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Posted: 9 years ago
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@sur I did think about Ishrat but if it is Ishrat Jahan, one of the 3 people killed in that encounter can be innocent. Not necessarily Ishrat just because she is a woman. We never know about the other 2. Ishrat has been named in Lakshar e taiba website as a martyr and also David Headley spoke about her. But maybe 1 of the other 2 could have been a victim.
And coming to Adarsh taking Swa and leaving her alone in that room. It is what happens to a woman post marriage. Her relations always secondary. His relations priority. The show is about a woman who crosses the threshold for her relations.
A woman's side cannot be correct, only a boy's side can. Show has so many messages
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Anyone knows the last date of the show??
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Is there any importance of leading life a certain way

When I was young, and acted silly, my mum always told me that people around me are always judging me based on my actions, irrespective of whether they tell me that they are doing it or not. So, it was important that I always behaved well. The moment I saw Asad die, and realized that there are so many things that will go against him, I called my mum and thanked her for teaching me to behave well and say the right things in public. His immaturity, the friends he kept, his equation with Yash, everything will go against this kid now.
Then, I saw the way Haider maamu is being treated. What has this man done wrong in his life. He was everything that Asad wasn't. So, why is he being punished? Then I called my mum back and told her that I had also understood that as well behaved as I may be, if my time is incorrect, nothing can help me. That is the true reality!

The bigger context

Forget Dahleez. This is just a show. Think of the bigger context. The world is becoming more and more deadly each day. We go to airports, train stations, bus stations, we are apprehensive. None of us feel a sense of "we live in a safe world". That just doesn't exist unless you are less than 5 years old maybe. We are all weary of each other. And that is the unfortunate truth.

Some one around you is speaking in a language you don't understand, you may not react to it. But is it not true that you are hoping and praying that they don't mean any harm? Some one forgets a briefcase in the airport, the next thing you know, there is a bomb squad making sure there is no problem. Why such mistrust? Why so jittery? Unfortunately, this is reality today. We live in a world of unrest. We live in a world of un-equals. And each and every one of us is judgmental. Each and every one of us will conclude what we think is obvious in any situation. I can bet, if we didn't have the entire life story of Asad and maamu if front of us now, we would also be supporting just Suhasini and not Zubaida. Whether we want to accept it or not, this is reality.

Solving a crime

When the odds are against any situation, how do you establish a sense of reality? When there is no physical evidence, but a crime has happened, you start joining dots that may or may not be relevant to complete the puzzle.

If now Asad was murdered under different circumstances, do you think that a lawyer trying to establish the trust of his death would not question Swadheenta about her last words to him? "Tu mar wahi pe". So she would become a suspect in a sense. But did she say those words with that intent? Aapne aise kyon kaha tha Swadheenta ji? Aap naraaz thi unse. Itni naraaz ki unka khoon kar diya.. is there any rationality to this? But is this not the truth?

When you have no concrete evidence, you start thinking of everything that could be evidence to support your theory. It is natural.

Adarsh, the Man

I know a lot of people have a problem with him. I also know that I have become infamous for defending him all the time. But I will do it again (living up to my reputation).

I haven't seen a more consistent character. Even when he is emotional, he does not act only based on his emotions. Unless he has evidence that supports his emotions, he does not act. He is a man of principles. If there is anything against his principles, he will not do it. And he is also inclined to follow his principles, no matter what the situation. He always looked up to his father and sought his appreciation. But even to please him, he would no do something incorrect. He stood against his father. He loves Swadheenta to bits. He knew his relationship with her was at stake. But when he thought appa was wrong in using physical violence, he stood against her. Today, he lost his dear brother under unnatural circumstances. And he is being told that Asad killed Abhay. He did not immediately go and fight. Even in his most distressed state, even if it was in his mind, he looked for evidence. Was this even possible? Then, he thought of instances that could lead to this conclusion. Only after that did he react.

Tomorrow, if he is shown evidence that his dad was wrong, he will fight against him. If he is shown evidence that maamu and Asad are innocent, he will support them. Because he is that kind of a man.

Understanding is the first step to acceptance, and only with acceptance comes recovery.

The one line from Harry Potter that still sticks with me. How true is that. Until you understand what has gone wrong, you cannot accept it. And unless you accept it, there is no recovery.

