Where do you think we came from? - Page 100

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

I believe consciousness is not separate from our sensory perception, being that everything we are aware of is introduced to us through our senses and thus our brain reacts and give out reactions. Aren't all humans programmed genetically to understand similar things in general? Lets assume a child is born and lives in a dark room with no sound or contact to the outside world, would he learn anything? The answer would be "no" because his senses will never be given the opportunity to inform his mind that things exist or doesn't exist. So does consciousness really exist outside of your experience or senses?

Originally posted by: _Angie_

thanks birdie. You ve raised a lot many questions !! Lets see how many we can try to address, Consciousness is often used in a broader term as in an all pervading consciousness. So what makes us confine our ID to a separate physical self ! Perhaps the form can perceive only a form. For consciousness to be aware of itself, it has to abandon all paradigms of knowledge and concepts. Thoughts are images and attributes of the conceptual identity arising and subsiding on the screen of consciousness. The fundamental constituent of the consciousness construct is 'am-ness'. It is too intangible to comprehend but is the substratum of our 'being-ness'. Intellect, mind and thoughts are derivatives of this primordial being-ness. Being-ness is a priori and precludes any acquired knowledge or conditioning. The am-ness drives awareness and animates the Self. The Self, veiled by identity and ego, is oblivious to this am-ness, which is its very source. It merges into the form, giving the form an illusion of control and doer-ship.

To remain in the state of being-ness is meditation. To dwell in the am-ness unadulterated by any form, identity, ego or desire is not easy. Lapsing into illusions created by the mind is inevitable. Illusion is a sensory 'warp'. Creation is an illusion that is spun as a web by the mind and intellect on the substrate of 'being' It is a film running on the screen of am-ness. Reverting to the state of being-ness requires effort. To know that pure being-ness is the nature of the true Self is knowledge and realisation. The falsely identified self constantly needs to reaffirm itself through gratification by sensory stimulation. Am-ness does not seek any gratification or reaffirmation since it is unidentified being-ness.

Am-ness is the precursor of the mind and intellect. It is pure consciousness. It is unaffected by time and form. Pure consciousness will remain eternally even after the temporary form is extinguished. It is just that it will become impersonalised. Am-ness is also called the soul or atman. Am-ness will remain undifferentiated consciousness until it inhabits a mind-body form, somewhat like the undifferentiated primal cell wherein life begins.

To identify with am-ness, one has to remove all the veils one has acquired in the course of time ' name, identity, beliefs, concepts and "knowledge". Meditation serves to gradually dissolve all illusion and at the end just leaves a residual am-ness that is the state of Brahmn. All identities, objects and concepts are time-bound and are mere mirages. They are fleeting and temporary.

Am-ness is self-effacing; it is unidentifiable in the form. It is beyond concept. The mind cannot conceive its predecessor. Am-ness is sookshma or intangible. The mind works in the realm of the tangible. Intelligence and thought tend to deny the intangible. These derivatives then detach from the stalk of their origin and become autonomous. This autonomy manifests as ego and identity. These are all pseudo-entities, null and void in the absence of am-ness that is the source as well as object of Creation.

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

I believe consciousness is not separate from our sensory perception, being that everything we are aware of is introduced to us through our senses and thus our brain reacts and give out reactions. Aren't all humans programmed genetically to understand similar things in general? Lets assume a child is born and lives in a dark room with no sound or contact to the outside world, would he learn anything? The answer would be "no" because his senses will never be given the opportunity to inform his mind that things exist or doesn't exist. So does consciousness really exist outside of your experience or senses?

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Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

The same way we think how Newton knew of the Gravity. Gravity which was the most magical something in the cosmos and the foremost force at the time of creation.

The authors of the scriptures were the manifestations. They couldn't have been ordinary beings to know what they knew and imparted that as the knowledge to us. Today in 2013 BC we can't imagine a state before singularity. So how could a person that existed 1000s of years ago describe that so very well...and with such commanding authority? ...<<< Think of it ..😆

Vintu ...😛

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

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Blimey !! .....I just realized that you are way ahead of me on your path to Moksha ..The path that not many know of ...Um..Do ya have a MAP ? ...😛 ...Or would ya like me to ready my Jet Pack and Catch (up with ) YOU..😛.. before you run outta site ? ...

Vintu...😛

Only the bravehearts get to be in that expedition ...which in all probanlity could be one way journey

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

I believe consciousness is not separate from our sensory perception, being that everything we are aware of is introduced to us through our senses and thus our brain reacts and give out reactions. Aren't all humans programmed genetically to understand similar things in general? Lets assume a child is born and lives in a dark room with no sound or contact to the outside world, would he learn anything? The answer would be "no" because his senses will never be given the opportunity to inform his mind that things exist or doesn't exist. So does consciousness really exist outside of your experience or senses?

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

ally exist outside of your experience or senses?

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Excuse ME ...😆... 2013 BC ? <<<<< ...Are ya drunk or what ? ..😆 ..I mean it's okay to get drunk at times ...But just make sure you don't switch straight from Bourbon to Absinthe like that ...😆

Vintu...😛