beating the bush in different ways..they need to put there heads togather and brainstorm a solution which will show all the three leads in proper way so that some kind of justice is served to the story...charecters...even society to an extent

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Posted: 13 years ago
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everyone's given such fantastic responses and covered evrything so beautifully that i will merely be echoing what has already being said... so pls bear with me.. 😳

In fact, by sharing this attitude, society supports and permits the abuser to commit violence against his victim and avoid any responsibility for his actions.

society is a male dominated society... men r always forgiven for whatever deeds they commit.. DV victims r expected to bear the abuse... willingly and not do anything... in jhanvi's case.. she was criticised and called all sorts of worthless things.. just coz she escaped from her abusive marriage, asked for help from another man who was willing to help her... alcoholics, drug abusers all are provided help to help them overcome their problems... but in the case of domestic violence, rape, bride burning why shdnt people ask for help... even the latter r victims and need treatment and a strong support system to help them move on with life.. dont they?? 😕

The victim is blamed and held responsible for running away -- even if staying back destroys her.

that is the most ironic part... the victim and not the abuser.. is blamed for her situation.. i have heard some people lament.. why didnt jhanvi treat her husband... she got married to him... she shd have stayed with him instead of running away... she isnt a faithful wife.. excuse me!!!!!!!!!!! v also wasnt a faithful husband... the adulterer hooked up with not one but two women and was abt to get married to one.. when he learned that his *wife* was alive..it was only then that he came running like a obsessed mad man.. yet everyone tends to overlook that..

The same victim is now being called slimy and a cheat for using less-than-squeaky-clean methods to get rid of her abuser

i really dont see how jhanvi wud have been able to use squeaky clean methods... for one v is physically stronger than her.. so she cant use force nor can she ask others ( in this case raghav) to use force on v... v is not a doodh pita baccha.. that he needs to be thrashed and asked to behave.. a sound thrashing will in fact only worsen his character and make him more dangerous.. second jhanvi cannot defeat v mentally.. he is much superior in intelligence to her... so what other *squeaky clean method* can she use?? komolika rightly summed evrything in yesti's epi.. when she referred to v as a highly intelligent criminal

Why should she have to adhere to such high moral standards?

this is a really sad and ironical fact of our society... the women shd show high moral standards... after all they r indian women who r expected to treat their husband as their *parmeshwar*... how can someone leave their parmeshwar?? but everyone turns a blind eye to the fact.. that the * parmeshwar* is the total opposite to the title being bestowed on him..

Either way, she's in danger and her mental state is barely ever paid attention to when she is critisized.

in the case of this show... this is entirely the fault of the cvs... who chose to ignore jhanvi's plight and instead chose to highlight v's comeback... v is married to jhanvi so he has a right to have her back is everyone's excuse.. he faked evrything.. his memory loss, his bankruptcy only to have his * jaan* back... so he is seen as the *poor husband* who * just wants his wife back*... jhanvi is just starting to leave her past behind, her pain, her ghutan so expecting her to react like a head strong woman who wont cry and react like a bimbo is just 🤢
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Never blamed J or even R , just the unrealistic apporch towards story irritate me to core. At this point of time cant take luv story even though it one sided. Find this too early to happen in reality . The reason which i cant connect to ragaahvi . And will stick this pov as every have their own. Yes R is ideal for J and only he is the who can keep her happy after the hell of torture she suffered at hands of V.
Never justified V s action , had some sympathy due to his mental illness and abusive past (even then also said he should be punished as mental illness or any past troubles gives anyone lisence to harm others).Now nothing can redeem him and want him severly punished.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aya.

