harry potter vs twilight!

Originally posted by: taanu112

so we often wonder which is better! lets have a debate and decide finally which one is better!:)

no bashing please just state your opinion about why hp is better than twilight or vice-versa! ONLY give your points do not contradict others points!

ps-if u want to fight plz dont comment here!😃

Originally posted by: zorrro

Is it possible to have a debate without contradicting other points ????

If you do not want a debate why open the topic here why not in the fan section of HP or Twilight where only good things can be said about both?

Decide what you want first.

1. Plotting - None of them are very good, but when compared with Twilight, HP's plot seems like a masterpiece. Obviously HP's plotting is riddled with convenient plot devices like deus-ex-machina that Rowling use to movie her story ahead, but even then, it's head-and-shoulders above Twilight. It's glaringly obvious that Meyer didn't really have a proper planning of her series before starting to write the first installment. Rowling took years to plan and prepare her work even before writing her first book which is why the end result is so polished and mostly consistent.

2. a. Characterization - Harry Potter - Brilliant. No more word is needed to describe that. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Rowling's greatest strength as a writer, apart from her superb storytelling ability, lies in her knack of creating such a large stack of larger-than-life characters. Most of the characters in Twilight are extremely one-dimensional, with nothing to distinguish one from the other.

b. Character development - Almost all the characters go through changes and develop in the course of the seven books. It's easier to like characters who are so well-developed and three-dimensional like the ones in HP. Harry grows from someone so hot-headed and judgmental to someone more sensible. Ron grows out of his insecure, at-times jealous self and becomes competent in almost every level. Hermione grows from the over-critical, charmingly annoying and uptight girl to the very accepting, sensible and level-headed gal. Twilight...well, Edward starts out as a creepy, disturbing play-boyish vampire...and ends as the same. Bella starts out as the whiny, annoying, selfish and useless protagonist, and ends up as the...oh, the same annoying, irking, selfish, obnoxious and useless protagonist.

3. Settings - Rowling's 'world' is very vividly defined and described. Meyer's world falls short in comparison.

4. Themes - I can't really fathom any meaningful themes that can be deduced from Twilight. It's just a time-pass, up-market Mills and Boon story spiced with some new-age vampire fantasy fiction for teenyboppers. Harry Potter is vastly entertaining, and is commercialized so much that, much of what the series actually is about is lost and forgotten. Like it or not, Harry Potter speaks about universal, often controversial issues - of life and death, truth and lies, friendship and family, law and justice system, discrimination and prejudice, and many more.

5. Prose - Twilight - Purple prose - Urgh. Each sentence has about three or four adjective more than it needs. Everything is described - with extremely juvenile language - to such a ridiculously verbose and detailed level that it's not even funny. Harry Potter - Rowling needs to work on her prose, too. Even though she improved oodles with her writing from the first books - where her prose was downright mediocre - to the last ones, she still needs to polish it. But let's not fool ourselves into believing that the former is better than the latter despite the latter's weaknesses - let's face it, Twilight, in my opinion, has one of the very worst forms of prose I've ever encountered. It's just so juvenile and ostentatious that it's not even funny.

6. Dialogues - Rowling scores A+ here. Meyer gets a F. You may not like Harry Potter, but few will deny her skill at writing dialogues. Every character has their own voice, style of talking, etc. Rowling brings characters to life just by the way she writes the dialogues - every character speaks in a different way, different style, etc. Twilight...really, over half of the series is wasted upon Edward and Bella's often meaningless and worthless conversations, that are utterly tedious and goes nowhere for most part.

7. Imagination - The imagination encountered in Harry Potter is one-of-a-kind. It will sweep you off to a different 'world' contained within our world, but which is all so real, that it's difficult to believe it's just a fantasy fiction. Twilight is shockingly derivative and unoriginal. Harry Potter isn't overly original either. Rowling does seem to take things from here and there, but even then, as a whole, her works feel very real and full-of-life.

8. Message:

Harry Potter - "Make good friends, be loyal and helpful, follow the right path, make the right choices, and you'll triumph in the end."

Twilight - "Listen girls, you are nothing unless you have a sparkling gawwjuzz vampire for boyfriend. What good is family for you? What good is getting a good education? All you need to be happy and stay healthy is to have a boyfriend who sparkles all day and night, who watches you sleep, who dazzles you to death. Yes that's what life is all about." (Exaggerated on purpose).

Edited on 1st September.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

1. Plotting - None of them are very good, but when compared with Twilight, HP's plot seems like a masterpiece. Obviously HP's plotting is riddled with convenient plot devices like deus-ex-machina that Rowling use to movie her story ahead, but even then, it's head-and-shoulders above Twilight. It's glaringly obvious that Meyer didn't really have a proper planning of her series before starting to write the first installment. Rowling took years to plan and prepare her work even before writing her first book which is why the end result is so polished and mostly consistent.

