OBC reservation for the Patels and how many more? - Page 5

When we have the reservation debate, a few points are to be noted.

An important fact to be noted. When there was no civilization, there was no inequality among the people in the society. But since the days of brpnze age civilization, one thing the people had to live with was inequality among the different sections of the society. This aspect could be seen in all the civilizations. There were different sections of the society - kings, nobles, rich persons down to the slaves and definitely those who were in the lower section were disadvantaged. Why did civilization bring about inequality in society?

And things became worse in the modern age once there was renaissance and Industrial revolution. even inside a country, those who could not prosper as per the system were cruelly exploited and this exploitation went to other countries also. We very well know how much British prospered by exploiting India. Of course serious thinkers brought out solutions to bring equality in the society. There was a period capitalists were thriving at the expense of the workers' labour. Karl Marx brought out his communist principles to bring equality in the society. The very reason we have communism was to create equality in the society and bring everyone in the society to the same level. But did that succeed? It failed miserably. The system Karl Marx brought about was the whole property of the state belongs to the Govt: and the Govt: takes care of the needs of everyone and every one can work as per his/her capability. The system sounds simple. But it won't work. There are good reasons why this type of arrangement will not work.

There are many lessons one has to know based on the failure of communism. Whatever measures the Govt: takes, the inequalities in the society could not be removed. The reservation policy aimed for bringing everyone to the mainstream is only going to backfire. Same is the case of anti male laws. Anti male laws are not going to help the females. Reservation policy is not going to help uplifting the SC/STs. All we have is equal opportunity policy and that is all is needed. This is because the world by itself has a lot of negativity. And that is the way because those who like to shine the light could only be valued only in the darkness. And in this darkness, the person who brings light could be crucified. What was the crime of Jesus for his severe punishment?

Similarly some people will be born in some down trodden society, others in upper class. some with golden spoon, others in hand to mouth existence. They are all born where they are for the experience of the soul. Those who are born in a place where they have to face a lot of difficulty have the opportunity to get the help of God, make a channel for Him to work through them and thus prosper. And this has happened a lot also. Otherwise how can a slave become a king? Western countries did experiment with Govt: ownership of land. But that was a failure. And so they abandoned this type of system and they have just the equal opportunity policy. If india is to prosper, no section is to be given preference any where. Abdul Kalam came from a humble beginning and where he was born he was not economically well-off? Did he prosper because of reservation. He made himself a channel for God to work through and thus he prospered.

Originally posted by: zorrro

What human right are you talking of? Clarify if you can.

Originally posted by: zorrro

You brought out some good points ALD. To the above isnt it a shame that after nearly 70 years of reservation policy the REAL PROBLEM of ostracism on account of caste still persists? The focus should have been on wiping out that sort of discrimination.

Thanks zorro.

it is a shame...but what can be done.. Our brothers and sisters across the country still have prejudices :P

It is sad.. But it's changing...slowwwly. At snail's pace.

It's very difficult to change the mindset.

That's why caste shouldn't be a basis for anything now. It shouldn't be asked for in applications. But it's highly unlikely this would happen. Because on one hand we see forest dwelling tribals that are oblivious to this world around them and then we have the backward castes shining in their affluence and still availing benefits.

People should change.

All the government can do on it's part is to bring in a new reservation policy based on economic position.

Ill reply to the other post later

Reservation was intially meant to last five years from 1982. But a further succession of Amendments ensured that the time period kept on increasing till the present date, and the clause of "reviewing" was blissfully ignored hereafter. 😆 Indian politics can be an amusing game.
First of all, there should be no reservation at the work place, only Educational institutions. Secondly, the Reservation policy should be reworked and revamped so that its targeted at sections which are overwhelmingly below the poverty line and face considerable caste-based ostracisation, e.g. Dalits. The main aim of reservation was the upliftment of Socio-culturally (and obviously economically) marginalised communities who suffered alienation through the ages. Keeping that defining clause in mind, the category for "OBC" needs to be abolished altogether.

Agree with Angel-Like Devil's post for the most part.

Originally posted by: zorrro

I think the number of times that a family can take advantage of the reservation should be limited . Not more than 3-4 generations at the most. By then they should have been able to take off on their own and other people from the community can avail the chance. What is generally seen is that only a few affluent or influential families prosper and the rest of the community continues to lag behind.

Secondly instead of relaxing cutoff marks it would be better to give coaching opportunities and financial help to come at par with the rest. Why lower the qualifying standards? It harms rather than help the cause. Its bad for anyone's self esteem.