First off, Jhanvi is a liar like it or not. A lie is a lie no matter what the reason is.
In that sense, I believe that we're all liars. That's human enough.
But I suppose you're talking about the bigger lies that she told? Because in that sense, I'd say that when you're dealing with a victim who hasn't dealt with her PTSD yet, who's been through what Jahnvi has, lying becomes a way of self-preservation.
When she refused to tell the Singhs the truth -- even though that she was fighting with her conscience on the matter as she did want to expose V -- it was for self-preservation. That she couldn't deal with it, at that point. That she was too weak. That she was too unstable, emotionally, psychologically. That she was still afraid. She found excuses to console her own heart -- like, they're all so happy and she didn't want to destroy their happiness, and maybe V really had changed.
This is not something out of character for a victim. In fact, it's quite in character. What was most important to her -- because she was unable to deal with her situation, because she'd been unprepared for V's return emotionally/psychologically -- was to protect herself.
I'm not saying that she was right to ignore the danger that she put everyone else in, but I won't say that she was wrong to protect/self-preserve herself either. Considering her very traumatic state of mind at the time, she wasn't in any condition to make the right choices, or deal for that matter. We're talking about a victim who's had less than a month to digest the fact that she'd escaped her abusive husband -- and she hadn't even reached the real stage of a possible healing process. No, she was still afraid of running into V around every single corner, of waking up to find him in her room.
There are a lot of things that I wouldn't do what Jhanvi did like, changing your name or whatever unrealistic thing she did, because you are who you are. Changing your name will not make you a "different" person.
I understand your point. But sometimes it's easier to start afresh with a new identity. The kind of scars Jahnvi has on her mind and soul, they're not easy to forget. Perhaps Jahnvi is someone weak to Sia. Perhaps Jahnvi reminds her of V and every time that he called her "jaan". There can be many reasons as to why she'd change her name.
But one of the reasons that I suppose they showed her changing her name was to protect her identity in case V tried to find her. Which was clever. V did show up at the ashram several times, looking for "Jahnvi", and he was misled only because Jahnvi had changed her name to "Sia". There was protection in that, so I think that it had very little to do with her personality-alteration at that point.
Yes, now it's a matter of person as well. She isn't the same woman as she was before. In fact, she has changed a lot. But note that it's a matter of defying V as much as it's a matter of having an identity of her own that was never in possession of V.
About Priya's case, she is to blame, because her dad already warned her about Viraj, but no ! She still decided to meet him.
But she isn't to blame for the abuse that V put her through or that she was sent to an asylum by him. V could've chosen to walk away from her, or ask her to leave him alone. There are alternative ways to handle "betrayal" other than abusing someone or sending them to asylums.
There's nothing wrong in wanting help & seeking support. I don't care if Raghav-Sia decide to get married or Raghav helping Sia all the time, but please ! Just do it in a realistic way, so victims can actually know what to do ! Not this fake marriage crap. That's what's making me & others mad. Nothing is done realistically, or let's just say the RIGHT/TRUTHFUL way !
This is a debate I've had with a few others before as well. In the end, it's a fictional show and twists have to be introduced in order to keep it running. I think that this fake marriage track has been executed well so far -- compared to how forced marriage tracks and fake marriage tracks on other shows are executed, mostly without much reason, except that the female lead must be punished by the male lead because she humiliated him.
Here, it's a plan made by Komolika to put V out of control by stealing away his most prized possession -- the one thing that's almost as much obsessed about as he is with himself. Psychologically, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Had they gotten married for real, then that would've been unrealistic, because Sia is in no way ready to commit herself to another man. She has way too many demons to fight as of yet.

Aya, it was nice to read your thoughts on the topic. Thanks for sharing :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Elysia, I'm glad you brought this topic up for discussion. I do agree with you that a victim of DV should be empathized with more.

But the criticism is about the portrayal of Jahnavi's character, which is neither realistic nor one which leads to resolution i.e. set a good example for other victims of DV.

Not even the most ardent fan of Viraj (KVB) on this forum approves of Viraj's actions and thought process.

The only problem is the CVs of this show have given the same characteristics (that we all object to in Viraj) to all the other characters, who are supposed to play a positive role.

