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Posted: 14 years ago
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@souro...You are right. Harry has no special quality and yet he is special. Because, as Dumbledore says, its not our qualities but our choices which truly defines us. He's special because he always made special choices. If you read the latter books, you'll be forced to conclude this.

I don't know this would be appropriate or not, but I would like to draw a comparison with an Indian serial - Chandragupta Maurya - which is supposedly a historical show. In that show, the 10 year old Chandragupta singlehandedly takes on a dozen armed goons - each of whom are twice his height and thrice his age - and beats them to pulp, then jumps off from a 800 ft cliff, masters all types of warfare in mere four days and even coolly walks past a fully grown mountain lion, unscathed. If this is heroism, then certainly Harry is in no way a hero.

Harry is like any other ordinary school going kid - he has his own share of fears, failures and vulnerabilities, which is conspicuously highlighted through out the series. Rowling never intended Harry to be a superhuman hero. Infact in Book 5 and 6 Harry himself wonders how can he possibly hope of defeating the most feared Dark wizard - he neither has any extraordinary skill nor knowledge. Dumbledore replies that he's extraordinary, simply because Voldemort himself made him extraordinary. The prophecy said '..He shall have power the dark lord knows not... The Dark lord shall mark him as his equal..' . This is the catch phrase. Voldemort himself marked Harry as a threat - his equal - and thus made him special. Harry, or for that matter, no wizard could have ever overpowered Voldemort through magical skills, but Voldemort was defeated by a greater power of which he had neither knowledge nor understanding - the power of love and sacrifice.

This plays a crucial role through out the entire series. Our downfall is often hidden in those things which we disdain the most - love, loyalty, friendship, innocence - we, more than often, ignore that they all have a power beyond all physical force or riches one can hope to accumulate. I don't think even the so called matured and realistic novels can give this piece of underlying practical wisdom more tacitly. Perhaps that is why Harry Potter Series, in spite of being a kiddish fantasy, is universally loved and treasured by readers of all ages.

As for Dumbledore appearing partial to Harry, you need to understand that Harry was Dumbledore's trump card in his Grand strategy to bring about Voldy's defeat. He couldn't have afforded Harry's expulsion under any circumstance. Dumbledore had never stopped Harry from his 'nosey' adventures, because, as he would later imply to Snape, he wanted Harry to try his strength and be prepared for the days ahead. Dumbledore had carefully planned his every move around him right from the day he had placed the infant Harry in the care of the Dursleys and even after his own death, he ensured Harry's triumph.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Last week I saw the last days of Harry Potter on YT. I couldn't help but get teary-eyed at Dan's hurried speech and group hug between the trio. A couple days ago, I cried again at the live premiere in Trafalgar Square--how could I not watching Emma and Jo break down like that and give such beautiful speeches?

Up until June, I was super duper excited about the last movie..still am, but since last week or so, it's been sinking in that this is it...it all ends now and I can't help but be sad--I hate goodbyes and ends. I've been a Potterhead for the last 10 years now--about half my life. I still remember when and how I started reading. We had just moved to the States and my mom's colleagues recommended Harry Potter to her. She read them and loved it..dragged us to the theaters to watch the first Harry Potter movie and I was drawn into this alternate world. I started reading when I got home and I haven't stopped since. People say Harry Potter is just a series of books in which a bad guy battles the bad guy. I beg to differ--it's so much more than that. I can't even fully describe what Potter really is. Yes it's an alternate world with magical creatures but it's still very realistic. There are so many life lessons to be learned from them.
Personally I was never a big fan of The Chronicles of Narnia or The Lord of the Rings. Somehow I always got bored while reading them. So for me, Jo has already reached Lewis's and Tolkien's levels. Her imagination is unbelievable and her ability to weave a story and connect it so well to the beginning is amazing. I do think Harry Potter will survive the test of time. It is a book for all ages, not just children.
I love too many things about Harry Potter but one thing that always stood out for me is that the characters are not black and white--they're all grey--many of them maturing so well and doing things that no one would have thought they would in the first book. Harry is just like any other average teenager--he gets frustrated, jealous, insecure, scared, loves to have fun, average at studies, yet his bravery, determination, ability to love, his decisions set him apart from the rest. He is extraordinary because of his choices, not his actions. Ron is a loyal friend but he is extremely insecure of those who are "better" than him. Hermione is an annoying know-it-all who refuses to accept that she can wrong, yet she is extremely loyal, brave, fair, and determined to do what's right. Dumbledore is the wise man, who always knows what to do in a crisis, can solve any problem, yet he has a horrible past. Snape is the most misunderstood character of the series. Jo even managed to make me, and Harry, feel a little sympathetic towards Lord Voldemort when we learn that his mom refused to use magic to stay alive for her son.
I don't mind if people don't like Harry Potter..as long as they've given it a small chance. My cousins tell me the book is too fat to read. All I can say is, once you start, you don't realize it. Some tell me that it doesn't focus on the love stories. Well Harry Potter was never about the love stories in the first place. It was always about friendship, the battle between good and evil, death.
I don't cry in books. I am a visual person and I cry far more easily in movies than in books. But Harry has always been different. I've bawled when Sirius died, when Dumbledore died, when Hedwig and Mad-Eye died, when Dobby died, when Freddie died (in fact I am quite sure I screamed NO when this happened) and the end. It's not only limited to those though, I've sobbed throughout the Prince's tale, when Harry vists his parent's grave and sees his house--when he finds love at the Burrow, and so much more. Yet, I've laughed just as many times at the Weasley's sense of humor, Luna's strangeness, the situations, etc. All I can say is I am extremely proud to belong to the Harry Potter generation.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Okay, this is one honest question to Potter fan[atics]: How do you feel when people badmouths Potter, especially without even touching one of them beforehand? I am surrounded with such phonies (excuse me if I sound like Holden Caulfield now) all around me. Very few people in my class has ever taken the trouble to read or even know a bit about Potter before demeaning it. Some of my friends are also amongst this group. Personally, it infuriates me - but then I realize that I was in their places at one time too. 😆



