Any Afganis here? - Page 2

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

I’ve lost sleep these countless nights thinking about Afghanistan. In fact, seeing certain people celebrate the fall of Afghanistan on twitter had reduced me to tears. I have family there. How can anyone be so heartless to celebrate something like this? A hateful woman even tweeted “Need to sleep but I’m afraid I’ll miss the news of Kabul falling. Taliban pause your offensive against the capital Kabul until I wake up” Trash-minded people who are celebrating, are doing so in the comfort of their own homes. I’d like to drag them into the den of Talibans and see how much they enjoy living in a country under their regime.

For anyone that wants a brief summary of what’s going on - please watch this 6 minute video. This guy sums it up perfectly.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSZra_HlWeU/?utm_medium=copy_link

Now the information I’ll be giving does not mean this is what I believe. I’m simply relaying what has been said to me. We’ve contacted family in Afghanistan to see how everyone is coping. There’s a lot of mixed information coming through. I don’t even know what to believe anymore. I had relatives and family friends report that Taliban had come knocking on their doors, giving everyone their mobile numbers and telling them that they are not here to fight. They want everyone to stay indoors until things are settled. They do not want bloodshed, they just want Afghanistan to be ruled by Afghans and not with foreign interference. They urged people to not believe what is being said in the media and acknowledged that their approach in the past had been wrong. They are telling residents to contact them if anyone harasses them blah blah.

Taliban spokesman spoke to Yalda Hakim (Afghan Journalist) on BBC and this was a rough summary of what was being said:

The spokesman said that they will be an inclusive government and even welcome America to help (construction/development etc), education for women will be allowed, all women are to wear hijab (not burqa), the government will be following Islamic law with a court system, and finally they don’t want people leaving out of fear, they recognise the need of intellectuals to help further build the country.

I don’t trust anything being said. This can be similar to any speech politicians feed people before getting elected. This can all be bullshit just to calm and appease residents, stopping them from fleeing the country. There is an ulterior motive. I just want the bloodshed and war to end. Afghanistan has not tasted peace or freedom for over 40 years. When will it be enough? How much more blood of innocents is needed before the world just leaves Afghanistan the fuck alone.

This is a Humanitarian crisis. If an entire can be taken over like this, it can happen to any country tomorrow. The so called world leaders need to intervene and do something about it. :(

I’ve become so disheartened by hateful and selective people. Whenever there has been a crisis for any country, I’ve always taken a stance by being vocal about it, sending donations, or marching in protests to support them. We may not all share the same culture, ethnicity or religion but we share the most important thing, which is humanity. You are human first.

You have women right activists like Malala, who was attacked by the Taliban but apparently only had something to say last night when Taliban had already taken over. Bullshit. You can’t tell me she’s been in a deep sleep these past few days and suddenly woke up yesterday from her extended coma.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

Now the information I’ll be giving does not mean this is what I believe. I’m simply relaying what has been said to me. We’ve contacted family in Afghanistan to see how everyone is coping. There’s a lot of mixed information coming through. I don’t even know what to believe anymore. I had relatives and family friends report that Taliban had come knocking on their doors, giving everyone their mobile numbers and telling them that they are not here to fight. They want everyone to stay indoors until things are settled. They do not want bloodshed, they just want Afghanistan to be ruled by Afghans and not with foreign interference. They urged people to not believe what is being said in the media and acknowledged that their approach in the past had been wrong. They are telling residents to contact them if anyone harasses them blah blah.

Taliban spokesman spoke to Yalda Hakim (Afghan Journalist) on BBC and this was a rough summary of what was being said:

The spokesman said that they will be an inclusive government and even welcome America to help (construction/development etc), education for women will be allowed, all women are to wear hijab (not burqa), the government will be following Islamic law with a court system, and finally they don’t want people leaving out of fear, they recognise the need of intellectuals to help further build the country.

Unfortunately this is the reality

Warning: the video shows dead people

https://twitter.com/rtaworld/status/1426289598779379713

How is a militant outfit like Taliban able to launch an attack of this magnitude without any help from anyone within or outside? This is just so disturbing. Poor civilians, can’t even imagine what they must be going through.

My heart sunk when I heard the news. Feel really sorry for whoever has been affected.

Originally posted by: Kaya65

There will never peace in Afghanistan as long pakistan doesnt stopp supports those Terrorists.

They are kidnapped 12 year old girls and bringing them to Pakistan to marry these monster and who are using them as sex slaves for some time and then kill them.