That's where the confusion lies and also the flaws.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wow this is extremely disturbing and in a way hurtful as well... I never realised that Janvi was being called all those names... are those people like really serious!!
Does any one realise what it is to go through what Janvi has gone through... it takes a lot... to get ur self back... such people will never become normal ever... and if at all they do become then it takes a lot of courage and help...
In janvi's case it was very obvious right from the time she left Viraj's house... the poor girl could not make a full sentence without stammering... that just goes to show how she must have suffered...
I have always said this... Janvi is human... just like any woman who goes through DV... they deserve to smile, they deserve to sleep peacefully... they deserve to live a life... bcoz when God made humans He made them all equal with equal rights... so just bcoz Viraj is obessed and claims to "love" janvi.. does not make him right... does not make every wrong action of his right! NO !!!! NEVER!!!!
Why would anyone sympathise with a guy life Viraj... he deserves nothing but punishment... nothing but suffering! When Janvi "died"... what did he do ... he tried to "make" another janvi... only bcoz it turned out that she was actually misusing him... he decided to leave her... not just leave her... he put her in a mental asylum ... had that girl "become" janvi under his training... he would never bother thinking of his own wife... so where is the "love" that he claims he has...
It is really shocking and sad that people actually feel sorry for Viraj but not for Janvi...
Well I for one... dont care what methods and plans Janvi makes as Sia... I will support her... to get to Viraj.. if Sia has to lie, cheat, and steal...or even fake her own wedding ... I dont care...
After all you use a thorn to remove a thorn ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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To Prime and Criticaleyes...I appreciate your replies, they give another PoV to this thread as do Butterfly's and Aya's. What I write will be aimed at the responses of the former...

Firstly, what really is realistic? Do any of us here, whether we have experienced any of what Jhanvi has gone through or not, have the right to decide what can happen in real life and what doesn't? Real life is no quick and simple list of things that will simply occur from day to day -- it's way more complex than that. Real life is a different ball game for different people.

Some say Jhanvi going back to Viraaj is unrealistic...but Stockholm Syndrome exists. Some say Jhanvi changing her name is unrealistic, Mr. Awasti being a lech is unrealistic (though I myself have heard of cases where kids have been sexually abused by their parents, rescued by social workers/authorities and placed in foster homes, only to find themselves raped there as well...will you call that unrealistic too?), Jhanvi staying in the ashram or taking up a job in the Singh house is unrealistic, Raghav being friends with Jhanvi and falling for her is unrealistic (though of course, may I add that branding this an extramarital affair isn't?). What I don't understand is how it's possible to assume that it can never happen. Storywise, you might not exactly like the idea or it may have been done in a serial or two prior, but that doesn't make it 'unrealistic', and I believe we don't exactly have the right to say that, when the same 'unrealism' allegation has never been passed on Viraaj. Acknowledged silently, maybe, but never ever used against him.

Viraaj spending money like water on getting people in trouble, despite his own admission in a Double V scene that he'd lost his company -- unrealistic, but hardly ever brought up.

People simply paving the way for him, even in Gurgaon, and joining him at the drop of a hat -- unrealistic, also hardly brought up. You can fool all of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time! 😆

Viraaj being able to do - and enjoy - some of the more 'dirty' things he does (his whole obsession with cockroaches), despite the OCPD which would in real life make him want to wash his finger a hundred times possibly -- also unrealistic, but never brought up.

Viraaj getting away with his misdeeds EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. SINCE. CHILDHOOD -- not very realistic either...maybe realism is expected only out of Jhanvi, then? 😊

Granted, even if by your standards, Jhanvi's portrayal and the portrayal of her fight is unreal -- does it still make the names she's been called, and blame that's been dumped on her even before she met Raghav at all...right? Because we can't deny that she's been judged for her actions ever since she stopped trusting Viraaj and ran out of the house...ie. immediately after she left him. For instance, should a mere friendship she has with someone who happens to be a man, be called an extramarital affair even prior to either of them offering the possibility of a relationship or accepting it? Is that fair?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aya.

First off, Jhanvi is a liar like it or not. A lie is a lie no matter what the reason is.
Now, about the comments that have been made, I would run away too if I was in Jhanvi's position, I wouldn't wanna fight a man, because let's face it, women are weak in that position. He'll hit you so hard that you wouldn't be able to move, so there's no point in "fighting" him.

There are a lot of things that I wouldn't do what Jhanvi did like, changing your name or whatever unrealistic thing she did, because you are who you are. Changing your name will not make you a "different" person. Jhanvi doesn't need to treat Viraj, because she already tried, but he deceived her & he's really not sick. I used to think he was, but I was wrong. I think the show makers just wanted to sell their story using DV & OCPD.

About Priya's case, she is to blame, because her dad already warned her about Viraj, but no ! She still decided to meet him.

There's nothing wrong in wanting help & seeking support. I don't care if Raghav-Sia decide to get married or Raghav helping Sia all the time, but please ! Just do it in a realistic way, so victims can actually know what to do ! Not this fake marriage crap. That's what's making me & others mad. Nothing is done realistically, or let's just say the RIGHT/TRUTHFUL way !

