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Posted: 15 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: why3

Gardes, you raised so many good points and everyone has such excellent responses. I am going put some more thoughts to one of your questions.
Is the conflict between the 2 women perceived by Radhika more and is it underestimated or ignored by Dev?
Dev doesn't really understand or even know about the conflict between his mother and Dadi. Dadi has always been his confidant and his mother adored him. After the first marriage debacle for Dev and Vaishali's rigid response, Dev doesn't confide in Vaishali and became a distanced son who respects his mother, but doesn't really trust her. That distrust increased after Vaishali went behind his back and asked Radhika to leave Dev alone. Now Dev only knows that Vaishali's reluctance was due to him having only one marriage in his kundli and maybe because Radhika is not a biological daughter of a high caste family. But he thinks that she has now agreed to his wishes. Also, Vaishali seemed to like Radhika before the marriage even if she was never very warm towards her.
Dadi on the other hand adores Radhika and never liked Vishaka. She only tolerated Vishaka because she was under the impression that Vishaka is Dev's love. Dadi has always censored Vaishali whenever Vaishali crosses her limits and Vaishali being traditional has so far never disobeyed Dadi (I think this is going to come as Vaishali is getting riled up and will blow up one day).
Radhika is a sensitive person as she was always an outsider everywhere. Only with Dev, she can be herself without being judged. Dev is her best friend, confidant besides being her lover and husband. So, she can see the resentment in Vaishali and understands that even one mistake from her will increase the anger. Radhika has always respected her elders and since Vaishali is also Dev's mother, she gets that added respect. After Dev and Shastriji, she is close to Dadi. Even yesterday, they showed her hugging Dadi but not Vaishali. In fact, Vaishali did not even say a word or blessed her when Radhika touched her feet. Even when Radhika was living at PB, Vaishali turned against her even after one perceived mistake (meeting Purab) even though Radhika had done so much for the family before. So, Radhika has to constantly prove herself to Vaishali that she is worthy of being CB of this family.
Dev doesn't understand that. He has never been in Radhika's situation. He knows that Radhika was mistreated at her own house. Here, he knows that the evil trio doesn't like her, but he is not concerned about that as they are not powerful. Other than that, he knows that Vivek and Dadi are big supporters of Radhika and he himself is there so he feels that Radhika is an adored member of his family. Dev's thinking is from his paternal side (grandfather, grandmother, father) and so he doesn't relate to the narrow mindedness of Vaishali. Also, he has a lot of confidence in his own abilities to protect Radhika and hence his blindness towards his own mother.
Does Dev understand that Radhika has to live more in the jenana (women's world) than in Dev's arms?
Dev knows that but he doesn't understand the complications. He is not concerned with small matters and will only involve himself if Radhika complains or he overhears something. Other than that, he is least interested. He is so traditional that he doesn't even take a glass of water himself and has always relied on Radhika to serve him. His expectations from his wife is that she will do all the RP duties, keep peace in family and be traditional. In return, he likes to protect her and indulge her. He used to give lectures to Vishaka all the time about being proper CB especially after Radhika left his house. On the other hand, he doesn't need to do that with Radhika as Radhika overdoes the duty stuff anyway. If anything, he has to ask her to tone it down so that Radhika can take care of herself too and doesn't get exploited by people like Mrinalini.

Does Dev see the intensity of the tug-of-war in the PB household with Radhika caught in the middle of it and she may not wish to inflame it further?

I think he sees it to some extent as evident in Puja and other stuff. He even appreciates her efforts to fit in the family, but he feels that any conflict is due to Mrinalini and not Vaishali. He is blind to the fact that Radhika is least concerned about Mrinalini (look at her response to Neg from Mrin), but is more affected by Vaishali because Vaishali is Dev's mother and also because Radhika knows that Vaishali does love Dev intensly. He doesn't even see that sometimes Dadi keeps quiet even if Vaishali is unjust towards Radhika to maintain peace. Dadi knows that Vaishali is being influenced by Mrin, but is helpless at this time to do anything about it. She has tried to make Vaishali understand the value of Radhika, but knows that she can only do so much. Hence, it would be Radhika's burden to keep on proving to Vaishali as expected by Shastriji. Since Radhika is always going to be quiet about Vaishali's behavior, Dev will never know unless Dadi tells him or he sees it himself. Therefore, Radhika will always be balancing herself between his wishes and Vaishali's immaturish behavior.

I will write more later on other questions.

