Another aspect of gender biasing - Page 10

Originally posted by: serialbuff

👏 👏 👏 Gauri, QT, Swar, Priya!

I have been following the debate from the sidelines and I must say its one of the best ones on DM.

My two fils worth:

An Irish colleague of mine once told me that he only went to female dentists not only because they were gentler, but also because they had worked harder to prove themselves, so they were better at their job.

Eventually, it is about the mindset. I got married at an age when women are considered relics in the marriage market, so technically I should have been the most desperate one to do anything in order to latch on to a husband. Instead, I chose to stay where I am because I have a great job even though my "naya navela" husband found a "better" job in another city. I could do it because he understands how important my work is to me, and being in the middle of a contract, I am not going to be unprofessional and drop everything to become "domesticated"!

Thanks Serialbluff. That's what I have been trying to say all along that more and more girls are thinking and doing what you and I thought and did. I see that all around me in my day to day life both at home and at work. Times have changed and it is high time people change their mindset as well.

Originally posted by: raunaq

13 pages and the fight between male and females about gender biasing is still on 😳 i havent read those 13 pages, but i would like to post my views here coupled with some confusion 😭

i think women should not be stereotyped and they must be allowed to do whatever job she wants to. females can be as good as males in any kind of work. i have seen female workers as bus drivers, constructions workers, doing eletrical works too, yes it feels great to see those women with heavy boots to do construction jobs and yes there are fire fighters too. just becoz there are some women who whine doesnt mean that women doesnt fit the bill to work in any field. but at the same time i am confused 😕 arent female bodies made a little different to not to do such kind of work? i have heard how people say that there are certain jobs which females cannot do becoz it can impact their health, is it true? i am confused. as much as i want to see females not being stereotyped i am also a little confused 😕

Raunaq, the debate started when in the very beginning someone said that women don't do a good job at any kind of profession because they give more priority to family, quit high profile jobs to be house mommies, whine a lot, shop during office hours, quit high profile jobs because they are desperate to get married, ask for exceptions/undue favors from male colleagues, prefer "soft" posts over challenging ones, use their feminity to get favors, make a mess of their personal as well professional lives by trying to be bindaas etc. etc. etc. Read the back pages...it is all there. I am not making up even a single thing here.........so, in short...certain people thought that either women are not worthy of professional jobs or it will cost the employers too much to weed thru 1000 women to find one single eligible woman That's how the debate progressed and when all queries were answered on white collar professional job front, the military and construction work was dragged in and biological differences were dragged in.

I understand your confusion dear...but should we not leave it to woman to decide whether she wants a particular job or not IF and only IF she is eligible for it rather than leave it on employers to decide whether a woman should be assigned or not assigned on a specific task based on gender only!!!

Once we let others decide what a woman should or should not do....it starts with physically challenging jobs like construction work and combat forces and then keeps on going till some extremist somewhere clads her in a chaddar and puts her behind the four walls of her house....even if she happens to be a doctor, nurse, engineer, accountant. It is the same old mindset that just refuses to go away even when you see so many women making strides in all sectors now a days.

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

CB you say we need to change mind set, Well, we have. Time to change mindset of Men. If your wife comes home from work, packs her suitcase (Herself ) as she needs to be away for couple of days in seminar, how many of you will support her and take responsibility of home and kids.

as long as she brings home the bacon, millions of them, no problem. 😛happy happy. can listen to pink floyd all day long. 😆

If your wife is going to be late at work, will you cook and wait as they do? If she cannot take time off to take her kids to hospital, will you do it with no grudge??

thank heavens for all those desi TV-dinners in indian stores. 😆good wholesome family dinners that cut down on cooking time and can make the house run more efficiently than she ever could 😉

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

👏 nice suggestion Priya!

Rahul, as far as making millions and then going for family life, a lot depends on luck my friend. Some women give it all and still suffer luck not favoring. It is not always their lack of vision, intellect, drive, ambition, dedication and hard work.. but lack of a 4 letter word L U C K.
It could happen to both men and women, no gender biasses there, but calling one smart and the other a LOSER in professional as well as PERSONAL life - just because luck happened to one instead of another rhyming word- is unjust I think.

well, however it is someone has made it, once they have, shouldn't they be free to do what they like. or would u bang up some big-ticket lottery winner just coz he decided to hang up his boots and go fishing? 😉😆

in any case, now that aish made her millions and is wanting a family life of her own, u're trying to pass off her accomplisments as luck? great going. that way, everything in life is fate/ luck. not a very helpful way to look at things imo since it leads to no behavioral prescriptions😉

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Raunaq, the debate started when in the very beginning someone said that women don't do a good job at any kind of profession

not me. i didnt say that. ive been consistently saying that what nature has created, we cant undo. the two genders are created differently and there are bound to be different areas of excellence. am not keeping a woman out if she can make me rich, but yes i shouldnt have to give charity just coz the feminists want that😉

because they give more priority to family, quit high profile jobs to be house mommies, whine a lot, shop during office hours, quit high profile jobs because they are desperate to get married, ask for exceptions/undue favors from male colleagues, prefer "soft" posts over challenging ones, use their feminity to get favors, make a mess of their personal as well professional lives by trying to be bindaas etc. etc. etc. Read the back pages...it is all there. I am not making up even a single thing here.........so, in short...certain people thought that either women are not worthy of professional jobs or it will cost the employers too much to weed thru 1000 women to find one single eligible woman That's how the debate progressed and when all queries were answered on white collar professional job front, the military and construction work was dragged in and biological differences were dragged in.

I understand your confusion dear...but should we not leave it to woman to decide whether she wants a particular job or not IF and only IF she is eligible for it rather than leave it on employers to decide whether a woman should be assigned or not assigned on a specific task based on gender only!!!

no no, too expensive to weed out all the misfits, costs that get passed down to society. i'd rather leave it to the employers. in the competitive business world we are in today, they have the incentive to hire the best workers whoever they might be. dont need more burdensome diktats in that regard.😊

Once we let others decide what a woman should or should not do....it starts with physically challenging jobs like construction work and combat forces and then keeps on going till some extremist somewhere clads her in a chaddar and puts her behind the four walls of her house....even if she happens to be a doctor, nurse, engineer, accountant. It is the same old mindset that just refuses to go away even when you see so many women making strides in all sectors now a days.

hey, great speech. sounds like something hillary might want to use to rouse up the feminists😉😆

ok pulling. not dont beat me up for it😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Originally posted by: serialbuff

😆 OMG...you are cracking me up today Serialbluff😆 I swear that's the exact same thing that came to my mind too....but I was like what's the use of posting that...waisey bhi they are busy doing a 180 degree flip now😆😆😆

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆 OMG...you are cracking me up today Serialbluff😆 I swear that's the exact same thing that came to my mind too....but I was like what's the use of posting that...waisey bhi they are busy doing a 180 degree flip now😆😆😆

Glad to be of service 😛 Never shy away from hammering it in 😆 Kabhi to dhang ki baat kar hi lengey hamarey faazil "mard" dost!