Yes, a girl like Sia deserves happiness & love, but not like this. It's usually takes time for a victim to heal, but no ! Everything is rushed & a bit too early !

You shouldn't hit anyone no matter what the reason is, but people just do so, because they think they are superior & powerful. It's just how they are raised & that's what they grew up learning. Your environment, everything that surrounds you, people, kids, even animals, they all effect your life ! But once your grown, you are responsible for what you do & what you say.

I really hate it how in India people say that a women should stay with her husband, obey him & worship him, like wth ?! If a man doesn't respect his wife, then she doesn't deserve to live with him. She can divorce him & leave. Period ! Who gives a crap what society says ?! I hate it how people (mostly in India) just brag without knowing crap. Like seriously, mind your own business !

I would do whatever it takes to protect myself, but not put others lives in danger. Jhanvi isn't in Manali anymore. Viraj doesn't own Gurgaon. She can SPEAK UP ! She can ask for help from anyone ! A doctor, lawyer, a cop, anyone ! She can run away to a different country with Raghav's help instead of playing this cat & mouse game. Just because you run away from something, it doesn't mean you're a coward. I'd rather run away then try to play silly games with an abuser. A victim would never want to see her abuser's face ! This Raghav-Sia-Viraj "fight" & punishing Viraj is seriously boring me to death. What goes around comes around. If you can't defeat him, someone else will stand up & show him his place.

Anyway, sorry for jotting everything down like this. I'm a bit in a hurry, but I hope I've made sense ! : )

Very interesting post Aya.

You are right Sia did lie…everyone does….but that does not make the person to bad person. I think many victims lies….especially to them self.

I think she change her name because she hated who she had become…sometime to start over, you start with change in your look.

Jhanvi changing her name and her identity– there are two reasons for that. Viraj not be able to find her and because of self-hate and to be able to start over. You are right changing your name does not change you, unless you also try to change from inside out…but Jhanvi did what many do, think that changing name and look will help taking the pain and self-hate away.

About Priya, she was young and the track was about how very young girls fell for dominate and older men, without knowing what they are getting them self in to.

About the fake marriage: It is a drama…so unrealistic think will happen. There has to be suspense and twist in a story.

Also…I think there reason was convincing enough.

It was not Raghav or Sia's idea, it was a doctor who got this interesting and challenging patient…she is resurging. The question is, how much does she care for Raghav or Sia…maybe it is more about Viraj being a challenge for her.

About running away…The fact is that violent men or obsessives men do not leave you, unless you are dead. So running away again, would not be a solution for Sia.

Viraj will find her and keep finding her, because it is about his pride and he loves the hunt.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

To Prime and Criticaleyes...I appreciate your replies, they give another PoV to this thread as do Butterfly's and Aya's. What I write will be aimed at the responses of the former...


Firstly, what really is realistic? Do any of us here, whether we have experienced any of what Jhanvi has gone through or not, have the right to decide what can happen in real life and what doesn't? Real life is no quick and simple list of things that will simply occur from day to day -- it's way more complex than that. Real life is a different ball game for different people.

Some say Jhanvi going back to Viraaj is unrealistic...but Stockholm Syndrome exists. Some say Jhanvi changing her name is unrealistic, Mr. Awasti being a lech is unrealistic (though I myself have heard of cases where kids have been sexually abused by their parents, rescued by social workers/authorities and placed in foster homes, only to find themselves raped there as well...will you call that unrealistic too?), Jhanvi staying in the ashram or taking up a job in the Singh house is unrealistic, Raghav being friends with Jhanvi and falling for her is unrealistic (though of course, may I add that branding this an extramarital affair isn't?). What I don't understand is how it's possible to assume that it can never happen. Storywise, you might not exactly like the idea or it may have been done in a serial or two prior, but that doesn't make it 'unrealistic', and I believe we don't exactly have the right to say that, when the same 'unrealism' allegation has never been passed on Viraaj. Acknowledged silently, maybe, but never ever used against him.

Viraaj spending money like water on getting people in trouble, despite his own admission in a Double V scene that he'd lost his company -- unrealistic, but hardly ever brought up.