Why, you and Angake have taken the time to address the issues individually.and I appreciate your responses so much. You have explained the family dynamics with each character and it is really informative. I am short on time but I will keep revisiting the responses. It also helps me understand where the rest of the characters come from in viewing RaDev's relationship and the uniquely different, yet in some ways the same dynamics between the 2 parivaars. Puroghits are a bigger family so more is involved but Shashtriji being a smaller unit has similar approach to duty and obligation. Thanks for taking the time out to write back such a thoughtful responses to individual questions in terms of the 2 parivaars.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: misti73

Gardes excellent post👏

Some people in this thread have mentioned that Radhika gives more importance to duty than to love, but to me she equates love with duty. I don't think that Radhika knows that duty and love are two very different things. This is probably because it has been drilled in her brain that in order to prove her love she has to do some duties, she thinks that they are the same.
The other thing that I would like to say is that communication is the basis of any relationship. So like any other marriage, Radhika and Devs marriage will only survive if they communicate with each other and take decisons jointly as far as possible...........this is more for Radhika because she has this habit of taking decisions without thinking or asking other peoples opinion or thinking about other peoples feelings. This might be because until now she has always been alone and she only had to look out for herself. Although she always wanted to share her feelings with someone who understands her, but since she could never do that, most probably she does not know how to share.

Misti, Thanks for your serious response and fulfilling my wish of a parody! I will breakdown your post into 2 separate responses to keep the seriousness and hilarity apart...... 😛😛
Your summarizing Radhika's inability to differentiate between love and duty is very much to the point! I think too that communication - active talking and listening - can help overcome a lot of obstacles. Up to a point both of them are responsible for taking matters into their own hands and we will see how far these 2 will fly on their wings of love alone! We are going to see Vishakha track in the next few weeks and RAdhika has unilaterally made a vachan to Amma about helping her and again fall right back in the trap and this time dragging unsuspecting Dev into the Shashtri parivaar drama!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: misti73

Anyway since you are expecting a parody from me, here it is...........I want Dev to sing this in front of purohit-shastri clan. The parody is based on a song from Kalia......with Amitabh Bacchan singing the song
Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai
Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai

Sach na kaha koi jane kisliye
Buddhu samajh ke shayad isliye
Dekh abbe gadho

Bheja khol kar

Arre dekh abbe gadho

Bheja khol kar

Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai

Kyon nahi ullu apna khopri use karta
kaam nahi hai yeh hai tere baska
Kyon nahi ullu apna khopri use karta

kaam nahi hai yeh hai tere baska
Sapne se bahar aaja akal kidhar hai
Arre sapne se bahar aaja akal kidhar hai

Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai

Radhika ke khilaf jo utha hai larne
Gadhe ki tarah apna ulloo sidha karne
Arre Radhika ke khilaf jo utha hai larne
Gadhe ki tarah apna ulloo sidha karne

Bheja khali kya yeh pata hai
Bheja khali kya yeh pata hai

Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai

Akal yeh banda ayese use kar jaaye
Seedhi chhez ko bhi ulti kar jaye
Gili Gili Gili Gili Gili Gili
Arre akal yeh bande ayese use kar jaaye
Seedhi chhez ko bhi ulti kar jaye
Dekh karishma hum abh bhi saath hai
Dekh karishma hum abh bhi saath hai

Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai

Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai
Sach na kaha koi jane kisliye
Buddhu samajh ke shayad isliye
Dekh abbe gadho

Bheja khol kar

Arre dekh abbe gadho

Bheja khol kar

Ki yeh teri ulti akal hai
Mere chamcho mujhe khabar hai

Misti, thanks for fulfilling my wish for a parody. You did a great job with selecting the right tune and the hilarious words! I had youtube clip playing as I was reading and burst out laughing with the "Gili, Gili" part. It flowed so well between the 2. You made me happy! 😛😛
Here is my response to you. I am short on time as it is back-to-work eve and much to take care of for the upcoming week...!
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Response tumhein bheja hai post mein
Parody nahin, mera appreciation hai
Misti, "buddy" meri, tumhi bataana
Kya yeh tumhaare kaabil hai
Admiration chhipa meri lines mein itna
Jitne saagar mein moti
Aise hi parody likhte rehna
IF mein main khush rehti!
Edited by gardes - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: rajsri

Thanks for putting up this wonderful post, Gardes. I enjoyed reading everyone's replies ... agree with most of them

As far as I see it, I think neither was at fault.
- Dev was being overprotective of his wife, who he knows has a tendency to overdo things and give priority to duty over her own well-being.
- Rads on the other hand feels better and wants to start taking up her responsibilities as CB.
- Rads understood that why he was being overprotective, but went ahead and did what she felt she needed to do ... knew that he would be angry and so tried to pacify him.

