Where do you think we came from? - Page 98

On 2nd February 2006, Anita Moorjani experienced what most of us never have! She crossed over and came back to share what she learned. Doctors at the hospital had given Anita just hours to live when she arrived at the hospital that morning, unable to move as a result of the cancer that had ravaged her body for over three years. Anita shares her experience of entering another dimension and being given a choice of whether to return to life or not. She experienced great clarity and understanding of her life and purpose here on earth.

Hope this helps:

This is an interesting describtion of an actual death experience by a cancer victim who had a miraculous recovery

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We understand the world as we perceive it through our sense organs. We seem to be fixated with the form so let us examine one of our senses – sight or vision. We are able to see objects and other externalities because of our visual perceptive apparatus

A motion picture is made up of a series of still pictures. When each of these still picture is followed by another in less than a sixth of a second, the brain interprets the sequence as a continuum. And so we see the sequence of images as a motion picture without realizing that what we think we see is just an illusion., a perception.

The continuum is implied. The continuum is enabled by a programme of the neurological apparatus. And we are actually deceived by "virtual reality." Each individual and his constituents are all the while in a state of change. Even the skeletal system that we believe to be hard and which forms the infrastructure of the body is constantly being remodeled. Absorption and reformation of the bones are a continuous process. So, when we all are constantly being reformed as it were, the perception of our own continuity is a mere hallucination.

If we wake up to the fact that every aspect of existence is in a constant flux, then the question that automatically arises is "What is unchangeable, permanent and eternal?" The constancy is in the perceiver. So it all comes down to that question we started with …a few threads ago ..- Who is it or what is it that perceives? Or Who am I?

I had been thinking aloud , K :) For now, it was based on the findings of some researchers who had observed in a maze experiment, that the group of mice were getting better at negotiating the maze to get their reward. This was learned behaviour and expected. What was remarkable was that a different group of mice , that had been subjected to the same experiment did considerably better than the former group. This observation was repeated in their other labs as well. The groups had been situated miles apart but somehow what was learnt by the former group appears to have been accessed by the later groups. Children too seem to absorb knowledge out of the collective consciousness. It is observed that kids as young as 3-4 years easily pick up the games in the mobile phones and also their other operation or even the PC without having to go through all the learning steps that adults had to.

Non locality iinstead of being an esoteric event may well be a rule of the universe. This means that the whole universe as an interconnected whole. No matter where you are what happens around you is affected immediately by events all around the universe. It is the failure to explain how something immaterial, such as conscious experience, arises from something material, such as the brain. How does subjective experience arise from electrochemical processes in the brain? Subjective experience -or qualia- seems to be entirely nonphysical. No scientist has managed to explain how qualia arise and why they arise. After all, we can perfectly well imagine an organism responding to external signals and stimuli without being conscious of them. Materialistic view takes a reductionist approach . Reductionism argues that it is principally possible to reduce higher-order systems to lower-order systems. It postulates that mind is a higher-order system that can be reduced -in principle- to the biological system of the human brain and body. The biological system can in turn be reduced to chemistry, which can again be reduced to physics. Therefore -according to reductionism- mind is ultimately physical. The problem with this approach is that reductionism cannot point out the causal relationships involved in each step of the reduction. On this account, reductionism fails.

The same way we think how Newton knew of the Gravity. Gravity which was the most magical something in the cosmos and the foremost force at the time of creation.

The authors of the scriptures were the manifestations. They couldn't have been ordinary beings to know what they knew and imparted that as the knowledge to us. Today in 2013 BC we can't imagine a state before singularity. So how could a person that existed 1000s of years ago describe that so very well...and with such commanding authority? ...<<< Think of it ..😆

Vintu ...😛

Isnt everyything observable a manifestation Vintu? Or is there some form or distinction as in reincarnation and rebirths ? 🤔 What does time in history have to do with discoveries? We dont really have an accurate record of what facilities were available to our ancestors a thousand years ago. Only some scriptures and manuscripts could have managed to survive. The majority may have been recorded on perishable materials and therefore lost. A lot of teaching seems to have been imparted verbally and through demonstrations. Not sure how much was actually in a recorded form. It should definitely be worthwhile to take cognizance of all the knowledge that is contained in the scriptures and examine them afresh.

@ Angie_: awesome posts all through!

i think there's a whole lot of ambiguity about consciousness. Is it information? Is it the ability to have some degree of interior experience? It seems to me that every organism that is sensitive to it's environment has that. The cat, the dog, the bacterium that responds to external stimuli or physical vibrations. It is actually our ego that makes us think we are unique in having consciousness, but who are we to say that other organisms do not have at least a small degree of consciousness..Where too do we draw the line...

it also seems to me that consciousness is very closely related to free will. If everything was physics, where is the possibility of a free agent that can intercede in the middle of the cause-effect cycle and affect anything? We would then have external stimuli affecting brain activity, creating thought and images in the mind as a by-product. No transmission the other way around. In fact, we would have a world that theoretically would be deterministic, in the sense of being entirely predictable if we could ever have that processing power.

