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Harjot.

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Posted: 14 years ago

#31

^*high five* dude, bulls eye. thank you. finally, someone sensible. =]

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Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
Wizards and magic is best for all you, isn't it?

Not really, and yes, I am only speaking of myself when I say this. I don't think placing the characters in HP in a real-world scenario would make them any less richer as far as characterization is concerned.

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
It seems like all Twilight haters

You are assuming that people who dislike Twilight or criticize it from a literary perspective are "haters". As has been noted, this is an assumption, and a pretty baseless one at that too.

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
use the main characters to bash the series but they're unknown to the fact that, there are other characters in the story other than 3 people.

Come again! Another assumption. It's not really surprising to see why people use the main threes - just as the best defense (and the ending line) for most Twihards seem to be "Uh vel, Vizardz and maejikz ain't me thng so u c it ur way, i c it mine" (while completely ignoring the fact that that's not what HP is all about) - because they are the main three, and deserves the most attention even if there are supporting characters involved. But if you ask me, I will readily concede that the supporting characters at least had some substance - most of them weren't Mary Sues or plain wishfulfilment heroes - than the main two (at least Jacob had something resembling an arc, even if Meyer had to turn him into a pedo later).

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
Seriously people. Grow up.

Wow...finally someone put light into our eyes! How can we ever repay you and your kind advice?! Really, we have to grow up. But pray, tell me, would you help me in "grow[ing] up" - we are a tiny little kid lost in their ways, who have yet to "grow up". I know nothing about literature, debate, talking or even simple writing. Since you have been so kind as to point out our flaws, I hope you will be able to illuminate our paths with your pearls of wisdom too, wouldn't you?

Seriously though, from next time, I hope you can keep your haughty and condescending tone to yourself before commenting on a perfectly fine and legible discussion/debate. Asking others to "grow up" isn't really a very sound and wise advice (if it is even worth calling it that) to throw around - and considering that you are a Viewbie, I shouldn't even have to remind you that. If you can refute someone's point logically, then, by all means go ahead. Calling people to "grow up", instead of actually refuting ones point in the proper manner isn't going to make your position in this debate look any better - if anything it makes you look even more blinkered than you currently do.

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
For one, these 2 series are completely different.

...and yet, as shocking as this may sound, there is a lot that you can find similar between them - and by that, I don't just mean the work in itself. The fan base, the audiences the works are targeted towards - there is a lot to draw similarities among other things. Of course they can be as different as chalk and cheese too. But then, that is the point of literary debates / criticisms / contrasts.

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
I don't understand how people think comparing them is relevant in any way. =/ Like, what the heck? Where are you getting this from?

Wait...some "freaks" according to many Twihards (in the non-Twilight land, called teachers) in my school, while giving lectures on literary comparisons, taught it to me. Too bad - and lesson learned - I should have taken my advice from you. From now on, I am not going to give off my opinion without your approval, okay?

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
One is about wizards and magic, the other about vampires and werewolves.

Oh right, thanks for refreshing my memory. I mean, as someone who have read the books, and have had countless debates/discussions regarding them, I am sure my memory about the basic plot-lines about these series must have just escaped my brain by now. But thanks to you, my memory has just been refreshed, and can now oh-so-clearly remember that one was about "wizards and magic, the other about vampires and werewolves".

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
And, as for the plot line, a vampire falling in love with a human is in fact, creative.

Yes, I guess it is so much 'creative' to have a lust story between a whiny teenager and a creepy stalker; I mean, these things had never been done before.

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
And if you haven't noticed, Bella is not perfect. She's not a bad-ass girl that can do magic. =/ She's a girl who trips, who finds it hard to make friends, who makes mistakes and falls for people. She's a normal teenager that many teens to an extent, can relate to.

Thanks for bringing it to my notice, but as far as I am concerned, Isabella Swan is a Mary Sue - she isn't perfect, but she is eulogized as one nonetheless, irrespective of whether the author intended it to be that way or not. She has no personality traits, and she has no character flaws (that are actually treated as flaws) either - what, in literary term, we regard as Mary Sues.

And since when did doing magic = being a kick-ass-non-conformist-non-destructive individual?

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
I understand that many Harry Potters fan do not understand why Twilight fans love Twilight so much and come to think of that, at times even i wonder why i fell for the series but why would you want to compare 2 books that aren't even the same?

Good you understand what you need to understand! I wish I could understand that why I just don't happen to come across many "die-hard Twilight fan" who can write eloquently, give proper logic and reasoning to support his or her stance without resorting to personal attacks, and can show me a different but strong point of view. A Twihard somehow putting in a convincing argument - ah, that'd be the day. Oh well, wishful thinking for now.

Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
but why would you want to compare 2 books that aren't even the same?

Because that, er, is the purpose of literature and a "Debate Mansion"? To compare, contrast, comment on, analyze, criticize, eulogize et al? But I guess real literature like Twilight needs to be given special treatment - they are sacred texts and hence are incomparable and untouchable. Well...if that helps to sustain the very little respect left for this series by actual critics, then so be it.

But then given, how unfairly ad unreasonably this particular thread was closed (by a "Viewbie" as well), I can't really expect anything better this time, now, can I? I wish a day would come when one could actually debate the pros and cons of a piece of art without being asked to "grow up" - but well...another wishful thinking for now as well.

Edited by Beyond_the_Veil - 14 years ago

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souro

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: blue-ice
Read the first HP book...loved it too...planning to read more...

You're still stuck at the first part. 😆
Well the save Potter squad of DM won't be able to jump on me anymore, now that I've read all the parts and seen all the movies.
Sadly, I still feel the series is pretty mediocre and not one character (talking about prominent characters) is likeable.

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Originally posted by: blue-ice

Exactly😆

They both belong in fantasy land...

I have read here in this thread HP fans saying that...Edward sparkles in the sun😆...if Edward sparkles then OMG Harry flies on a broom😆...

Its like a pot calling the kettle black...😆

Both of these series cater to a specific set of readers...escapists to be specific...they are both fantasy...its not as if twilight is about vampires and HP is about the harsh reality of kids dying in Africa...

I have read twilight...loved it..

Read the first HP book...loved it too...planning to read more...

The reason why I loved these fantasy novels...is because I live in a real worl...face problems everyday...reading these kinds of books is escaping from the real world into a world filled with wizards and vampires...relives me from some stress even if its for a little while..

In case, either of you two missed out something, the entire point of this thread was to debate the pros and cons of both of this series - without putting down any particular section of fans. Unfortunately, our much respected Viewbie "Angel-Jot." couldn't, when she resorted to calling fellow members to "grow up" in a highly condescending tone (but then, the "Edit" button may come in handy, and so, when I log in the next time, I could very well see that part edited out 😆). Up until her post, the debate was being catered towards the WORKS - not their fans.

I see nothing wrong with a good old literary debate. Harry Potter has been repeatedly compared with J. R. R. Tolkien's much-acclaimed Lord of the Rings - and you don't see either HP enthusiasts or LoTR enthusiasts making a huge song-and-dance about it regularly. It's simply a literary discussion. You find HP better, give your views. You like Twilight better, give your views. Comment on each others point. Dissect each others argument. Find holes, consistencies. Hold on to your stance if you believe yourself to be correct. These are all part of debating. If you can't tolerate that, then suck it up and move on. Throwing personal insults - by calling members to 'grow up' simply because one can't post anything sensible - isn't.

If anyone is still suspecting people of messing up the environment here, I'd suggest them to go through the first three pages until "Angel-Jot." joined in with her rant, (right down to calling members to "grow up") - up until that, there was NOT a single personal attack thrown at any member or any section of fans. None. You can quote me on that. I can challenge anyone on finding ONE single insult or personal attack previous to Angel-Jot's post. It was an absolutely perfect legible discussion up until then, where people were expressing their opinions and putting their POVs in a concise and coherent manner.

Edited by Beyond_the_Veil - 14 years ago

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

In case, either of you two missed out something, the entire point of this thread was to debate the pros and cons of both of this series - without putting down any particular section of fans. Unfortunately, our much respected Viewbie "Angel-Jot." couldn't, when she resorted to calling fellow members to "grow up" in a highly condescending tone (but then, the "Edit" button may come in handy, and so, when I log in the next time, I could very well see that part edited out 😆). Up until her post, the debate was being catered towards the WORKS - not their fans.

I see nothing wrong with a good old literary debate. Harry Potter has been repeatedly compared with J. R. R. Tolkien's much-acclaimed Lord of the Rings - and you don't see either HP enthusiasts or LoTR enthusiasts making a huge song-and-dance about it regularly. It's simply a literary discussion. You find HP better, give your views. You like Twilight better, give your views. Comment on each others point. Dissect each others argument. Find holes, consistencies. Hold on to your stance if you believe yourself to be correct. These are all part of debating. If you can't tolerate that, then suck it up and move on. Throwing personal insults - by calling members to 'grow up' simply because one can't post anything sensible - isn't.

