Any Afganis here? - Page 5

I am Afghan. And I have been so heartbroken with what’s going in Afghanistan. I feel terrible for the children and women there especially. It’s so incredibly sad for the country and people to reduce to this. I have been seeing so many videos and pictures of the scenes there, and I feel so hopeless. How can all these empires just come to Afghanistan every time for their politics, power and control and keep destroying it and leave? And then there’s Islamism sickness invading the minds of Taliban funded and backed by Pakistan. I felt sick of all the accounts from Pakistan celebrating for Taliban on Twitter. They are sick.

Not even one woman around. 😔

https://twitter.com/SaharRahimi_/status/1427111898764517377

https://twitter.com/desmukh/status/1426879833276039170?s=20

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

My heart goes out to the Afghans. A lot of misinformation going around, so putting this here. Caveat: I am by no means an expert.

Since the 50s, there were ethnic clashes between various tribes in the AfPak region, which resulted even in attacks on each other's embassies which is a big diplomatic no-no. Moscow supplied arms and ammunition to the Afghan government. The U.S. government also gave the government aid.

FF to 1970s. Pakistan lost Bangladesh and the war with India. They were concerned about a Moscow-Kabul-New Delhi alliance, which would leave them almost surrounded by enemies. Islamabad started supporting Islamist rebels in Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia was supporting the Islamists with money. In 1974, Islamists plotted a coup, but they were discovered, and some fled to Pakistan.

More rebel groups started in Afghanistan. Soviets suddenly shifted allegiance from Afghan government to a communist group. A communist leader got assassinated, and people started demonstrating. Government arrested communist leaders. Military intervened and did a coup, installing the communists. Soviets were thrilled, but factions continued fighting in the country. A new leader started ignoring Soviet commands.

By now, U.S. had lost Iran to Khomeini. The U.S. tried to influence Afghanistan. Brezhnev, Soviet premier, of course didn't want to lose influence, so he sent the army.

Now, remember the Islamists who fled to Pakistan who were supported financially by Saudi Arabia? Once a foreign power invaded their land, others started joining them, thus forming the groups we now call mujahedeen.

Because of the wish to counter the Soviets, Pres. Jimmy Carter sent money to the mujahedeen. This increased under Pres. Ronald Reagan. Saudis continued to send money. In 1985, U.S. support expanded to include military support. Pakistani intelligence controlled the actual delivery of these weapons to the Islamists. The ISI used their position to promote Paki interests.

India allied itself with the Soviets. The U.S. gave up on India as a potential partner circa mid 80s.

Given the terrain and the multiple factions in Afghanistan, the Soviets bled financially and militarily. They finally withdrew.

But Kuwait war happened. The U.S. dropped Afghanistan like a hot potato and redirected money and other resources to Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia.

The Islamists in Afghanistan got upset with U.S. and Saudis and aligned themselves with Iran, Libya, etc.

The big criticism against the U.S. is that it initiated Arabs volunteering in Afghanistan. That actually is untrue. The big influx of Arabs to Afghanistan started in the 90s, AFTER the U.S. withdrew. These Arabs were well-financed.

The factional fighting continued. Afghanistan was in chaos. Then, a group called Taliban promised an end to the infighting. They promised security. There is a myth that someone asked Taliban for help in freeing 2 kidnapped girls from a rival group. Taliban did exactly that. The irony if that is really how they gained prominence! This got them local support. Pakistan also supported Taliban as they promised full sharia. They started attacking for territorial gains. Local support increased.

Now, in 1996 bin Laden relocated to Afghanistan. With him came al Qaeda and some well-trained fighters. The Taliban needed bin Laden. 1998 terrorist bombings by al Qaeda and 9/11 happened. Taliban couldn't hand over bin Laden because, well, they still needed him.

The U.S. invaded. The rest is fairly recent so I assume material which would've been analyzed by experts is classified. We will know in another 25-30 years.