It may seem like 3 days to us, but in reality, it probably is 3 hours since when Abhay died. The pain is still too raw to process. Give everyone some time to analyze, understand, accept and recovery. And make no mistake, they will. It won't be too long before everyone will stand by the Jilani's.

I want to end this by stating something that Pom said yesterday. If the cop who died was anyone other than Abhay, Adarsh would have fought tooth and nail to have Asad and maamu released. But the cop happens to be Abhay. That changes all the odds.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Gayatri to tell it wont change is like telling this is our fate. But as a person I believe if we want change will happen. For that as a person we have to change a bit of our perspective, that's it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Naq - Regarding the gift. Maamu told everyone that Aravind gave the gift. No one actually saw Aravind giving the gift to maamu. So, Swadheenta who knows maamu best can believe his words. But Adarsh who does not know maamu so well has no reasons to take his word for granted. The unfortunate truth is that no one can confirm to having seen Aravind give the gift to maamu. (Atleast none of of the important characters)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@priti good defense of Adarsh. And I completely agree to you. Actually I do not have any problem with Adarsh's characterization. I understand from where he coming. Today also if you look he didn't push or speak indecent words to Zubaida. He spoke to Haider only.
And in the room how much ever I wanted Adarsh to be with Swa I had to give him for one thing. He didn't drag her out from the room. He cannot grieve over Asad at this point. But he allowed Swa to grieve.
And Adarsh characterization is inline with principles. Principles will act based on evidence. So evidence has to come for him to come out of trauma.
And once again you have done a beautiful analysis from the epi perspective, while I was lost in drawing larger message.
But let me tell you the truth, if I couldn't connect to parallels, it was really becoming difficult for me to watch it. Because emotions were that raw
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@sur I did think about Ishrat but if it is Ishrat Jahan, one of the 3 people killed in that encounter can be innocent. Not necessarily Ishrat just because she is a woman. We never know about the other 2. Ishrat has been named in Lakshar e taiba website as a martyr and also David Headley spoke about her. But maybe 1 of the other 2 could have been a victim.

And coming to Adarsh taking Swa and leaving her alone in that room. It is what happens to a woman post marriage. Her relations always secondary. His relations priority. The show is about a woman who crosses the threshold for her relations.
A woman's side cannot be correct, only a boy's side can. Show has so many messages


I am not so sure that I completely agree with you here Shru. In the general context yes. A man's relations become more important. But the way it was shown yesterday, I am not so sure.

I think Swa went to Adarsh and his family because Abhay had died. Maamu and been arrested, and she did not know about Asad. So, aerested v/s death, Abhay's loss gains more importance. She wanted to support his family because theirs was a bigger loss in the situation.

When they found out about Asad, he was already branded a terrorist. Then, Adarsh did not want to stay in the presence of someone who killed his brother. But even in his sense of rage, he understood the need for Swa to grieve. That is why he did not pull her away from Asad's body. But subsequently, he could not leave her alone in the midst of people that he truly believed hurt Abhay. That he why he took her home.

I don't think they necessarily meant to show that Adarsh valued his relations more than hers. At-least that is not the impression I got. Tomorrow, if he finds evidence of Asad's innocence, he will support Swa through and through. I believe that...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Read an update for fans on Chirag's profile on insta. He said the show was bound to end like this. evrything was scripted way before. Now I know why they used to show asad as swadhinta's most lovable person and Abhay as suha's.

In the first episode Adarsh said,'Freedom,Azaadi !! kis bandhish se azaad karvane ayi ho muje.. ye to waqt hi batayega.' i think ab vo waqt aya hai. swa will free him from his own thoughts, which is leading him towards being so irrational.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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That's the thing about this show, more than anything it is realistic.. it is a kind of mature love story with a sneak a peek in the law world .. They say , movies n media are supposed to a be peek through of the real world .. n that is what is being shown here .. how things are misunderstood n how innocent people are put to blame just coz somebody has to be put to blame .. how people who know the truth don't open their mouths for they have their own battle to fight no matter what happens to the other as result of their silence.. as a show , one generally expects some miracles like the dead hero getting back his life after people sob for him n stuff .. but this is a way past that .. I do like the way the makers try to portray reality in their own little way ..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@priti I never said it in epi context. You need to understand this post is on larger context. 😆😆. Epi context tum ho. Anyways I am going to make one more post.

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