2. a. Characterization - Harry Potter - Brilliant. No more word is needed to describe that. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Rowling's greatest strength as a writer, apart from her superb storytelling ability, lies in her knack of creating such a large stack of larger-than-life characters. Most of the characters in Twilight are extremely one-dimensional, with nothing to distinguish one from the other.

b. Character development - Almost all the characters go through changes and develop in the course of the seven books. It's easier to like characters who are so well-developed and three-dimensional like the ones in HP. Harry grows from someone so hot-headed and judgmental to someone more sensible. Ron grows out of his insecure, at-times jealous self and becomes competent in almost every level. Hermione grows from the over-critical, charmingly annoying and uptight girl to the very accepting, sensible and level-headed gal. Twilight...well, Edward starts out as a creepy, disturbing play-boyish vampire...and ends as the same. Bella starts out as the whiny, annoying, selfish and useless protagonist, and ends up as the...oh, the same annoying, irking, selfish, obnoxious and useless protagonist.

3. Settings - Rowling's 'world' is very vividly defined and described. Meyer's world falls short in comparison.

4. Themes - I can't really fathom any meaningful themes that can be deduced from Twilight. It's just a time-pass, up-market Mills and Boon story spiced with some new-age vampire fantasy fiction for teenyboppers. Harry Potter is vastly entertaining, and is commercialized so much that, much of what the series actually is about is lost and forgotten. Like it or not, Harry Potter speaks about universal, often controversial issues - of life and death, truth and lies, friendship and family, law and justice system, discrimination and prejudice, and many more.

5. Prose - Twilight - Purple prose - Urgh. Each sentence has about three or four adjective more than it needs. Everything is described - with extremely juvenile language - to such a ridiculously verbose and detailed level that it's not even funny. Harry Potter - Rowling needs to work on her prose, too. Even though she improved oodles with her writing from the first books - where her prose was downright mediocre - to the last ones, she still needs to polish it. But let's not fool ourselves into believing that the former is better than the latter despite the latter's weaknesses - let's face it, Twilight, in my opinion, has one of the very worst forms of prose I've ever encountered. It's just so juvenile and ostentatious that it's not even funny.

6. Dialogues - Rowling scores A+ here. Meyer gets a F. You may not like Harry Potter, but few will deny her skill at writing dialogues. Every character has their own voice, style of talking, etc. Rowling brings characters to life just by the way she writes the dialogues - every character speaks in a different way, different style, etc. Twilight...really, over half of the series is wasted upon Edward and Bella's often meaningless and worthless conversations, that are utterly tedious and goes nowhere for most part.

7. Imagination - The imagination encountered in Harry Potter is one-of-a-kind. It will sweep you off to a different 'world' contained within our world, but which is all so real, that it's difficult to believe it's just a fantasy fiction. Twilight is shockingly derivative and unoriginal. Harry Potter isn't overly original either. Rowling does seem to take things fro ehre and there, but even then, as a whole, her works feel very real and full-of-life.

5. Message:

Harry Potter - "Make good friends, be loyal and helpful, follow the right path, make the right choices, and you'll triumph in the end."

Twilight - "Listen girls, you are nothing unless you have a sparkling gawwjuzz vampire for boyfriend. What good is family for you? What good is getting a good education? All you need to be happy and stay healthy is to have a boyfriend who sparkles all day and night, who watches you sleep, who dazzles you to death. Yes that's what life is all about." (Exaggerated on purpose).

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

You're wrong - the Twilight series is SO much better. Why? Because I said so. Don't contradict me.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

False. What you said is inherently wrong and factually incorrect. But as per the old rule of this topic, do NOT contradict me. However, feel free to "debate" without that. 😆

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

1. Plotting - None of them are very good, but when compared with Twilight, HP's plot seems like a masterpiece. Obviously HP's plotting is riddled with convenient plot devices like deus-ex-machina that Rowling use to movie her story ahead, but even then, it's head-and-shoulders above Twilight. It's glaringly obvious that Meyer didn't really have a proper planning of her series before starting to write the first installment. Rowling took years to plan and prepare her work even before writing her first book which is why the end result is so polished and mostly consistent.

I disagree. The good vs. evil is an old and oft repeated plot line. The plot of Harry Potter is a cookie cutter plot that can be used to fit in every fantasy fiction - Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia you name it.

Twilight is so much better because the plot is more complex. It is not your stereotypical good versus. evil battle because there are no sides. In fact it addresses real and complex situations we face in life - our life choices - should Bella choose Jacob or Edward. It is probably the most confounding problem second only to Rebecca Black's decision on choosing the right seat.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

2. a. Characterization - Harry Potter - Brilliant. No more word is needed to describe that. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Rowling's greatest strength as a writer, apart from her superb storytelling ability, lies in her knack of creating such a large stack of larger-than-life characters. Most of the characters in Twilight are extremely one-dimensional, with nothing to distinguish one from the other.

Again Harry Potter characters are cookie cutter characters - wise old wizard, brave young hero, goofy sidekick, smart ass chick, bumbling fat buffoon, professor who makes your life miserable. Moreover it conforms to your stereotypical wizard world that has been repeated over centuries from Sabrina to Alex Russo.