If anyone is still suspecting people of messing up the environment here, I'd suggest them to go through the first three pages until "Angel-Jot." joined in with her rant, (right down to calling members to "grow up") - up until that, there was NOT a single personal attack thrown at any member or any section of fans. None. You can quote me on that. I can challenge anyone on finding ONE single insult or personal attack previous to Angel-Jot's post. It was an absolutely perfect legible discussion up until then, where people were expressing their opinions and putting their POVs in a concise and coherent manner.

mujhe kyon daant rahe ho bhai...maine kab mana kiya ki debate na karo😕

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Harjot.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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@Beyond_The_Veil: How long did you spend writing that? Honestly?
But dude, i stated my opinion and i respect yours.

Now, if "debating" over 2 completely different series is well, mature to you, then so be it. Continue to believe that but there is no need to be so rude and sarcastic about it.

As for the thread that Madz had closed, please tell me why you think that we don't know what we're doing? One, that has NOTHING to do with me or what we're discussing and two, what she did, it was her decision.

If i hurt your feelings in any way, i apologize. But i was merely stating my opinion. Unfortunately, even a civil comment seems to be dangerous to post on IF anymore.

-Jot.

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: souro

You're still stuck at the first part. 😆
Well the save Potter squad of DM won't be able to jump on me anymore, now that I've read all the parts and seen all the movies.
Sadly, I still feel the series is pretty mediocre and not one character (talking about prominent characters) is likeable.

Ya I am still on the first one😆...the problem is that when I read a book...I have to finish it one go...I can't read two pages and then read it the next day...was very very busy...had no time to read with our trip and then my son leaving for college...

BTW ROFLing at SPSODM(save Potter squad of DM)

You never know I might join them after I finish reading the HP series😆

I thought the character of HP was likeable and sweet ...I do not like the character of Bella though in twilight...she is one of the most stupid characters ever😆

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Originally posted by: Angel-Jot.
^*high five* dude, bulls eye. thank you. finally, someone sensible. =]

I was really hoping to hear something sensible from some Twilight enthusiasts but alas, I was disappointed this time as well. And no, calling other members to "grow up" isn't my idea of a very sensible post. But thankfully, blue_ice's first post at least shed some light about her POV about the pros and cons of both series - which she put in quite concisely and coherently without putting down members or a section of fans like you did.

And while you are at it, I'd be more than willing to know what was so insensible about the posts in the first three pages that the first post you found sensible was this one - care to clarify your stance (and no, if the only way you can do so is by calling others to 'grow up', I'd rather be content with my vision of Twihards being just how I'd always perceived them to be).

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

In case, either of you two missed out something, the entire point of this thread was to debate the pros and cons of both of this series - without putting down any particular section of fans. Unfortunately, our much respected Viewbie "Angel-Jot." couldn't, when she resorted to calling fellow members to "grow up" in a highly condescending tone (but then, the "Edit" button may come in handy, and so, when I log in the next time, I could very well see that part edited out 😆). Up until her post, the debate was being catered towards the WORKS - not their fans.
That part about 'much respected Viewbie "Angle-Jot"' had an equally if not more condescending tone.

I see nothing wrong with a good old literary debate. Harry Potter has been repeatedly compared with J. R. R. Tolkien's much-acclaimed Lord of the Rings - and you don't see either HP enthusiasts or LoTR enthusiasts making a huge song-and-dance about it regularly. It's simply a literary discussion. You find HP better, give your views. You like Twilight better, give your views. Comment on each others point. Dissect each others argument. Find holes, consistencies. Hold on to your stance if you believe yourself to be correct. These are all part of debating. If you can't tolerate that, then suck it up and move on. Throwing personal insults - by calling members to 'grow up' simply because one can't post anything sensible - isn't.
Do you know all HP fans? Do you know all LoTR fans? Does others objecting or not objecting in any way grants permission or bars someone from doing something? How do you know that she won't post her own reasons? How can you be sure that it was not her introductory speech and she won't come forth with other posts maybe to elaborate her views or to refute other's views? Why are you assuming so many things and yet accusing others of assuming something?

If anyone is still suspecting people of messing up the environment here, I'd suggest them to go through the first three pages until "Angel-Jot." joined in with her rant, (right down to calling members to "grow up") - up until that, there was NOT a single personal attack thrown at any member or any section of fans. None. You can quote me on that. I can challenge anyone on finding ONE single insult or personal attack previous to Angel-Jot's post. It was an absolutely perfect legible discussion up until then, where people were expressing their opinions and putting their POVs in a concise and coherent manner.
Did Angel-Jot ask you to grow up? No? Then why are you getting so hot and bothered about it?

Edited by souro - 14 years ago

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Harjot.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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^okay, woah there. i didn't put down anyone.
if that "grow up" was so offending to you, i'm sorry. But, you've taken this way too seriously. And that "grow up" was definitely not meant to you. What is the deal?

Think of Twi-hards however you want. I stated my opinion. And that was that.

Edited by Angel-Jot. - 14 years ago

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