People simply paving the way for him, even in Gurgaon, and joining him at the drop of a hat -- unrealistic, also hardly brought up. You can fool all of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time! 😆

Viraaj being able to do - and enjoy - some of the more 'dirty' things he does (his whole obsession with cockroaches), despite the OCPD which would in real life make him want to wash his finger a hundred times possibly -- also unrealistic, but never brought up.

Viraaj getting away with his misdeeds EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. SINCE. CHILDHOOD -- not very realistic either...maybe realism is expected only out of Jhanvi, then? 😊

Granted, even if by your standards, Jhanvi's portrayal and the portrayal of her fight is unreal -- does it still make the names she's been called, and blame that's been dumped on her even before she met Raghav at all...right? Because we can't deny that she's been judged for her actions ever since she stopped trusting Viraaj and ran out of the house...ie. immediately after she left him. For instance, should a mere friendship she has with someone who happens to be a man, be called an extramarital affair even prior to either of them offering the possibility of a relationship or accepting it? Is that fair?


I don't know in what context, which names were called and by whom. But, certainly as listed by you (out of context), the referred to name-calling of Jahnavi sounds abominable.

Regarding what is realistic and what is not, the whole serial is unrealistic. But, at the outset, the most unrealistic part of Jahnavi's journey is her landing up at lavish homes, always with lots of nice clothes to wear AND so many nice people who love her and respect her. I wish this happened in reality.

The other aspects I won't get into as we'd waste time arguing at cross purposes.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: butterfly15..

I don't blame Jhanvi for the things Viraj has done as she can't control the things he does.
Even when she stayed with him after all the abuse, I still didn't think she was wrong, as many people in real life stay with the one that abuses them, so it was a realistic approach by the writers.

Jhanvi could use underhand tactics or whatever to show Viraj's true colours to everyone. That's not what bothers me.
But what I don't like about her is that sometimes she doesn't think about the consequences of her actions in relation to other people.
It's fine if she's looking out for herself, and trying to save her life and whatever else, I say good for her. It's about time she tried to stand up to Viraj and move on with her life. It's also fine if she needs and wants help from others.

But what I can't excuse is that she, knowingly, puts others at risk for her own safety.

I know that she isn't in the best of mental states at the moment, but that's not an excuse for her to put others at risk.

I'll always go back to the point that she hid that Viraj is her husband from Raghav's family from the beginning, and she did it for her own sake. It was selfish. She came before everyone elses safety. She should've told the truth.
I mean if any one of us allowed a woman to stay in our house, the least we would expect her to do is tell us if we have a dangerous man living in our house(most likely because of her) so we could protect ourselves and the kids in the house. Would we easily forgive her for putting all of our lives and our families lives in danger, when she could have prevented it? I doubt it would be that easy.
Besides I think her telling the truth would have been better for her.

I don't hate Jhanvi, or think she is a wh**e and whatever else. But she makes some big mistakes, at least in my opinion. I also don't think she is to blame for Viraj's actions, but she should at least think about her own actions, and sometimes realise that she makes things worse for herself rather than better.


Much appreciated 😊 I agree with you on one thing: by not telling the family, and by falling for V's innocent act, J actually made things so tough for herself there is no way she can come out of this looking good at all. Quite simple really: she neglected to tell them this uncomfortable truth about herself because in part she felt afraid to, and in part because she didn't know what to make of this man who looked like V but didn't act an ounce like him. But none of that makes her sneaky, slimy or manipulative (you certainly may not have said this, but the fact that it's been said on this forum and outside can't be denied). It makes her slow on the uptake, confused, slightly fickle, and more inclined to being passive and hoping the problem goes 'poof!'. And yes, selfish to a certain degree, and DEFINITELY not the best person to make a plan!

You'll need to remember, though, that the entire time that she wasn't seriously trying to spill the beans to the Singhs, she was at once experiencing serious triggers from his arrival, and wondering if by throwing the man out on the basis of something he might not even remember would be doing him an injustice. That can't be an easy situation to deal with. You can't deny, either, that Viraaj was milking this situation for all it was worth and gleefully pushing all those buttons in her psyche marked 'vulnerable'.