One note - Mujahadeen are the present Taliban. They were funded and backed by USA, Pakistan, and Saudi. Mujahadeen and Taliban aren’t different groups. Today Taliban are obviously no more funded by US anymore after 9/11. But the Mujahadeen who later became Taliban to fight against Soviet were funded by US through their most costed operation called Operation Cyclone. Now Taliban are funded and backed by Pakistan.

I am appalled at the fact Taliban was so easily able to take over the control ? Afghanistan government didn’t even try ??? Can this all happen without the insider support ?

Devastated thinking about women and children there .
Afghan people will have to come together and fight for their country . But I wonder if there is unity in that regard ? No leader nothing ….

Sadly it's not a country's political concern anymore. It's humanity on the line of fire. Breaks my heart to know something so terrible is happening to a fellow human in such a beautiful country.

I wasn't actually well versed with Afghanistan's political scenario, but as of now my papa is educating me on the same.

Just hope and pray for the citizens there especially the little girls they're pulling out and bringing for exploiting.

Originally posted by: EXOL

I am appalled at the fact Taliban was so easily able to take over the control ? Afghanistan government didn’t even try ??? Can this all happen without the insider support ?

Devastated thinking about women and children there .
Afghan people will have to come together and fight for their country . But I wonder if there is unity in that regard ? No leader nothing ….

Exactly my point. There wasn't any retaliation.

They lack leadership....once they have that they might actually be saving the country

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

I’ve lost sleep these countless nights thinking about Afghanistan. In fact, seeing certain people celebrate the fall of Afghanistan on twitter had reduced me to tears. I have family there. How can anyone be so heartless to celebrate something like this? A hateful woman even tweeted “Need to sleep but I’m afraid I’ll miss the news of Kabul falling. Taliban pause your offensive against the capital Kabul until I wake up” Trash-minded people who are celebrating are doing so in the comfort of their own homes. I’d like to drag them into the den of Talibans and see how much they enjoy living in a country under their regime.

For anyone that wants a brief summary of what’s going on - please watch this 6 minute video. This guy sums it up perfectly.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSZra_HlWeU/?utm_medium=copy_link

Now the information I’ll be giving does not mean this is what I believe. I’m simply relaying what has been said to me. We’ve contacted family in Afghanistan to see how everyone is coping. There’s a lot of mixed information coming through. I don’t even know what to believe anymore. I had relatives and family friends report that Taliban had come knocking on their doors, giving everyone their mobile numbers and telling them that they are not here to fight. They want everyone to stay indoors until things are settled. They do not want bloodshed, they just want Afghanistan to be ruled by Afghans and not with foreign interference. They urged people to not believe what is being said in the media and acknowledged that their approach in the past had been wrong. They are telling residents to contact them if anyone harasses them blah blah.

Taliban spokesman spoke to Yalda Hakim (Afghan Journalist) on BBC and this was a rough summary of what was being said:

The spokesman said that they will be an inclusive government and even welcome America to help (construction/development etc), education for women will be allowed, all women are to wear hijab (not burqa), the government will be following Islamic law with a court system, and finally they don’t want people leaving out of fear, they recognise the need of intellectuals to help further build the country.

I don’t trust anything being said. This can be similar to any speech politicians feed people before getting elected. This can all be bullshit just to calm and appease residents, stopping them from fleeing the country. There is an ulterior motive. I just want the bloodshed and war to end. Afghanistan has not tasted peace or freedom for over 40 years. When will it be enough? How much more blood of innocents is needed before the world just leaves Afghanistan the fuck alone.

Your write up is exactly like what we were discussing at home. It's just they want to appease as of now so that they can settle the rule. No one fly off is what they want to achieve.

Yeah like who's going to believe that they're for women education.

It's now a humanitarian crisis

It is heartbreaking what is happening in Afghanistan

i guess taliban regime is better for afghanistan ,,,,,US invasion led Afghanistan where it is today and not talibans