Where do you think we came from? - Page 99

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

@ Angie_: awesome posts all through!

the other aspect that i think relates to all this is the uncertainty principle. It makes the world probabilistic, thereby introducing unpredictability. Does it tie in with the sense of conscious experiences? Also, is the unpredictability a fundamental feature or is it because of our inability to compute anything beyond a probabilistic curve? I think the amazing thing here is that apparently there is uncertainty not only at the particle level but also at large-scale macro levels.

beyond that, i think if we drill down into every particle, even those considered elementary today, we might find them to be energy... or at least analogous to energy. So while we are happily making distinctions between the physical world and the virtual one of our minds, it might well be the case that they are both fundamentally different manifestations of energy. Energy that can be stored at different locations/ reservoirs, energy that can transform, energy that is conscious of itself and energy that can respond to other energy (much like energy differentials)... Just a bunch of random thoughts i know... but somewhere i feel that all these aspects are intertwined, much as would be the case in a holographic universe...

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

ha ha ha ...so the soul can play ping pong right 😆 Why should death ideally mean a state of no return? Its just another word or terminilogy What about the resurrection of Jesus ?

BTW the body itself had no sensations as long as it was in coma (she hadnt been declared dead)

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

@ Blue: Records are abundant ...The society then musta been a very advanced one. They built forts and mansions. Discovered Gems like The Kohinoor << So they must be great Architects, Fossickers, Miners ..If you have read about the Great war of Kurukshetra ..You musta come across to the terms like Bramhastra ..<<<Now doesn't that sound like the greatest ever nuclear weapon ? ..Narayanastra, Parjyanyastra <<<Which means they could control the forces of natures...Sounds amazing isn't it? ...Then the mention of Pushpak <<<The Airplane .. This was known definitely Wright Brothers were born ...😆 ..Many thousand years before that ...The history, the civilization was lost by some means ..( Like Dwaraka that got immersed deep inside the ocean ..only to be discovered later ) ..So this proves their technological might ..( Also read about their life spans etc ..) ...These stories were told before anyone had thought people can fly one day ..

[A] True that ! 😛 The Indians were also quite adept at navigating the oceans long before the Europeans set foot in the country. The Indians were carrying on trade through sea routes even during the time of the Maurya dynasty. Their knowledge in metallurgy was also quite advanced as evidenced from the rust free iron pillars of Sarnath and one at the Qutab Minar!

Noe to your point about the records ..Now what is that you consider as a record ? Only something that's written ? ..The greatest record is the one that is held in the minds. Cause the brain is the material source of all records. Upanishadas are the source of knowledge that were told verbally and propagated through generations of Vedic scholars . Who then scripted that and most (Major ones = Mukhya ) date back to the time when the scientists had no whiff of what they know these days...😆

I meant record that could be produced as evidence fpr the sceptics 😆

I guess I must stop before I start to sound like an Incarnation myself......Um ..Or may be I am ? ...I so feel like one at times......Um ..Do you feel the same ? ...😆 ..Yehahaha ...😆 ..How the heck did I forget to tell ya about my coming ...IDK ..😆

Vintu...

Oh no worries if you forgot 😛 after all it was me who sent you packing down to earth 😆

Originally posted by: _Angie_

[A] True that ! 😛 The Indians were also quite adept at navigating the oceans long before the Europeans set foot in the country. The Indians were carrying on trade through sea routes even during the time of the Maurya dynasty. Their knowledge in metallurgy was also quite advanced as evidenced from the rust free iron pillars of Sarnath and one at the Qutab Minar!

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Hahaha ...Yay !! ..😆 ..You are the only person apart from ME who got that so darn right ..😛 ..I can now safely tell ya how I play that wonderful ping pong game with my soul ever day ...Um ..Would ya like to join ? If you abide by the rules and always let me win ..😛

As if rules would matter where definitions are amnable to change 😆

On a serious note: 😊 ...The death is irreversible ( And its scope is definitely beyond it's clinical definition ) ...

yeah, earlier the definition of deah meant the cessation of respiration and heartbeat whereas now we have the person declared dead while the heart and lungs continue to function though with mechanical aid. 😊

Jesus resurrected ..and there is Ashwatthhama who never died ..<<< All connotative and conceptual I guess ...This is why I insisted we don't go on the events ( And the stories ..Mythical stuff ) and that we must look at that part of the scriptures that deals with the reality and describes it well in a way that appeals to our logic and senses.. ...Also you might wanna note that the Death of Jesus and Krishna etc ...was to denote the ultimate, unavoidable truth of everyone's life ..The death << Which is only something ( That no mundane entity ..Demons or even the Incarnations can evade ) that I guess is certain ..So Jesus mighta resurrected as the tendency ...to warn the forces of evil that the God ll keep intervening on every instance when such a need arises ...😊

@ bold - Makes sense to me 😊

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Aww..I see...but I don't think the skeptical ones can ever be satisfied ..Unless the evidence is give by someone named Heisenberg or Einstein ...😆

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

@ Angie_: awesome posts all through!

i think there's a whole lot of ambiguity about consciousness. Is it information? Is it the ability to have some degree of interior experience? It seems to me that every organism that is sensitive to it's environment has that. The cat, the dog, the bacterium that responds to external stimuli or physical vibrations. It is actually our ego that makes us think we are unique in having consciousness, but who are we to say that other organisms do not have at least a small degree of consciousness..Where too do we draw the line...

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Perhaps Death should be defined as "Losing connection with the Consciousness" and sleep is a temporary death.

I have tried a few times to fall asleep and yet keep awake to watch where this culprit the consciousness runs off to 😆 so far the score is 10 - Nil. Matter of time I will get hold of this rogue 😆

Perhap this helmet and costume might help