At this early stage, Jhanvi wasn't even in a position to get herself out of her belief that she was helpless, that V had too much power for her to handle, that she wouldn't be believed because look at how her family fell for every trap he made and he still came out smelling of roses. So the only time frame I can really take into account while trying to evaluate this at all, is what she attempted to do after she knew for sure that Viraaj was faking it, which was when she spoke to Ashram didi:

1. She saw Krish playing with Viraaj and took him away as soon as she could manage, upon which she accidentally dropped the note
2. At this stage, she still doesn't have a concrete plan she can use yet, so she acts normal.
3. Shortly after this, Viraaj confirms her belief, after which she makes it clear to him that she isn't interested and immediately after, is interrupted every time she tries and tells the truth to Komal who is the only person in the house.
4. Viraaj foils just about every attempt to tell someone, until finally she decides to run to Raghav's garage and tell him the entire truth.
5. Now both have to contemplate how to get rid of Viraaj without the family getting harmed, therefore they have to keep the fact that Raghav knows, a secret -- after which, we see the kidnapping track which was performed in the hope of nabbing him as a criminal -- foiled by the quick capture of Raghav and the CD getting lost in the mad escape.
6. As Komolika's dialogue yesterday revealed, she decided on trying to get evidence collected so that she could get a divorce done, but Komolika obviously was never able to grab hold of any of those tapes.
7. After which...everything became this huge, complicated mess.

There are the facts for you...until the moment she didn't know for sure that she was very possibly throwing out a man who had no idea who he was or what he had done, and who seemed to have changed so much even she was getting convinced -- and you're also talking about a Jhanvi prior to the conversation with Gayathri. For all you know, she could have been fearing that if she revealed all, she would be sent back, his memory would recover one day and she'd be in deep trouble again. Given the way this was so well-played and Jhanvi was to an extent fooled as well, why is she the only one being blamed?

The moment she did find out however, she attempted a number of things, so I'm not sure I can agree she knowingly sat there and did nothing.

No one's saying that what she did was the epitome of righteousness -- from the beginning, many were actually vouching for Jhanvi to spill the beans as quickly as possible, to NOT give Viraaj the benefit of the doubt, to stop focussing on whether or not the man really lost his memory and confide in one of the family members as quickly as possible.

No one is contesting either that she was being selfish - not even Jhanvi herself. Everything is easy to realise in hindsight, it's in the here and now that you miss out on things and do what best suits you. Of COURSE she'll be selfish. Post-trauma stress isn't a neat and tidy thing that never meddles with your life and personality once you're out of the situation -- men who had returned from both World Wars ended up making a mess of their family lives due to the effects of shell-shock, rape victims are often known to take their anger out on people around them. A fairly recent case of Child Sexual Abuse, where two twin sisters had been repeatedly abused by their family members for years before a neighbour called the police, revealed that the girls would repeatedly betray each other for self-preservation, and still have trouble dealing with relationships afterwards (Their story was published in the Witchia Eagle, and later was aired on Oprah: http://www.kansas.com/promisenottotell/). Would you call their coping mechanisms an excuse for their less than perfect actions too?

Viraaj was a victim of abuse at a point too - though the serial makes it unclear exactly whether he was a direct victim of abuse or whether he witnessed his mother get beatings meant for him. But in Viraaj's case, he has what a lot of victims want but won't always get -- the chance to work on his issues through counselling and deal with what his biological father (and in his mind, mother) did. He was being given treatment that he chose not to use. Even then, he knew what he was doing was wrong, including the torture induced on Payal, knew at some point that the acts he was performing weren't normal, yet rejected therapy of any form and dealt with it in a way that would only serve to reinforce the power he was beginning to enjoy. Jhanvi, on the other hand, doesn't get the opportunity to start wrestling those demons, and definitely doesn't get the time to even consider counselling, given that Viraaj arrives at the Singh house probably a month after, and is still expected to work on her problems perfectly.

I'd also like to point out (I'm guessing you may not have seen this happening) that judgements on Jhanvi were being passed the moment she left the house. Not when she acted on her sense of self-preservation, not when she lied to the Singhs -- but the moment she stepped outside and said 'ab bas'.

Jhanvi went through abuse then, and what Jhanvi is going through now, at Viraaj's hands, is still abuse. What IMO was her mistake? It was that she stupidly, stupidly fell for that trap when Viraaj first created it and didn't throw him out of there straightaway, ML or no ML.
Edited by BizzyLizzy - 13 years ago

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