Wow, I must be living under a rock. Is it true?

https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/08/13/what-will-happen-to-afghanistan-and-pakistan-s-uneasy-border-pub-85152

Originally posted by: cutejodikangal

Wow, I must be living under a rock. Is it true?

https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/08/13/what-will-happen-to-afghanistan-and-pakistan-s-uneasy-border-pub-85152

In a province they put the 12 young girls and women in saws to bring them to the places where they are to be married to the monster and those monsters keep saying that the pakistani agents that trained them promised them that they will get young wifes , etc.. hope all those who support these monsters get same treatment from them that the poor afghan people are getting from them.

Originally posted by: Kaya65

Unfortunately this is the reality

Warning: the video shows dead people

https://twitter.com/rtaworld/status/1426289598779379713

My family is originally from Kandahar. The helplessness and pain is real. I feel like my mum has aged overnight from the distress this has been causing.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

My family is originally from Kandahar. The helplessness and pain is real. I feel like my mum has aged overnight from the distress this has been causing.

My mom side of family is also from there. My uncle, who was there when the first time they took Kandahar, said they had also promised at time as well that everyone will live peaceful together etc, however after some time they started terrorize people.

And if they do this to the people from Kandahar just imagine what they would to the others🥺😭

My heart goes out to the Afghans. A lot of misinformation going around, so putting this here. Caveat: I am by no means an expert.

Since the 50s, there were ethnic clashes between various tribes in the AfPak region, which resulted even in attacks on each other's embassies which is a big diplomatic no-no. Moscow supplied arms and ammunition to the Afghan government. The U.S. government also gave the government aid.

FF to 1970s. Pakistan lost Bangladesh and the war with India. They were concerned about a Moscow-Kabul-New Delhi alliance, which would leave them almost surrounded by enemies. Islamabad started supporting Islamist rebels in Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia was supporting the Islamists with money. In 1974, Islamists plotted a coup, but they were discovered, and some fled to Pakistan.

More rebel groups started in Afghanistan. Soviets suddenly shifted allegiance from Afghan government to a communist group. A communist leader got assassinated, and people started demonstrating. Government arrested communist leaders. Military intervened and did a coup, installing the communists. Soviets were thrilled, but factions continued fighting in the country. A new leader started ignoring Soviet commands.

By now, U.S. had lost Iran to Khomeini. The U.S. tried to influence Afghanistan. Brezhnev, Soviet premier, of course didn't want to lose influence, so he sent the army.

Now, remember the Islamists who fled to Pakistan who were supported financially by Saudi Arabia? Once a foreign power invaded their land, others started joining them, thus forming the groups we now call mujahedeen.

Because of the wish to counter the Soviets, Pres. Jimmy Carter sent money to the mujahedeen. This increased under Pres. Ronald Reagan. Saudis continued to send money. In 1985, U.S. support expanded to include military support. Pakistani intelligence controlled the actual delivery of these weapons to the Islamists. The ISI used their position to promote Paki interests.

India allied itself with the Soviets. The U.S. gave up on India as a potential partner circa mid 80s.

Given the terrain and the multiple factions in Afghanistan, the Soviets bled financially and militarily. They finally withdrew.

But Kuwait war happened. The U.S. dropped Afghanistan like a hot potato and redirected money and other resources to Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia.

The Islamists in Afghanistan got upset with U.S. and Saudis and aligned themselves with Iran, Libya, etc.

The big criticism against the U.S. is that it initiated Arabs volunteering in Afghanistan. That actually is untrue. The big influx of Arabs to Afghanistan started in the 90s, AFTER the U.S. withdrew. These Arabs were well-financed.

The factional fighting continued. Afghanistan was in chaos. Then, a group called Taliban promised an end to the infighting. They promised security. There is a myth that someone asked Taliban for help in freeing 2 kidnapped girls from a rival group. Taliban did exactly that. The irony if that is really how they gained prominence! This got them local support. Pakistan also supported Taliban as they promised full sharia. They started attacking for territorial gains. Local support increased.

Now, in 1996 bin Laden relocated to Afghanistan. With him came al Qaeda and some well-trained fighters. The Taliban needed bin Laden. 1998 terrorist bombings by al Qaeda and 9/11 happened. Taliban couldn't hand over bin Laden because, well, they still needed him.

The U.S. invaded. The rest is fairly recent so I assume material which would've been analyzed by experts is classified. We will know in another 25-30 years.