I do not see her behavior as being mahaan. Unlike Vishaka, she loves doing these rasams and is eagerly looking forward to being the CB of the house. She also knows that by her looking good, she will make Dev look good

As some of you had pointed out, the beginning few years of a couple's married life are the best and worst of times. Also, if you add the whole joint family set up to this (esp the PB joint family) it complicates matters enormously. I think we will see more of this - where Dev to the extent he knows will step in and be overprotective of Rads while Rads will go out of the way to prove herself as a worthy CB.

As a couple, given the expectations that the entire family has of them, they need to strike the right balance. As much as I love Dev for being overprotective, Rads does not need to listen to him all the time. To that extent, I think she is a very different wife from Deviki who is very obedient . Rads on the other hand, is so deeply connected to Dev that she feels totally comfortable challenging him. She does however need to respect his wishes where her family is concerned.

The last few episodes have re-iterated for me what is amazing abt CB ... the deep connection between the two ... how despite being so different from each other, they are perfect together.

It will be interesting to see how they strike the balance with her family - her nature is such that she will go out of the way for everyone around her, (whether it is her or his family) ... it will be interesting to see how and where Dev draws the line where her family is concerned.

Rajshi, thanks for addressing the fact that each newly married couple goes though an adjustment period and your own perspective on how you view the last few episodes. Both will test boundaries with each other and the day RaDev strike the right balance the show will end because they will not have conflicts left to show or will have run out of coherent new tracks! 😛😛
All joking aside, each track will likely be shown will some discord between the 2 and re-uniting based on their love and understanding. Also, at times a person trying to be protective can lose sight of that thin line between protective and over-protective that borders on stifling. And a person overconfident in their ability can reach a bit further out over the safety ledge and fall and hurt himself/herself. How the writers maintain that boundary will be seen over the upcoming tracks! Hope the show still maintains its charm and remains interesting to watch!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: gardes

Thanks, Bee, for your input. I have conflicting emotions on the questions I have raised. If I look at it from my husband's perspective, the outcome may be very different than if I were looking at it simply from mine. The responses are truely amazing and fun to read. All the postees have viewed the show over time and have presented great rationale for their viewpoint. I really need to revisit all the posts again to truely appreciate everyone's thoughts. I purposefully chose to stay away from Amma's issue and overruling Kaanha's justice and kept the discussion to a interpersonal relationship of a newly married couple and finding their place in a household.

Gardes,
Yes, if we try to look for answers from our personal life, the answers would be conflicting because it all depends on circumstances and to what extent one needs to compromise is totally debatable. Also the questions you raised cover too vast an area and it is impossible to provide any easy answer (there would be no satisfatory answer while we are penning those answers unless we have written pages and pages), that is the reason I just chose only 1 issue and tried to provide my views from what I gather from the show rather take examples (or draw an answer) from my personal life.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: gardes

Misti, Thanks for your serious response and fulfilling my wish of a parody! I will breakdown your post into 2 separate responses to keep the seriousness and hilarity apart...... 😛😛
Your summarizing Radhika's inability to differentiate between love and duty is very much to the point! I think too that communication - active talking and listening - can help overcome a lot of obstacles. Up to a point both of them are responsible for taking matters into their own hands and we will see how far these 2 will fly on their wings of love alone! We are going to see Vishakha track in the next few weeks and RAdhika has unilaterally made a vachan to Amma about helping her and again fall right back in the trap and this time dragging unsuspecting Dev into the Shashtri parivaar drama!



"We are going to see Vishakha track in the next few weeks and RAdhika has unilaterally made a vachan to Amma about helping her and again fall right back in the trap and this time dragging unsuspecting Dev into the Shashtri parivaar drama! " Thats when Pied Piper of Vrindavan track will come into play 😉
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Posted: 15 years ago
#37
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Originally posted by: gardes

Misti, thanks for fulfilling my wish for a parody. You did a great job with selecting the right tune and the hilarious words! I had youtube clip playing as I was reading and burst out laughing with the "Gili, Gili" part. It flowed so well between the 2. You made me happy! 😛😛
Here is my response to you. I am short on time as it is back-to-work eve and much to take care of for the upcoming week...!
Movie: Saraswatichandra
Response tumhein bheja hai post mein
Parody nahin, mera appreciation hai
Misti, "buddy" meri, tumhi bataana
Kya yeh tumhaare kaabil hai
Admiration chhipa meri lines mein itna
Jitne saagar mein moti
Aise hi parody likhte rehna
IF mein main khush rehti!



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