My best friend refused to read the books. I tried to get her to read them once, but she stopped half way though the first one. I think that sometimes fantasy is more difficult to read when you're older, and maybe that is why people have such difficulty reading these books as adults (or some do, at least). Anyway, last year, I bought her all seven books for her birthday - she started reading them again and was instantly hooked! Now she is just as obsessed as I am with the series.

I have forced a lot of people to read these books. And I know way too many people that are as obsessed as I am. For those that aren't, I ignore them. They don't deserve to know what they're missing out on anyway. 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

I've read only three of the books and I didn't like a single character.
1. Harry Potter - The big hero, whom everyone worships. Has no special quality and is not even good at magic. Is lousy at thinking things through. Only good at quidditch and parseltongue. I'd have understood if he had stuck to playing quidditch and became famous for that. I'd have even understood if he had come across something by accident but informed the teachers and let them handle it. But no, he has to poke his nose in all the unwanted places. Doesn't know what he is doing. And yet, because J.K.Rowling intended it to be that way, he wins at the end and people fall all over themselves once again when they see him.
2. Ron - Poor in magic. Poor in studies. Zero ability in analysing. Good at nothing, except for chess.
3. Hermione - Good in studies. Has good knowledge about many things. But she acts like a bloody snitch, even threatening to tattle on her own friends. Only time she tried to shield someone was when her own sorry little life was saved. It's surprising that Harry & Ron actually entertained her as a friend of theirs (I guess, given the pathetic level of Harry and especially Ron's intelligence, they had to).
4. Neville - Snivelling, bumbling, idiot.
5. McGonagall - Awards 5 points for tackling a troll and saving someone's life and takes away 50 points for wandering around at night. Need I say more?
6. Dumbledore - Somewhat likeable character. However, comes across as partial to Harry.
7. Hagrid - Another somewhat likeable character but would've been better if he was not so dimwitted. Sending two kids in pursuit of a spider who kills humans. Seriously?

Some likeable characters these are.



The best part of the Harry Potter series is that these characters are inherently flawed. They have both strengths and weaknesses, and it is exactly that combination that makes the characters so real (to me, at least). If all the characters were perfect, there would be no development nor any growth. What makes the bond grow stronger between the characters and the readers is how they grow from book one all the way to book seven. Rowling spends a lot of time even in the last book to show character development. If you read the whole series with an open mind, you'll see that there are a lot of differences between the 11-year old Harry, Ron and Hermione that we see in book one and the adult trio.

Addressing some of your concerns above (although Labib has done a great job already):

-Harry's whole journey is based on the very fact that he is an ordinary boy stuck with extraordinary circumstances. He is not special (or not as special as people make him out to be at least), and he does not want to be special, but people continue to mark him above the rest. However, if you continue to read the series, you will realize that the very people that initially raise Harry on that pedestal are also the ones that easily push him off the pedestal. This internal struggle that Harry has to deal with in order to differentiate between people who actually care and those who only pretend is something Harry has to deal with throughout his journey. He's not perfect, but he's always expected to exemplify perfection (in forms of courage, bravery, nobility, etc.)