Now Twilight takes the vampire genre and flips it on its head. The vampire is no longer confined to dark, brooding and mysterious sensuality - but he now sparkles in the sun. Sun, stakes no longer kill him - but he now sparkles in the sun. It takes guts and creativity to change the characterization of vampires from deathly creatures to sparkling diamonds.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

b. Character development - Almost all the characters go through changes and develop in the course of the seven books. It's easier to like characters who are so well-developed and three-dimensional like the ones in HP. Harry grows from someone so hot-headed and judgmental to someone more sensible. Ron grows out of his insecure, at-times jealous self and becomes competent in almost every level. Hermione grows from the over-critical, charmingly annoying and uptight girl to the very accepting, sensible and level-headed gal. Twilight...well, Edward starts out as a creepy, disturbing play-boyish vampire...and ends as the same. Bella starts out as the whiny, annoying, selfish and useless protagonist, and ends up as the...oh, the same annoying, irking, selfish, obnoxious and useless protagonist.

Look there is nothing impressive or creative about the way Rowling's characters develop. They simply grow up, like all people do. The only thing path breaking was probably Dumbledore being gay, but even that did not develop much.

Romance is redefined in Twilight as stalking and spying become an intrinsic part of romance. The characters develop from simple star crossed lovers to obsessive compulsive and neurotic behaviors. The romance itself rapidly develops from mere stalking to full fledge S&M. However, the most path breaking development is that from Jacob Black who goes from being the sensible, likable good guy to the pedophile who is in love with his ex flames infant child.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

3. Settings - Rowling's 'world' is very vividly defined and described. Meyer's world falls short in comparison.

Look it is not Meyer's fault that or world just exists. I mean how hard is it for you to look out of the window and look at the world just there, everyday 24/7. Now not everyone has been to Forks, Seattle and all - but what are you five. Just google the places. Why burden Stephanie to spell everything out for you???

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

4. Themes - I can't really fathom any meaningful themes that can be deduced from Twilight. It's just a time-pass, up-market Mills and Boon story spiced with some new-age vampire fantasy fiction for teenyboppers. Harry Potter is vastly entertaining, and is commercialized so much that, much of what the series actually is about is lost and forgotten. Like it or not, Harry Potter speaks about universal, often controversial issues - of life and death, truth and lies, friendship and family, law and justice system, discrimination and prejudice, and many more.

As I said Twilight is about choices. How much more meaningful can you get than choices? Vampire or Werewolf? Hasty Marriage or Wait? Violent Sex or Normal Sex? Violent Childbirth or Normal Childbirth? Vegetarianism or Meat consumption? Accept Pedophile ex or Reject Pedophile Ex? So many relevant themes based on conundrums people face everyday.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

5. Prose - Twilight - Purple prose - Urgh. Each sentence has about three or four adjective more than it needs. Everything is described - with extremely juvenile language - to such a ridiculously verbose and detailed level that it's not even funny. Harry Potter - Rowling needs to work on her prose, too. Even though she improved oodles with her writing from the first books - where her prose was downright mediocre - to the last ones, she still needs to polish it. But let's not fool ourselves into believing that the former is better than the latter despite the latter's weaknesses - let's face it, Twilight, in my opinion, has one of the very worst forms of prose I've ever encountered. It's just so juvenile and ostentatious that it's not even funny.

Make up your mind - does Twilight lack vivid description and definition or does it have too much vivid description and definition. AT least Meyer uses real worlds and does not make crap up on the fly.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

6. Dialogues - Rowling scores A+ here. Meyer gets a F. You may not like Harry Potter, but few will deny her skill at writing dialogues. Every character has their own voice, style of talking, etc. Rowling brings characters to life just by the way she writes the dialogues - every character speaks in a different way, different style, etc. Twilight...really, over half of the series is wasted upon Edward and Bella's often meaningless and worthless conversations, that are utterly tedious and goes nowhere for most part.

You are hard to please dude. Twilight has literary gold dialogues.

"And so the Lion fell in love with the lamb"

"About three things I was absolutely positive. First, Edward was a vampire. Second, there was part of him — and I didn't know how potent that part might be — that thirsted for my blood. And third, I was unconditionally and irrevocably in love with him."

Even Karan Johar or Yash Chopra can't imagine beating that level of saccharine sweetness.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

7. Imagination - The imagination encountered in Harry Potter is one-of-a-kind. It will sweep you off to a different 'world' contained within our world, but which is all so real, that it's difficult to believe it's just a fantasy fiction. Twilight is shockingly derivative and unoriginal. Harry Potter isn't overly original either. Rowling does seem to take things fro ehre and there, but even then, as a whole, her works feel very real and full-of-life.

Look it is easy to imagine a whole new world of magic, but it takes mastery to take mythical and magical creatures and fit them into our drab dull existence.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

5. Message:

Harry Potter - "Make good friends, be loyal and helpful, follow the right path, make the right choices, and you'll triumph in the end."

Twilight - "Listen girls, you are nothing unless you have a sparkling gawwjuzz vampire for boyfriend. What good is family for you? What good is getting a good education? All you need to be happy and stay healthy is to have a boyfriend who sparkles all day and night, who watches you sleep, who dazzles you to death. Yes that's what life is all about." (Exaggerated on purpose).