the other aspect that i think relates to all this is the uncertainty principle. It makes the world probabilistic, thereby introducing unpredictability. Does it tie in with the sense of conscious experiences? Also, is the unpredictability a fundamental feature or is it because of our inability to compute anything beyond a probabilistic curve? I think the amazing thing here is that apparently there is uncertainty not only at the particle level but also at large-scale macro levels.

beyond that, i think if we drill down into every particle, even those considered elementary today, we might find them to be energy... or at least analogous to energy. So while we are happily making distinctions between the physical world and the virtual one of our minds, it might well be the case that they are both fundamentally different manifestations of energy. Energy that can be stored at different locations/ reservoirs, energy that can transform, energy that is conscious of itself and energy that can respond to other energy (much like energy differentials)... Just a bunch of random thoughts i know... but somewhere i feel that all these aspects are intertwined, much as would be the case in a holographic universe...

@ Bold Black : Deadset !! ...Everything is a manifestation of something Ango... Some property or tendency, in varied degrees ...Look at ME ..if you haven't already ... ..Do I need to don horns and stop hiding the tusks to make ya aware of my devilry ? ...😆 ..Alright leave me ( I mean only momentarily ..Sheesh! ..😆 ) and think of the cosmos that we know of. Those billions and billions of stellar bodies in a celestial stand off..<< Again a manifestation of the vastness that might lie even beyond that.

So the manifestations that I talked of pertaining to the scriptures were actually incarnations. Those people who had supreme knowledge and understood every bit known and unknown of the Universe and it's structure. The most stupefying thing about them is their lives were ad hoc and the people were made aware of the comings in advance. Like Lord kalki ..Where most people err while apprehending is when they look at the myths and the stories ( Which were illustrative and involved optimum Maya ) that happened in Satya and Trerta yuga..One must look at the essence ..Like those Panchatantra or Issapniti tales ..What's important is the profound thought hidden in them and not how the actual story panned out.

So there is this difference in Incarnations and Re births. ( I believe both are just as illusive as the death ..It's like our own pure and knowledgeable side which is too occult to interact with in a everyday life ..warning us and guiding us on our way of life. ) Incarnations were manifestations of supreme knowledge, they were the guiding light who helped us see beyond our senses. In short they were Extra ordinary, Superior beings. That left a major, indelible impact on the world with what they had said or the way they led their life...Re births is the term used for common people. Who Live and Die the Solomon Grundy way ...<<<< 😆 ...So all of us all the souls that are the part of ONE great soul ( The energy that is supreme and most occult ) existed together ( Without perceivable oneness )...with varied degrees of purity and understanding of self. <<<Sounds like superposing again ..Where the observer exists as probability waves ..at many locales and faces infinite possibilities, qualities ..while remaining one in reality...

@ Blue: Records are abundant ...The society then musta been a very advanced one. They built forts and mansions. Discovered Gems like The Kohinoor << So they must be great Architects, Fossickers, Miners ..If you have read about the Great war of Kurukshetra ..You musta come across to the terms like Bramhastra ..<<<Now doesn't that sound like the greatest ever nuclear weapon ? ..Narayanastra, Parjyanyastra <<<Which means they could control the forces of natures...Sounds amazing isn't it? ...Then the mention of Pushpak <<<The Airplane .. This was known definitely Wright Brothers were born ...😆 ..Many thousand years before that ...The history, the civilization was lost by some means ..( Like Dwaraka that got immersed deep inside the ocean ..only to be discovered later ) ..So this proves their technological might ..( Also read about their life spans etc ..) ...These stories were told before anyone had thought people can fly one day ..

Noe to your point about the records ..Now what is that you consider as a record ? Only something that's written ? ..The greatest record is the one that is held in the minds. Cause the brain is the material source of all records. Upanishadas are the source of knowledge that were told verbally and propagated through generations of Vedic scholars . Who then scripted that and most (Major ones = Mukhya ) date back to the time when the scientists had no whiff of what they know these days...😆

I guess I must stop before I start to sound like an Incarnation myself...😛...Um ..Or may be I am ? ...I so feel like one at times......Um ..Do you feel the same ? ...😆 ..Yehahaha ...😆 ..How the heck did I forget to tell ya about my coming ...IDK ..😆

Vintu...😛

On 2nd February 2006, Anita Moorjani experienced what most of us never have! She crossed over and came back to share what she learned.

Summer ...😛

Trust ME..I too crossed over ...a once too often ..And could never come back ... ...<< Just kidding ..😆

On a serious note: Those NDEs sound like some intermediate state between Life and the Death ..Cause death should ideally mean a state from where one can never return back to tell what happened then. Cause sensory organs, feelings, ability to perceive / observe are all lost when someone dies...So in my opinion If the state is reversible, it can't be termed as the death. Unless we assume the clinical definition of death to be entirely true..And there are a way too many things about the death that are not known to the science I guess...

But again such experiences might help people gather some clue of what can happen after the death ..apart from providing some wonderful paranormal entertainment ...😆

Vintu...😛