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Originally posted by: Charu.S

You said it absolutely right.

Unfortunately the team of writers are not proficient enough. They started off by portraying Salim as a nervous, confused child with low self esteem, a kid who seriously believes that his parents don't love him, don't understand him and hence found fault with him and punished him. They have shown him drinking alcohol and as an 'afeem' addict since he was eight years old.

Right from day one there have been loop holes in the etching of Salim's character. Drug addicts never behave rationally. The Creatives have not been successful in conveying to the audience that most of Salim's unacceptable erratic behavior stems from a systematic addiction to 'afeem'. It is sad that when EK set out to incorporate such a sensitive and serious issue such as drug addiction, in a historical, she took no steps to 'correctly' portray, the effects and repercussions of the drug on the character that is being shown as an addict.

The end result of such irresponsibility is utmost hatred towards the character of Salim, by the audience. The audience watches the serial for entertainment. The characters of Jodha and Akbar have imprinted themselves in the minds of millions across the world. To watch their son disrespecting them, will not be tolerated. No one is going to think logically that Salim is behaving this way due to psychological issues festering since childhood, amply nurtured by periodical intake of 'afeem' 😡 and a constant negative emotional manipulation by the stepmother 😡 .

In this day and age, EK could have most definitely hired writers who are knowledgeable about different aspects of drug addiction. Sensible, logical facts pertaining to drug ingestion and typical behavior portrayed by an addict, could have been combined with dramatic elements and incorporated into the storyline. This would have been more tolerable and acceptable.

Look at the manner in which the espionage system within the mahal is being shown. Isn't it hard to believe that a king as shrewd and alert as Akbar was unaware of his son's addiction to opium? Those days the kings were fully aware of all happenings within the mahal. They had an efficient network of 'informants' who kept them up to date of everything going on in the lives of their children. In Salim's case , he was the 'heir apparent' and very precious to both his parents. So I'm sure that all his movements and actions were closely monitored.

EK is fully responsible for the current dismal status of Jodha Akbar. I sincerely hope and pray that she never again ventures into making another historical. Ample mutilation of one is enough for a lifetime.

You are so right about everything you mentioned.

Honestly the constant disclaimer Zee tv airs before every episode may indicate EK and co intentions but for a foreign like me if not for Abhay who tries to bring out the real facts to inform viewers, I would have thought most of what is shown is true.

And I still wonder why as a native she and her team of so called writers will do such a thing to historical figures of their own country😕. While others do such historical shows to honor they are kinda disrespecting them rather.

Anyways we have not heard those in authority cautioning them so looks like it is okay in the name of fiction.

Originally posted by: Charu.S

You said it absolutely right.

Unfortunately the team of writers are not proficient enough. They started off by portraying Salim as a nervous, confused child with low self esteem, a kid who seriously believes that his parents don't love him, don't understand him and hence found fault with him and punished him. They have shown him drinking alcohol and as an 'afeem' addict since he was eight years old.

Right from day one there have been loop holes in the etching of Salim's character. Drug addicts never behave rationally. The Creatives have not been successful in conveying to the audience that most of Salim's unacceptable erratic behavior stems from a systematic addiction to 'afeem'. It is sad that when EK set out to incorporate such a sensitive and serious issue such as drug addiction, in a historical, she took no steps to 'correctly' portray, the effects and repercussions of the drug on the character that is being shown as an addict.

The end result of such irresponsibility is utmost hatred towards the character of Salim, by the audience. The audience watches the serial for entertainment. The characters of Jodha and Akbar have imprinted themselves in the minds of millions across the world. To watch their son disrespecting them, will not be tolerated. No one is going to think logically that Salim is behaving this way due to psychological issues festering since childhood, amply nurtured by periodical intake of 'afeem' 😡 and a constant negative emotional manipulation by the stepmother 😡 .

In this day and age, EK could have most definitely hired writers who are knowledgeable about different aspects of drug addiction. Sensible, logical facts pertaining to drug ingestion and typical behavior portrayed by an addict, could have been combined with dramatic elements and incorporated into the storyline. This would have been more tolerable and acceptable.

Look at the manner in which the espionage system within the mahal is being shown. Isn't it hard to believe that a king as shrewd and alert as Akbar was unaware of his son's addiction to opium? Those days the kings were fully aware of all happenings within the mahal. They had an efficient network of 'informants' who kept them up to date of everything going on in the lives of their children. In Salim's case , he was the 'heir apparent' and very precious to both his parents. So I'm sure that all his movements and actions were closely monitored.

EK is fully responsible for the current dismal status of Jodha Akbar. I sincerely hope and pray that she never again ventures into making another historical. Ample mutilation of one is enough for a lifetime.

Well written Charu...cant agree more yaar. U said it all.

@bold: It seems so like the current set of writers are not educated at all.

Originally posted by: elasingh

Smith writes" Badoni took part in holy battle of Haldighati..At one stage Badoni asked Asaf Khan that how could he distinguish between friendly and enemy rajputs and commander replied it does not matter if he can distinguish or not..Which ever side Rajputs are killed, it will be a gain for Islam."Badaoni followed the advice..

hmm, sad Ela..I have not reached there yet..Which Page are u on..