-Ouch! Your analysis of Ron and Hermione is very harsh. I wish you would give the books a chance to see how these young kids grow into strong, matured adults by the end of the series. Ron is not special, he does not stand out, but he's lovable. Hermione is brilliant, but she is also imperfect. More than their perfections, it is the fact that they are imperfect (much like us) that draws readers closer to them. This fact comes across most through Dumbledore (which is the only character that you seem to like). If you continue reading the series, you will realize that Dumbledore has also lived a life of imperfections. And perhaps it is then, that he becomes more real than ever in the whole series.

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Some people enjoy reading books with perfect characters who do perfect things, and other people enjoy reading books with flawed characters who don't always do the right thing or make the right choices, but they come with good intentions. To me the latter is more real and easier to relate to, but we all see things differently.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocolover89

Last week I saw the last days of Harry Potter on YT. I couldn't help but get teary-eyed at Dan's hurried speech and group hug between the trio.

Will you share the link, please?

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Posted: 14 years ago
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1. Didn't contribute a single dime to this franchise. Not books, not movies.
2. Anytime an adult is "into" fictional characters and/or celebrities, that adult has issues.
3. The way Rowling went after RDR Books over the publication of Vander Ark's Lexicon in book form, that too after using that website for her own research, clearly shows that she is one greedy 🤬
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

3. The way Rowling went after RDR Books over the publication of Vander Ark's Lexicon in book form

And why shouldn't she? She had said that she's going to publish her own Encyclopedia at some point - why shouldn't she sue if people make money by HER own creation without even consulting her for once? It did go against the copyright law which is why Rowling won in the end.

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

that too after using that website for her own research, clearly shows that she is one greedy 🤬

How does that automatically imply that she was being greedy? She's already had enough to want more. And it's not like suing him is going to double her fortune or anything.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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POH, I am pretty sure I saw you asking for reliable links to the source of my information (indicating that you didn't know that this happened) but later found out that what I posted was true (By Rowling's own admission: "This is such a great site that I have been known to sneak into an internet caf while out writing and check a fact rather than go into a bookshop and buy a copy of Harry Potter which is embarrassing. A website for the dangerously obsessive; my natural home.") so you withdrew your demand for links but still decided to support her anyway because you are a fan and nothing is going to change your opinion of her.

As a rule, I don't argue with fans.


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Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

POH, I am pretty sure I saw you asking for reliable links to the source of my information (indicating that you didn't know that this happened) but later found out that what I posted was true (By Rowling's own admission: "This is such a great site that I have been known to sneak into an internet caf while out writing and check a fact rather than go into a bookshop and buy a copy of Harry Potter which is embarrassing. A website for the dangerously obsessive; my natural home.") so you withdrew your demand for links but still decided to support her anyway because you are a fan and nothing is going to change your opinion of her.

Yes, I took it off because I saw your assertion was right - she did use that site to do her research, but that does not, by any stretch of imagination, mean that what she did was wrong - and I am NOT saying that because I am her fan. Maybe you could enlighten how that was so? She did not ask him to take his site off the internet. To quote her: "I took no pleasure at all in bringing legal action and am delighted that this issue has been resolved favorably. I went to court to uphold the right of authors everywhere to protect their own original work. The court has upheld that right. The proposed book took an enormous amount of my work and added virtually no original commentary of its own. Many books have been published which offer original insights into the world of Harry Potter. The Lexicon just is not one of them." She obviously is going to sue people if they are making profits out of her creation without even consulting her or her agent. Like it or not, it does go against the copyright law, which is why she and her publishing agent won in the end. The final verdict was: "because the Lexicon appropriates too much of Rowling's creative work for its purposes as a reference guide, a permanent injunction must issue to prevent the possible proliferation of works that do the same and thus deplete the incentive for original authors to create new works."


Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

As a rule, I don't argue with fans.

Now who is being presumptuous here? 🤔 Moreover, you haven't answered my question on how her suing RDR's books on the publication of HP Lexicon in book format inherently makes her greedy?

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

so you withdrew your demand for links but still decided to support her anyway because you are a fan and nothing is going to change your opinion of her.

I did give my reasons - maybe you missed that? 'Cause I can't see you answering. I will ask it again: How does her suing RDR's books make her greedy? She'd made millions - sometimes it is even rumored to be over one billion (which makes her richer than the Queen of England) - so the settlement she received does not make an ounce of difference to her life.
I don't think you'd like it very much if I compile a large amount of your posts and then publish them in book format to make profits out of them, will you? All your posts are visible in the 'My Post' option, and I don't think you actually mind that, do you? But would you like it if I - or IF's owner - publish them as a book without your consent at all?
Edited by PhoeniXof_Hades - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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By the way:

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

2. Anytime an adult is "into" fictional characters and/or celebrities, that adult has issues.

So would you say that all authors have "issues"? Because it's practically impossible to write a novel and not get emotionally attached to its [fictional] characters and world and events.

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