Originally posted by: Nanayaa623

You are so right about everything you mentioned.

Honestly the constant disclaimer Zee tv airs before every episode may indicate EK and co intentions but for a foreign like me if not for Abhay who tries to bring out the real facts to inform viewers, I would have thought most of what is shown is true.

And I still wonder why as a native she and her team of so called writers will do such a thing to historical figures of their own country😕. While others do such historical shows to honor they are kinda disrespecting them rather.

Anyways we have not heard those in authority cautioning them so looks like it is okay in the name of fiction.

Originally posted by: elasingh

Hi Rashmi...Yaar I will definetely try to answer if I know it...Potuguese could not proceed further due to various reasons...They lacked economic and political means to win a big country like India and remember in those days India was having strong rulers like mughals and Marathas were also on the rising...Purtagalis were fanatics unlike britishers who were not much in to conversions...and If I am right then later on portugal was merged with spain ..Britishers got India when mughal were a nobody and marathas were defeated by Abdali...there was no central power like mughals to fight with britishers..So it was very difficult for portugese to get India due to hostile political climate..They were more powerful in water but could not compete with mughals on land etc..

Originally posted by: Nanayaa623

Abhay thanks so much.

It is you am so so proud of! Honestly if not for your blog and give real historical facts someone like me would believe some the storyline Cv team shows daily in JA. After reading all the current post am amazed how much crap they are showing in the name of fiction.

Why no one checking on them ?😕

Please don't stop am learning so much.

Nanayaa,
Thank you very much for these kind words. No words to express myself at this. I will keep writing as long as possible and as long as i am able to stretch myself to post more. :)

About the show and checking on them, there is no authority to monitor them, more so because they have a disclaimer before this show.

Please continue to post. :)

Originally posted by: elasingh

Smith writes" Badoni took part in holy battle of Haldighati..At one stage Badoni asked Asaf Khan that how could he distinguish between friendly and enemy rajputs and commander replied it does not matter if he can distinguish or not..Which ever side Rajputs are killed, it will be a gain for Islam."Badaoni followed the advice..

Hmm...He was happy doing this...
Some times i get very angry and some time Badaouni makes me laugh hard by his writings.
Such an interesting character he is. :-P

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

@Abhay and Ela ,

I have so many questions in history and I will bother both of you time to time.😆

But not everything related to Mughals.

I had this question always in my mind that Portuguese had come before Britishers but they were only successful with Goa ,why? Didn't they try further ?

Rashmi,

Portuguese had many other places under their control other than Goa initially, like Hoogli(Bengal) which they lost in 1631 when Shah Jahan asked Qasim Khan to seize it from them.

Before this, Jahangir had given a crushing blow to Portuguese power in 1611 because they had captured the Ship of his mother Mariam Zamani. The British merchant who was present at the court of Jahangir writes that, MUZ complained to Jahangir and Jahangir immediately ordered for seizure of Portuguese towns in India.

Surat was besieged. The churches in Agra and Lahore were closed. Not only, he writes Jahangir made the Portuguese agent suffer a lot who was present at the Mughal court at Agra for this incident.

The problem of Portuguese was that they wanted to gain advances in Indian territories by harassing the Mughal officials. Because they were very powerful in the oceans.

But challenging Mughals on land was not their cup of tea. This MUZ ship capture incident is said to be a game changer in Indian politics. Before this incident it was the British who were lagging behind Portuguese ; but now Portuguese were routed badly and British gained prominence..

Portuguese again tried to challenge Mughal might, Shah Jahan;s general inflicted a crushing defeat on them...

Then, later their empire back in Portugal was suffering + the finance dried up...No one was funding Portuguese back from home, unlike British, Dutch and French, who started to attack Portuguese in India...

In 1661, Bombay was given to British.

Later, the Maratha chief inflicted a crushing defeat on Portuguese in 1739 and took away the island of Salsette and 1 more island, from them...

Finally they were left with Dadra and Nagar Haveli in 1779 ; and in 1840's they had Goa..

There are more incidents, I forgot them. 😕
Hope this helps. :)


PS : Their power was heavily broken by Jahangir when they captured MUZ's ship.. They should not have done that. :-P

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

hmm, sad Ela..I have not reached there yet..Which Page are u on..

Sindhu i am on page 150 now. .but remember i am rereading this book. .

Entering as traders

When the East India Company came to India in the early 1600s, India was ruled by the Mughals. They were a land-based culture (originating from Uzbekistan and later getting foothold in Afghanistan) and unlike some of the ancient Indian rulers, didn't appreciate the importance of the seas or a navy. Like the Dothrakis of Game of Thrones, they had immense superiority over land, but feared the oceans.

Thus, the benevolent Mughal Emperor Jahangir had no issues providing trading ports in Indian coast to the East India Company (world's first major corporation). He had little appreciation for why these strange Europeans were building stuff in deserted beaches. Within the next 150 years, European companies were all over the Indian coast, busy trading and accumulating profits, growing navies.